They know where you are.......

[shrubber]

How is this different from cops doing a stake out? They don't need a warrent or your permsion/knowledge to follow you around and check on your whereabouts, so why is this any different than that?

Seriously, this is right up there with the "theory" that the goverment can track your car and listen to your converstaions via OnStar because the goverment now "owns" GM.

There is that whole 4th admendment thing you know.

 

[shrubber]

Seriously, I have no problem with this. As long as I am not doing anything wrong, I don't care who knows where I am.

I've often thought how great it would be to have everyone chipped so that they can be located by the authorities. ... Again, if you aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing, why would anyone care where you are?

This is honestly one of the scariest things I've read on these boards.

 

[hiwaygal]

meh, I don't see the big deal. The only reason any government agency would have for looking up anyone's specific location would be if there were a REASONABLE justification (i.e. danger to the person or illegal activity).

In that case, it would kinda fall within the guidelines of the fourth ammendment which protects us from UNREASONABLE search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[Feralpeg]

This is honestly one of the scariest things I've read on these boards.

Why? Why would you care if the authorities or your family could always find you? Are you planning on doing something your shouldn't or going somewhere you shouldn't? Even if everyone was chipped, only a small minority would ever be tracked. Most people wouldn't need to be located, but it would be great to have it in place if they got in trouble.

It is scary to me that you are so paranoid about the idea of someone knowing where you are.

 

[scrapquitler]

That's not how 'Location on' works.
Having that turned on allows you to access features like 'navigator' and other apps.
Phone calls are traced to location either way

oh...I misunderstood it then. Okay, I'm not happy that I can be tracked. I thought I was eliminating the tracking with the E911 only.

 

[shrubber]

Why? Why would you care if the authorities or your family could always find you? Are you planning on doing something your shouldn't or going somewhere you shouldn't? Even if everyone was chipped, only a small minority would ever be tracked. Most people wouldn't need to be located, but it would be great to have it in place if they got in trouble.

It is scary to me that you are so paranoid about the idea of someone knowing where you are.

I find your concept of freedom in this context, to be frank, frightning.

 

[phorsenuf]

I find your concept of freedom in this context, to be frank, frightning.

And I find your concept of an FYI in this context to cover up an obvious political post, to be quite frank, frightning.

 

[shrubber]

And I find your concept of an FYI in this context to cover up an obvious political post, to be quite frank, frightning.

Politics haven't entered into the conversation, well, up until your post

 

[shrubber]

Would you mind a law banning curtains in residential windows? If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to hide.

 

[AshleyW]

Would you mind a law banning curtains in residential windows? If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to hide.

There's a big difference between someone seeing you naked and the government having the ability (especially if they don't exercise that ability) to track your cell phone.

 

[bookgirl]

I say if you've got something to hide, oh course you don't want to be tracked. I'd prefer that my cell phone be trackable. That way you can find me when I go missing. If the alien/boggeymonster/cia become a problem THEN I'll toss the cell phone, until then I've got nothing to hide.


I'm more worried that homeland security can go in and access what library books I have checked out than that they may figure out that I drive to work with the occasionally drive through when I can no longer resist the siren call of a Sonic Coke.

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

I am kind of shocked by all the answers. I guess if you wanna use the reason 'if you have nothing to hide, why do you care?'. That is a pretty tough blanket answer to fight against. But it just reminds me of books like 1984 where we slowly give up our freedoms and look where that gets us. Yes, ok, I know that is just a book and not real life. But it isn't so far fetched.

What if I want to go to some sort of political rally that the governing body doesn't really agree with. Well, if they can track us all, they can figure out each and every person who was there.

What happens if a murder happened out in the country, and the police discover that my cell phone was in that area at the time of death (lets say the real killer did not have a cell phone on them). Am I going to be arrested on the fact that my cell was the only one that happened to be in that area at that time? Is that evidence going to hold up in court?

I don't care if I am not doing anything wrong, why in the world should the government be allowed to know where I am at all times?

 

[shrubber]

There's a big difference between someone seeing you naked and the government having the ability (especially if they don't exercise that ability) to track your cell phone.

Kinda like the new body scanners huh?

 

[AshleyW]

Kinda like the new body scanners huh?

Yep. Which is exactly why you have the option not to fly, if you don't like it.

 

[Feralpeg]

I am kind of shocked by all the answers. I guess if you wanna use the reason 'if you have nothing to hide, why do you care?'. That is a pretty tough blanket answer to fight against. But it just reminds me of books like 1984 where we slowly give up our freedoms and look where that gets us. Yes, ok, I know that is just a book and not real life. But it isn't so far fetched.

What if I want to go to some sort of political rally that the governing body doesn't really agree with. Well, if they can track us all, they can figure out each and every person who was there.

What happens if a murder happened out in the country, and the police discover that my cell phone was in that area at the time of death (lets say the real killer did not have a cell phone on them). Am I going to be arrested on the fact that my cell was the only one that happened to be in that area at that time? Is that evidence going to hold up in court?

I don't care if I am not doing anything wrong, why in the world should the government be allowed to know where I am at all times?

I'm a big fan of 1984 and Brave New World, but the idea of being tracked, to me, has more positives than negatives. I guess your scenario could happen, but the chance of my child being abducted or my elderly relatives going missing seems much more likely. I guess I'm just not a paranoid person.

 

[Feralpeg]

I find your concept of freedom in this context, to be frank, frightning.

But, why? You've not given any specifics. We get the idea that you don't like the concept of cell phone tracking. Why?

 

[luvmy3]

Yep. Which is exactly why you have the option not to fly, if you don't like it.

Thats right and everyone has the option to not use a cellphone (although there will be many that argue that isn't true).

I don't have a problem with this, if they start dictating where I can and can't go, thats another story.

 

[shrubber]

But, why? You've not given any specifics. We get the idea that you don't like the concept of cell phone tracking. Why?

Well Feral,
It was this comment that you made

Seriously, I have no problem with this. As long as I am not doing anything wrong, I don't care who knows where I am.

I've often thought how great it would be to have everyone chipped so that they can be located by the authorities

I am shocked and somewhat saddened by that.

 

[AshleyW]

Well Feral,
It was this comment that you made

Seriously, I have no problem with this. As long as I am not doing anything wrong, I don't care who knows where I am.

I've often thought how great it would be to have everyone chipped so that they can be located by the authorities

I am shocked and somewhat saddened by that.

You didn't answer her question.

She asked why you, personally, had a problem with cell phone tracking. You haven't given any reasons (outside of how shocked you are at other peoples' preferences) that you think it's wrong.

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

I'm a big fan of 1984 and Brave New World, but the idea of being tracked, to me, has more positives than negatives. I guess your scenario could happen, but the chance of my child being abducted or my elderly relatives going missing seems much more likely. I guess I'm just not a paranoid person.

I dunno, I just try to think things out in both directions. I agree that it would be very good to have tracking on kids if something were to happen to them. But who has access to this tracking information? If the kid's parents were divorced and one parent had custody, is there a way the other parent could get to that information and grab the kid? The access to the information scares me. I am from Columbus, Ohio, and a few years ago we had a government employee's laptop stolen, the thief got access to all kinds of privileged information.

How about elderly people who do not want a tracking device? Are we going to draw the line at forcing elderly people to get a tracker? What if the children of the elderly adult firmly believe that the elderly person needs a tracker, but that person is adamantly against getting one. Who gets the choice in this area?

I just think on the surface it sounds like a good idea, but there are just too many bad scenarios that I can think of.

Not to mention the snowball affect like in those old sci fi books. We start chipping people who want to be chipped. Ten years from then, does it become mandatory for all children under 18 to be chipped? Ten years from then, is it now mandatory for all people to be chipped? And so on.