The walking dead amc #2

Best line ever: "I saved you this turnip."

I vaguely remembered Tobin. It happened so long ago. They have so many characters and so many story lines it's difficult to keep them all straight. I totally forgot who the ghost person was that Morgan was talking to. Does anyone remember who he was? It seems they introduce a character or story line then they don't revisit it until months later and the viewer forgets the details of the story.
 
Ok, I didn't catch everything last night and as I've said, my memory is not great so correct my misunderstanding...BUT...help me understand why they left the injured unguarded. Didn't we already know that someone turns regardless of cause of death? Didn't we learn that in season one at the CDC, when Rick was told that but didn't tell anyone, and when Shane turned after being killed by Rick? I thought that was kind of the point - that they're all "The Walking Dead?" Or did these people last night not die but just turn from wounds? Or the wounds were more deadly because of the contamination of the weapons? I'm confused? :confused3 I feel like I missed something along the way?
 
Sorry I agree with the pp. I did vaguely remember the guy, but you shouldn’t haven’t to study the show to remember characters. The story line was way under developed.
I agree and that's been a major issue with TWD; they introduce so many characters and barely develop them until literally 2 minutes before they kill them off. It's almost like an after thought with these writers; "ok, we need a death to get an emotional response from the audience....let's get that guy Carol slept with that one time and give him more than 3 minutes of screen time. Yeah, that will connect him to people!"

We beary saw Morgan yet we all recalled bim... Just saying just because you don't remember doesn't mean that no one does.

IMO, Morgan's character is completely different. From the very first time Morgan and his son were shown the writers gave a lot of backstory and developed his character. He is one who people remember because he's more than just a "background" character.
Ok, I didn't catch everything last night and as I've said, my memory is not great so correct my misunderstanding...BUT...help me understand why they left the injured unguarded. Didn't we already know that someone turns regardless of cause of death? Didn't we learn that in season one at the CDC, when Rick was told that but didn't tell anyone, and when Shane turned after being killed by Rick? I thought that was kind of the point - that they're all "The Walking Dead?" Or did these people last night not die but just turn from wounds? Or the wounds were more deadly because of the contamination of the weapons? I'm confused? :confused3 I feel like I missed something along the way?
They were infected through contaminated wounds from tainted weapons. Just like if they were bitten, the virus entered their bloodstream. That's what killed them and made them turn.
 
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I agree and that's been a major issue with TWD; they introduce so many characters and barely develop them until literally 2 minutes before they kill them off. It's almost like an after thought with these writers; "ok, we need a death to get an emotional response from the audience....let's that that guy Carol slept with that one time and give him more than 3 minutes of screen time. Yeah, that will connect him to people!"



IMO, Morgan's character is completely different. From the very first time Morgan and his son were shown the writers gave a lot of backstory and developed his character. He is one who people remember because he's more than just a "background" character.

They were infected through contaminated wounds from tainted weapons. Just like if they were bitten, the virus entered their bloodstream. That's what killed them and made them turn.

Okay, but my point is, they told us in season one that everyone is infected with the virus already, so given that, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they didn't have someone actively watching Tobin, who appeared to have a life-threatening wound. Shane was stabbed to death and turned in minutes. It just seems like poor judgement not to keep watch over the people with mortal wounds, which just seems out of character to me and more like a plot device.
 

So Tara got shot with arrow. Was it Dwight or that other jerk who shot her? She's thinking she's going to turn but maybe Dwight shot her with normal clean arrow??? Dang, was hoping we'd be rid of her.

And though I remembered Tobin, still this show is ridiculous with all it's characters and slow story. It feels so disjointed and is losing my attention. I would quit watching but I want to see what happens with the new showrunner next season. See if she's better than Gimple.

I am watching the Terror. Looks to be a way better show than TWD. So maybe they need to trick us the other way, by having the Terror listed as two hours so folks have to watch TWD. And Talking Dead, I have long ago stopped watching that crap.
 
So, a few things that bugged me...

In the category of just stupid:
  • We just had a major battle with the saviors, so let's ALL -- ALL -- just hit the hay with the mansion door wide open
  • No guards for the prisoners
  • No one guarding those injured -- they haven't learned that?
  • Everyone sleeping so soundly, that when a walker falls down the stairs into a room FULL of sleeping people, not one wakes up
  • Multiple people getting killed like in a silent film: bitten from behind in the neck, shoulder and not a PEEP out of them
  • The kid opens the wire gate to kill the guy who killed his brother... because he couldn't shoot them THROUGH said gate

I call BS:
  • Our heroes have MANY times gotten walker guts splattered all over themselves, or have smeared it deliberately over themselves -- they have most certainly had fresh wounds some of those times. That kills exactly ZERO of them over 8.5 seasons. But this night, with the walker-guts-tainted-weapons we kill -- VERY QUICKLY -- how many people???? Find me a blood-bourne virus that works that way... through a fresh wound or cut SMEARED blood -- SAFE, vs. a puncture wound -- DEAD. Please. I. HATE. THIS.
  • If one more character TELLS me that Maggie is a "good leader" when I don't get leadership coming from her AT ALL, I think I'm going to lose it.
  • Maggie shoots a walker right in the head at... what distance?? But they turn into Stormtroopers with machine guns almost every time they're faced with Negan's people.

I just don't care:
  • About Morgan having his third (??) nervous breakdown and seeing Gavin. I get it: we need a plot device for him to take off like The Littlest Hobo and move over the FTWD. Go already.
  • Tara. Another character who turns into a loving pacifist right before they're about to die. Go away.

Comical lines that shouldn't have been comical:
  • "Maggie." "Maggie Rhee". "The WIDOW." *insert eye rolls here*... "Here we go..." oy
  • You're such a great leader.
  • "I saved you this turnip." Wow.
  • I know I'm forgetting some...

So... yeah. Waiting for season 9 and hoping it's better post-Gimple-showrunner, but like killing Carl, this now-you-can-get-infected-THIS-way thing is another one they can't just undo that I think makes the show worse. Ugh.
 
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So Tara got shot with arrow. Was it Dwight or that other jerk who shot her? She's thinking she's going to turn but maybe Dwight shot her with normal clean arrow??? Dang, was hoping we'd be rid of her.
I thought this as well -- as a way to save her.
 
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So, a few things that bugged me...

In the category of just stupid:
  • We just had a major battle with the saviors, so let's ALL -- ALL -- just hit the hay with the mansion door wide open
  • No guards for the prisoners
  • No one guarding those injured -- they haven't learned that?
  • Everyone sleeping so soundly, that when a walker falls down the stairs into a room FULL of sleeping people, not one wakes up
  • Multiple people getting killed like in a silent film: bitten from behind in the neck, shoulder and not a PEEP out of them
  • The kid opens the wire gate to kill the guy who killed his brother... because he couldn't shoot them THROUGH said fence

I call BS:
  • Our heroes have MANY times gotten walker guts splattered all over themselves, or have smeared it deliberately over themselves -- they have most certainly had fresh wounds some of those times. That kills exactly ZERO of them over 8.5 seasons. But this night, with the walk-guts-tainted-weapons we kill -- VERY QUICKLY -- how many people???? Find me a blood-bourne virus that works that way... though a fresh wound or cut SMEARED blood, vs. a puncture wound. Please. I. HATE. THIS.
  • If one more character TELL me that Maggie is a "good leader" when I don't get leadership coming from her AT ALL, I think I'm going to lose it.

I just don't care:
  • About Morgan having his third (??) nervous breakdown and seeing Gavin. I get it: we need a plot device for him to take off like The Littlest Hobo and move over the FTWD. Go already.
  • Tara. Another character who turns into a loving pacifist right before they're about to die. Go away.

Comical lines that shouldn't have been comical:
  • "Maggie." "Maggie Rhee". "The WIDOW." *insert eye rolls here*
  • You're such a great leader.
  • "I saved you this turnip." Wow.
  • I know I'm forgetting some...

So... yeah. Waiting for season 9 and hoping it's better post-Gimple-showrunner, but like killing Carl, this now-you-can-get-infected-THIS-way thing is another one they can't just undo that I think makes the show worse. Ugh.

I forgot about the walker falling down the stairs - it was cartoonishly loud! :rotfl2: That battle really wore them out!

ETA: and yes, I would have been watching Tobin like a hawk!
 
Okay, but my point is, they told us in season one that everyone is infected with the virus already, so given that, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they didn't have someone actively watching Tobin, who appeared to have a life-threatening wound. Shane was stabbed to death and turned in minutes. It just seems like poor judgement not to keep watch over the people with mortal wounds, which just seems out of character to me and more like a plot device.
Right, I agree that they should keep watch over the critically wounded and that they conveniently use the zombie turning thing when it suits them. They make the characters do stupid things, like the characters forgot that if someone one dies he/she will turn. I was addressing how the people turned (the unexpected lesser-wounded) and why they would be unguarded. But you're right that the mortally wounded should've been at least restrained.

These people survived because they've learned and adapted to the zombie infested world. EXCEPT when the show runners need a shock moment, they make the characters as ignorant as the very first day the virus broke out. That is frustrating as a fan, to see them make stupid decisions.
 
Right, I agree that they should keep watch over the critically wounded and that they conveniently use the zombie turning thing when it suits them. They make the characters do stupid things, like the characters forgot that if someone one dies he/she will turn. I was addressing how the people turned (the unexpected lesser-wounded) and why they would be unguarded. But you're right that the mortally wounded should've been at least restrained.

These people survived because they've learned and adapted to the zombie infested world. EXCEPT when the show runners need a shock moment, they make the characters as ignorant as the very first day the virus broke out. That is frustrating as a fan, to see them make stupid decisions.

Agree! I can (somewhat) buy that the tainted weapons could accelerate the process (although even that is not completely in line with show history but one can go with the idea that the weapons caused deep wounds and such), but yes, it bugs me when characters don't do basic security measures in the zombie apocalypse! They have all attended the Basic Zombie Containment in-service at this point!
 
Just saw this comment on FB... :rotfl2: :rotfl:

"Oh Jesus. So Tara wants to kill Dwight but Daryl doesn't. Next episode Daryl wants to kill Dwight and Tara doesn't. Do writers just put names in a hat? We need someone to want to kill Dwight this episode...who did we get?"
 
I thought the show was part awesome and part stupid and the part stupid won out.

I do remember Tobin and remember he had a thing with Carol. A friend of mine just pointed out she thinks this show is better binge watched as opposed to watching once a week since the time line is dragging. That if we watched them back to back it may make more sense and we would remember more of the smaller details and we may have a better sense of the timeline. I'm thinking each episode may be just a day or so long. So a 16 episode season just passes 16 days in the timeline.

I did enjoy the initial battle. I like how they had a plan to trap the Saviors into going into the open field, turn the lights on them and start shooting, then making them run to the gates just to encounter rick and company.

I don't believe Tara will turn. Dwight is the one who shot her basically to save her from Simon wielding the axe at her. I'm sure Dwight's arrows were not tainted. I just don't understand why Dwight just didn't shoot Simon. I guess he had to get a head shot to make sure he died instantly, maybe he didn't want to risk hitting him in the arm or something and showing his hand.

I can maybe give them a pass on not watching the wounded as they were probably deemed not life threatening. Most of them were not going to die just because they were shot by an arrow. Granted Tobin was stabbed but I'm assuming he was stable and they felt he was fine. If you think about it there should always be someone awake as anyone at any time can die in their sleep from a heart attack, stroke, etc.

Now onto the stupid. Why weren't the prisoners guarded, makes no sense. Isn't there always someone on the wall at least??? That whole exchange with Henry was just so damn stupid, but I guess they needed a way to let the prisoners escape and there you have it. I also think you have that one "good" savior who stayed behind. I think he will be a love interest for Maggie, but then again who knows.

I still feel they haven't deviated with the smearing the guts on them. The first time Rick and Glenn did it they said be careful not to get it in your eyes or mouth and asked about open wounds. The second time we see them do it at Alexandria they soaked the guts in sheets and then put the sheets on them so really not on their skin. Like has been pointed out there probably is a different between guts just on a scratch versus a deep wound. You also had Negan talk about being careful with the guts when him and Gabe smeared it on themselves.

I'm at least happy there was some of the show I did like and was exciting.
 
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I can maybe give them a pass on not watching the wounded as they were probably deemed not life threatening. Most of them were not going to die just because they were shot by an arrow. Granted Tobin was stabbed but I'm assuming he was stable and they felt he was fine. If you think about it there should always be someone awake as anyone at any time can die in their sleep from a heart attack, stroke, etc.
Yes. There SHOULD always be someone awake. And you'd think they'd triage... that SOME were at least wounded badly enough that they'd be segregated and guarded more heavily.

This episode was like we were on Day 1 of the apocalypse and no one knows the "rules". Ridiculous.
 
I missed this part COMPLETELY.

LOL, I thought the fight between them was pretty awesome, like I said tricking the Saviors into the open field so they could turn the lights on them and start shooting them and then have them run into Rick and company who are waiting for them outside the gates.
 
I didn't stick around for the previews of the next episode. Is TWD on this Sunday (Easter)? Or will it be in two weeks?
 
LOL, I thought the fight between them was pretty awesome, like I said tricking the Saviors into the open field so they could turn the lights on them and start shooting them and then have them run into Rick and company who are waiting for them outside the gates.
I guess there was just WAY too much stupid stuff for me to enjoy this aspect.

There have been negative FB comments on TWD posts at least since the fake-Glenn-killing episode. But you should check out the account's last two posts and the comments that follow -- I just started reading them a little while ago. SO MANY people making fun of this episode. Talking about how lunatic it is that they can NOW be infected this way, that no one was waking up despite all the noise, that the kid opened the gate to shoot through that pen...

Here are just a few in a row on FB:

"Luckily Little Henry can wake up all the Saviors when whispering 50 yards away but not a single one of our beloved Hilltoppians wake up when a growling hungry walker falls down 90 flights of steps at 4 am!"

"Man that had to be some goood sleeeep. Zombie falls all the way down the stairs smells like rotten flesh and starts eating the person next to you and you still dont wake up. They should use that as an advertisement for nyquil."

"I’m wondering how they couldn’t mow down almost every single savior getting out of the back of that truck, but can shoot out every single headlight with sniper-like accuracy...
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People need to just stop watching.
Is this a way of saying no one should complain in a discussion forum, or saying that’s what this writing deserves at this point?

Only because I’ve been watching for 8 seasons am I choosing to give it until season 9 when someone takes over the show runner role from Gimple.
 
Is this a way of saying no one should complain in a discussion forum, or saying that’s what this writing deserves at this point?

Only because I’ve been watching for 8 seasons am I choosing to give it until season 9 when someone takes over the show runner role from Gimple.


I'm just saying if people consistently don't enjoy a show, they may as well stop watching. If the ratings drop the show would take notice.
 

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