This is us..

[mi*vida*loca]

I guess because every thing about Kate it about her weight. She is a big whiner (at least to me). If she is that miserable, she should not be morbidly obese. Eat less, move more.
And why pair her with a fat boyfriend? I have known plenty of heavier women who have hot boyfriends. To me it implies she couldn't get anyone else.

I think she "only" met him because she went to the therapy session. She doesn't really go out or interact with people much, other than her brother. Insecurity, anxious, etc? Just like she didn't want to go to the party with her brother. Not much opportunity to meet anyone. And she didn't want to date him. She told him no but he persisted. He's hilarious also. I don't care how hot you are, if you can't make me laugh it won't work. Fat and funny is better than hot and boring.

 

[anniemae]

I guess because every thing about Kate it about her weight. She is a big whiner (at least to me). If she is that miserable, she should not be morbidly obese. Eat less, move more.
And why pair her with a fat boyfriend? I have known plenty of heavier women who have hot boyfriends. To me it implies she couldn't get anyone else.

I think it's about Kate being fat because it's always been about Kate being fat. That's why they showed her struggling with weight issues at 8 years old. It will always be about weight with her. Also telling a fat person to just "eat less" is like telling an alcoholic to "drink less" it's not that easy. Especially when the problem is deep rooted in childhood, like Kate's. I think the fat boyfriend is to show that he will have compassion for her and they can bond. It's kind of sweet that they "get" each other. I don't think she wold be capable of being with a hot skinny guy, she has too many self esteem and body image issues.

 

[sonnyjane]

I thought that too but ut as soon as I saw the necklace I knew it was his parents.

Isn't it Jack's coworker that left the creepy message?

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Isn't it Jack's coworker that left the creepy message?

He spoke to him in the bar and left the message. Same person.

 

[wenrob]

I guess because every thing about Kate it about her weight. She is a big whiner (at least to me). If she is that miserable, she should not be morbidly obese. Eat less, move more.
And why pair her with a fat boyfriend? I have known plenty of heavier women who have hot boyfriends. To me it implies she couldn't get anyone else.

Well listen, I'm a big fan of eat less, move more but if your head isn't in the game that message is never going to click. As a formally obese person I can tell you that obesity is about SO much more than food. I am fortunate that obesity has not been a life long issue for me but a handful of very emotionally bad years so it was much easier for me to get my crap together once I could wrap my head around what the issue was. My sister has been obese her entire life and there were many meals in our home like the one depicted in the breakfast scene with the kids. We've had many, many conversations about what drives her to eat and she can't figure it out. She's lost more than a 100lbs more than once but until she pinpoints that issue, she'll never keep it off. She's had many hot boyfriends btw but she has also dated (and married) a big guy. What all these guys had in common was they want her to stay fat. I see that in Toby as well to a certain degree.

Is it the character you don't like or is it the subject makes you uncomfortable?

 

[sonnyjane]

He spoke to him in the bar and left the message. Same person.

Ok. They did such heavy makeup at the end but that's what I thought.

 

[Twilight Sparkle]

I'm a super fan of Toby. What an incredible guy. I certainly don't see the show portraying Kate as settling for Toby because that's all she could get. I think she is falling for him because of who he is. He is quite the catch, in my opinion. What's inside matters way more to me than what's outside, and I hope it does to the writers of this show, as well. Only two shows in, but I'm rooting for those two already.

 

[Missy1961]

The only thing that bothers me about Kate/Toby relationship is that it seems like it's stolen from Mike & Molly. They met at a OA meeting, didn't they?

 

[Twilight Sparkle]

I think the juxtaposition of Kate feeling shamed for her weight and Kevin being seen as just a piece of pretty flesh is clever of the writers. To me, it points to looking beyond the outside covering and getting to the core of a person. I see it as a commentary on society's tendency to worship the superficial at the expense of discovering something truly worth cherishing.

 

[K and K's Mommy]

What I got from it was that he put so much in to making her happy, the house livable and his work so relentlessly that he exhausted himself not just mentally but physically. He pushed himself right over the edge and it's something he's prone to do. She was warning William that she would step in if it got to that point trying to help him.

I'm bothered by something silly: why did Randall not get a "K" name as well?

Don't laugh, but I have a K and a K. When I was pregnant with my third, I said we would not think about K names. Why? I didn't want to be a mom to KKK. When I watched the show, I actually did think those parents must think like me. Ha!! My third is my easiest and very self-confident, so I don't think he has been harmed by not having a K name. His dad and I don't either.

 

[wenrob]

Don't laugh, but I have a K and a K. When I was pregnant with my third, I said we would not think about K names. Why? I didn't want to be a mom to KKK. When I watched the show, I actually did think those parents must think like me. Ha!! My third is my easiest and very self-confident, so I don't think he has been harmed by not having a K name. His dad and I don't either.

Well I'm thinking in the sense of "triplets" I guess. I have boy/girl twins (with non matchy names) and my girl is ever the attention seeker. I go above and beyond to make things equal but I can always see her little mind working to find the unfairness in a situation. I'm not sure why but it seems to be just how she's wired. So with Randall he's adopted, a different race, is considered the little brother and doesn't have a matchy name like his sibs. I can see in his head feeling like as much as mom and dad says they're all the same, he feels he's not. Does that make sense? There's probably not anything to it at all but me overthinking.

 

[pearlieq]

If she is that miserable, she should not be morbidly obese. Eat less, move more.

Yes, that's exactly how it works.

Also, a fat boyfriend and a hot boyfriend are not mutually exclusive. And, for many people, "hot" is not really the ultimate of what you're looking for in a partner. Many people prioritize smart, funny, kind, caring...all things that Toby is.

Finally, fat people aren't the dregs of the dating world that people only couple up with because they can't get anyone else.

 

[pearlieq]

The only thing that bothers me about Kate/Toby relationship is that it seems like it's stolen from Mike & Molly. They met at a OA meeting, didn't they?

I've thought that too! It's very reminiscent of Mike & Molly, but fortunately I enjoyed their story and I don't mind seeing another version of it.

 

[Clifton Tesh]

Regarding the bolded... I don't like that Randall was soooooo mad at William, at first. In today's (2016) world.. with news of babies being thrown in dumpsters and left in toilets, etc.. I'd be thankful that my "father" left me at a fire station.

I DO love this show, though! Both episodes left me with drop-jaw! lol

I can absolutely understand Randalls anger at William. He probably suffered years of dealing with abandonment and identity issues. As much as his family loves him, it had to be unbelievably difficult growing up in a white family in the 70's. He probably always felt a sense of being incomplete, wondering where he came from, who he looked like, what his birthparents were like etc. While I'm sure he felt grateful to have wound up in a great family and growing up loved, he must have had years of built up anger that released upon seeing William.

My mother left me in a grocery store when I was 4. I didn't meet my mother for the first time (that I remembered) until I was 23. There's no way to explain how that feels, and I personally feel that the actor portraying Randall did a wonderful job at showing that mix of emotions.

I was mad, happy, sad, angry, you name it...All at the exact same time.

If you've never been abandoned by a parent, consider yourself lucky.

 

[low-key]

I loved the first episode and thought it might be a good program but the big surprises were just the first one, then they did it again to me in episode 2, yes Im hooked

 

[mrsheppo]

I haven't really watched any series television in a long time, but this one was recommended by my DD and I love it. I even got my DH to watch it with me

 

[FLSarah]

This isn't typically the type of show I watch, but I love it. It's the perfect mix of emotional and comedy. The relationships aren't perfect, but you can feel the love they have for each other.

 

[lisaviolet]

Also, a fat boyfriend and a hot boyfriend are not mutually exclusive.

Exactly.

He is not what I think of as attractive. The look I like I mean and that spot of hair needs to go and go now (insert wink). But I do find him sexy. But then again Jeff Van Gundy is my dream man.

 

[lisaviolet]

My mother left me in a grocery store when I was 4. I didn't meet my mother for the first time (that I remembered) until I was 23. There's no way to explain how that feels, and I personally feel that the actor portraying Randall did a wonderful job at showing that mix of emotions.

I was mad, happy, sad, angry, you name it...All at the exact same time.

If you've never been abandoned by a parent, consider yourself lucky.

Sighing for you.

 

[K and K's Mommy]

Well I'm thinking in the sense of "triplets" I guess. I have boy/girl twins (with non matchy names) and my girl is ever the attention seeker. I go above and beyond to make things equal but I can always see her little mind working to find the unfairness in a situation. I'm not sure why but it seems to be just how she's wired. So with Randall he's adopted, a different race, is considered the little brother and doesn't have a matchy name like his sibs. I can see in his head feeling like as much as mom and dad says they're all the same, he feels he's not. Does that make sense? There's probably not anything to it at all but me overthinking.

I don't think you are overthinking. We had more than one person ask us why we weren't going with a K name. Sometimes I got a laugh, sometimes I got "good thought," and other times I got "you are overthinking this." I also did not intentionally name my second with a K name. It was just the name I liked best.