The walking dead amc #2

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I'm just saying if people consistently don't enjoy a show, they may as well stop watching. If the ratings drop the show would take notice.

Our family is barely hanging on, this season has been so bad. If 9 is just as bad early on, we're out for sure.

It's just terrible, in that there's no real excuse... even if they just lost all their creative juices, they could fall back on the books and have a better show than Gimple has now created. I so WANT it to get better again... ...

 

[anniemae]

Who was Gavin? Why don't I remember him? Why was he important to Morgan?

 

[declansdad]

Our family is barely hanging on, this season has been so bad. If 9 is just as bad early on, we're out for sure.

It's just terrible, in that there's no real excuse... even if they just lost all their creative juices, they could fall back on the books and have a better show than Gimple has now created. I so WANT it to get better again... ...

I still enjoy the show so I will keep watching. Sure there are things that aren't really working but that can be said for many shows that make it through multiple seasons. I'm also the type of viewer that doesn't try to analyze everything that happens on a show, especially one that has a premise such as this one.

 

[SouthFayetteFan]

Who was Gavin? Why don't I remember him? Why was he important to Morgan?

The guy that Henry (I think that’s the little idiot kids name) stabbed with his staff. It happened like 5 hours ago (only it’s been 12 episodes since it happened hahahaha)

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Who was Gavin? Why don't I remember him? Why was he important to Morgan?

Gavin was Negan's lieutenant who sort of oversaw the Kingdom operation -- would go collect their offerings, etc. So Morgan having spent time there knows Gavin from that. One of Gavin's guys (who was in Maggie's Savior Pen) killed Benjamin, a kid who Morgan was training in the ways of the Cheeseman.

The little kid (Henry) who opened up the pen to kill whoever killed his brother: that's Benjamin's little brother. Henry killed Gavin an episode or two ago, after Morgan hesitated to kill Gavin himself.

I think Morgan is being "haunted" by the fact that the kid is being corrupted by this world, including by Morgan's now-example of a killer. Gavin didn't seem sadistic like Simon or Negan, but rather more like someone who was playing a role he felt he needed to play to survive in this world. Perhaps he was theoretically "savable" in the eyes of Morgan (and these writers) -- and yet he's dead at the hands of this "innocent" child. I think that's the "significance" we're meant to draw from it all.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I still enjoy the show so I will keep watching. Sure there are things that aren't really working but that can be said for many shows that make it through multiple seasons. I'm also the type of viewer that doesn't try to analyze everything that happens on a show, especially one that has a premise such as this one.

I think that a show with a premise such as this one has MORE of a responsibility to follow its own internal rules to hold together at all! Suspension of disbelief about a particular premise (zombies!) is necessary -- but suspension of any common sense whatsoever just causes the thing to unravel. When smart characters start acting stupid to serve a ludicrous plot device or end mid-season in a cliffhanger, or rules just start to change on us (like how someone can be infected), it starts to fall apart.

Speaking only for myself, I don't put an ounce of effort into "analyzing" the show. These are all things that just stick out like sore thumbs to me -- doesn't take any analysis.

 

[nkereina]

Does anyone remember who he was? It seems they introduce a character or story line then they don't revisit it until months later and the viewer forgets the details of the story.

May have been cleared up in PPs, but Gavin was the Savior that Morgan and Carol came upon and then that kid (his name escapes me) stabbed him through the neck from behind to kill him. Maybe 2 or 3 episodes ago now. But I have no idea what ghost Gavin was blabbing about to Morgan. Talking crazy.

Okay, but my point is, they told us in season one that everyone is infected with the virus already, so given that, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they didn't have someone actively watching Tobin, who appeared to have a life-threatening wound. Shane was stabbed to death and turned in minutes. It just seems like poor judgement not to keep watch over the people with mortal wounds, which just seems out of character to me and more like a plot device.

I didn't get the impression that any of the injured were knocking on death's door. Tobin was lucid and talking to Carol. Everyone in the infirmary seemed to have relatively minor injuries, and those in the house had even fewer injuries since they weren't secluded in the infirmary. It was the tainted weapons that caused infection which caused fevers, ultimately killing them internally which obviously no one saw coming. It also seems as if the doctor maybe just stepped out, since she was on her way back when she was eaten.

Our heroes have MANY times gotten walker guts splattered all over themselves, or have smeared it deliberately over themselves -- they have most certainly had fresh wounds some of those times. That kills exactly ZERO of them over 8.5 seasons. But this night, with the walker-guts-tainted-weapons we kill -- VERY QUICKLY -- how many people???? Find me a blood-bourne virus that works that way... through a fresh wound or cut SMEARED blood -- SAFE, vs. a puncture wound -- DEAD. Please. I. HATE. THIS.

THIS! I could not reconcile this. Is it just because the tainted bullets and knives actually broke flesh, allowing the infection to get in their bodies? Just seems crazy that it's never been an issue before.

 

[TheFloatingBear]

I still enjoy the show so I will keep watching. Sure there are things that aren't really working but that can be said for many shows that make it through multiple seasons. I'm also the type of viewer that doesn't try to analyze everything that happens on a show, especially one that has a premise such as this one.

I general don't try to over-analyze, and I have no problem suspending disbelief - science fiction and fantasy are among my favorite genres. Things do not need to all add up for me, generally speaking! But for me, I struggle more when the characters don't stay (reasonably) true to themselves - like the example I used with Maggie - you don't get to be the Widow, leader of the Hilltop, making rookie mistakes like that and it seemed out of character. It especially bothers me when I feel it's to move the plot forward at the expense of the character. In this case I guess I'm chalking it up to her conflict about her desire for revenge overshadowing her commitment to take care of the Hilltop people causing her to make errors in judgement?

In any case, I've been watching from the beginning but I've noticed that I've changed my viewing behavior. Usually, I watch on Sunday nights but I may be interrupted dealing with kids, or I may have to change the channel briefly because I don't love the gore. I'm less a gore person and more into the premise of how do societal norms break down in a crisis. Anyway, typically, I re-watch the show more carefully later in the week, but lately I find I don't make an effort to re-watch. But I'm hanging in there for now.

 

[TheFloatingBear]

I think that a show with a premise such as this one has MORE of a responsibility to follow its own internal rules to hold together at all! Suspension of disbelief about a particular premise (zombies!) is necessary -- but suspension of any common sense whatsoever just causes the thing to unravel. When smart characters start acting stupid to serve a ludicrous plot device or end mid-season in a cliffhanger, or rules just start to change on us (like how someone can be infected), it starts to fall apart.

Speaking only for myself, I don't put an ounce of effort into "analyzing" the show. These are all things that just stick out like sore thumbs to me -- doesn't take any analysis.

Yes, the stuff you mentioned in your first post about last night's episode really stood out! I agree about having some level of internal integrity...

 

[TheFloatingBear]

I didn't get the impression that any of the injured were knocking on death's door. Tobin was lucid and talking to Carol. Everyone in the infirmary seemed to have relatively minor injuries, and those in the house had even fewer injuries since they weren't secluded in the infirmary. It was the tainted weapons that caused infection which caused fevers, ultimately killing them internally which obviously no one saw coming. It also seems as if the doctor maybe just stepped out, since she was on her way back when she was eaten.

I understand about the tainted weapons and I'm with you on the people sleeping in the mansion, they didn't look like they had severe injuries. But Tobin was stabbed in the abdomen - I would say fairly serious - could take a turn for the worse, but maybe I'm just overly cautious, lol!

 

[anniemae]

Gavin was Negan's lieutenant who sort of oversaw the Kingdom operation -- would go collect their offerings, etc. So Morgan having spent time there knows Gavin from that. One of Gavin's guys (who was in Maggie's Savior Pen) killed Benjamin, a kid who Morgan was training in the ways of the Cheeseman.

The little kid (Henry) who opened up the pen to kill whoever killed his brother: that's Benjamin's little brother. Henry killed Gavin an episode or two ago, after Morgan hesitated to kill Gavin himself.

I think Morgan is being "haunted" by the fact that the kid is being corrupted by this world, including by Morgan's now-example of a killer. Gavin didn't seem sadistic like Simon or Negan, but rather more like someone who was playing a role he felt he needed to play to survive in this world. Perhaps he was theoretically "savable" in the eyes of Morgan (and these writers) -- and yet he's dead at the hands of this "innocent" child. I think that's the "significance" we're meant to draw from it all.

Now I remember him, he used to go and collect the food from the Kingdom. He was not as evil as some of the saviors. I think, like a pp said, it's better to binge watch this show so you remember everything.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

So, a few things that bugged me...

In the category of just stupid:

• Everyone sleeping so soundly, that when a walker falls down the stairs into a room FULL of sleeping people, not one wakes up.

AND A CRYING BABY!!

Me, watching that scene:

"No one hears that baby? .....Seriously, an entire house full of people can sleep through a baby crying in the middle of the night? .....No one hears those loud*** walkers? Not ONE person can hear the crying baby OR the heavy-breathing walkers?!" **walker tumbles down the stairs and lands at the bottom playing a set of drums while everyone continues to sleep soundly** "OH, COME ON!!!"

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Something just popped in my head re: the issue of whether a puncture wound with walker guts is deadly but smearing guts over an open cut isn't...

Back in the prison, wasn't Rick hacking away at walkers before using the same weapon to amputate Herschel's leg? If that's right, why didn't Herschel die?

I know this is no Sixth Sense, but I do wonder if someone went back through the series if this new plot device would hold water at all.

Or would they use the "get out of stupid free card" that SOME people must just be immune, and so then Herschel must have been?

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

AND A CRYING BABY!!

Me, watching that scene:

"No one hears that baby? .....Seriously, an entire house full of people can sleep through a baby crying in the middle of the night? .....No one hears those loud *** walkers? Not ONE person can hear the crying baby OR the heavy-breathing walkers?! ***walker tumbles down the stairs and lands at the bottom playing a set of drums while everyone continues to sleep soundly*** OH, COME ON!!!

 

[DisneyLover1217]

I still enjoy the show, truthfully not as much as I once did. I do think this war with Negan will end this season and season 9 will be a time jump. I think that's why they had that Hillary Clinton look a like with her book of knowledge saying she will be back to see how they are doing to set up a time jump. It may be interesting to see them actually in a place in time where they have built windmills and aqueduct systems, basically learning to survive in their new environment. They touched a little on trying to grow crops like at the prison and the Kingdom, but they really have not committed to doing that.

There are many ways the show can go if they do a time jump which at this point I think a time jump may be necessary to try to get this show back on track. There are some suggestions that maybe the season should only be 8/10 episodes as opposed to 16, it may make the storyline more exciting that way with less filler.

BUT OMG did anyone see the coming attractions for next week. I actually FF'd that stupid show AMC tried to trick us into watching and saw the preview for next week. I actually feel a little bad for Negan....just a little lol.

 

[anniemae]

BUT OMG did anyone see the coming attractions for next week. I actually FF'd that stupid show AMC tried to trick us into watching and saw the preview for next week. I actually feel a little bad for Negan....just a little lol.

I missed the previews. I was too mad that AMC tricked me. I thought it was a two hour show. When the other show stared up, I thought "hmmmm, they must be showing a quick five or ten minute preview or something." Nope. All tricks.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

Here is the preview for next week for those of you who missed it. There is an article first, so just scroll a little to see the video. https://fansided.com/2018/03/25/the-walking-dead-season-8-episode-14-preview-video/

 

[LSUmiss]

We beary saw Morgan yet we all recalled bim... Just saying just because you don't remember doesn't mean that no one does.

He was significant. He saved Rick in the beginning & they developed his character with his son & his wife turning. Then we see him again briefly & his son is dead b/c he didn’t have the heart to kill his wife as a walker. That’s memorable development.

 

[LSUmiss]

Ok, I didn't catch everything last night and as I've said, my memory is not great so correct my misunderstanding...BUT...help me understand why they left the injured unguarded. Didn't we already know that someone turns regardless of cause of death? Didn't we learn that in season one at the CDC, when Rick was told that but didn't tell anyone, and when Shane turned after being killed by Rick? I thought that was kind of the point - that they're all "The Walking Dead?" Or did these people last night not die but just turn from wounds? Or the wounds were more deadly because of the contamination of the weapons? I'm confused? I feel like I missed something along the way?

I agree. And why/how did they automatically understand that what happened was b/c Negan’s ppl had infected them with their weapons?? The logical assumption would/should be that some of their injuries were significant enough that they died & bit others.

 

[LSUmiss]

I didn't stick around for the previews of the next episode. Is TWD on this Sunday (Easter)? Or will it be in two weeks?

They don’t usually take any weeks off once the season starts back up.