The VGF 2 pricing thread

[Nabas]

who on this board will buy at $255 or above? I won’t, that’s a crazy high price

$207 and I’ll buy but on 100 points $255 vs $207 is a delta of $5000. That’s a lot of money

if dvc lists gfv at $255 sales will be garbage

I think the idea being bounced about is offering VGF2 at a higher price but then having deep discounts for larger contracts, like what’s happening at BLT at the moment.

BLT is still listed at $245pp but a contract of 1000 points includes an existing member discount of $48pp.

I still think $255pp is too high for Disney to sell in volume, but maybe a number somewhere in between $207pp and $255pp is what Disney has in mind.

Remember, the typical sold-out resort sells only about 1000 to 4000 points per month (VGF1 was selling about 2000 per month) while an actively marketed resort typically sells over 100,000 points per month.

But we are talking about the Disney under the control of Chapek, who has made it abundantly clear that he feels no obligation to follow the old rules. Undoubtedly, those under him are being directed to be more “creative” when it comes to pricing.

With Chapek’s background in merchandising, setting the price high and then offering discounts might seem normal to him.

The point is, just because Disney did something in the past doesn’t mean the Chapek administration is going to follow the same playbook.

 

[Jimmy Geppetto]

I’m going with $255 base price with incentives starting at $15pp plus an additional $10 off for existing members.

So $230pp for existing members.

And for the record… I hope I am wrong.

 

[lowlight]

Anything over 220 before incentives is a non starter for me. I honestly do not like the new resort rooms and I can’t imagine most do, which means the competition for deluxe studio and 1br will be fierce. Why pay top dollar for that?

 

[Einstein509]

I think the idea being bounced about is offering VGF2 at a higher price but then having deep discounts for larger contracts, like what’s happening at BLT at the moment.

BLT is still listed at $245pp but a contract of 1000 points includes an existing member discount of $48pp.

I still think $255pp is too high for Disney to sell in volume, but maybe a number somewhere in between $207pp and $255pp is what Disney has in mind.

Remember, the typical sold-out resort sells only about 1000 to 4000 points per month (VGF1 was selling about 2000 per month) while an actively marketed resort typically sells over 100,000 points per month.

But we are talking about the Disney under the control of Chapek, who has made it abundantly clear that he feels no obligation to follow the old rules. Undoubtedly, those under him are being directed to be more “creative” when it comes to pricing.

With Chapek’s background in merchandising, setting the price high and then offering discounts might seem normal to him.

The point is, just because Disney did something in the past doesn’t mean the Chapek administration is going to follow the same playbook.

Exactly! The Cheapek regime is in control now. Starting price $255 with incentives to bring it into the $210-$230 range the more points you buy.

Cheapek will make you pay for VGF2, just like everything else.

 

[Einstein509]

Sounds to me like they are saying VGF is superior to Riviera.

Cause it is.....

 

[Nabas]

Anything over 220 before incentives is a non starter for me. I honestly do not like the new resort rooms and I can’t imagine most do, which means the competition for deluxe studio and 1br will be fierce. Why pay top dollar for that?

The VGF2 sales video pushes VGF1 rooms just as much as VGF2 rooms.

These boards aside, I suspect most VGF2 members will be first-time buyers. They most likely will have no clue of what you’re talking about which, I suspect, is exactly what Disney wants.

 

[Her Dotness]

I honestly do not like the new resort rooms and I can’t imagine most do, which means the competition for deluxe studio and 1br will be fierce. Why pay top dollar for that?

I'm wondering if we current owners aren't blinded by experience and not seeing some definite advantages to the resort studios for more people than we think.

While 2023 points can certainly change in succeeding years, they'll be terrific for a family of 5 who find the current studio feeling cramped--book two resort studios at about the same points as a 1br. That's particularly so if Kid #6 comes along. In a short few years, they'll be too many for a 1br but room-to-grow in 2 resort studios.

Both some owners and prospective ones may actually prefer the resort studios. They don't eat in the room and don't want anything "kitcheny," may not use mini-fridge or coffeemaker at all. This IS the Grand with how many great restaurants?

There are other reasons two resort studios may appeal more than a 1br. In 2023, points cost alone plus more bodies in the space could be a biggie, IMO.

 

[lowlight]

Cause it is.....

In my opinion, VGF is the best monorail resort and Riviera is the best Epcot resort. If you are not a MK fan I can’t imagine you’d love staying at VGF for park days. But preferences are unique to everyone and I imagine a lot of people hate both and would rather something like OKW.

 

[lowlight]

I'm wondering if we current owners aren't blinded by experience and not seeing some definite advantages to the resort studios for more people than we think.

While 2023 points can certainly change in succeeding years, they'll be terrific for a family of 5 who find the current studio feeling cramped--book two resort studios at about the same points as a 1br. That's particularly so if Kid #6 comes along. In a short few years, they'll be too many for a 1br but room-to-grow in 2 resort studios.

Both some owners and prospective ones may actually prefer the resort studios. They don't eat in the room and don't want anything "kitcheny," may not use mini-fridge or coffeemaker at all. This IS the Grand with how many great restaurants?

There are other reasons two resort studios may appeal more than a 1br. In 2023, points cost alone plus more bodies in the space could be a biggie, IMO.

I only glanced at the point charts for my usual weeks at WDW and the points were the same for resort studio and deluxe studio. Are they different at some times or the year?
I do agree it will be better for some people to have more room, but to pitch DVC as a second home is tough when you don’t have a microwave, sink and fridge.

 

[SusieQ93]

who on this board will buy at $255 or above? I won’t, that’s a crazy high price

$207 and I’ll buy but on 100 points $255 vs $207 is a delta of $5000. That’s a lot of money

if dvc lists gfv at $255 sales will be garbage

No way will I buy at $255. And these are the diehards on these boards. I love Disney but even I have my limits. $255 was a sold out price that isn’t even marketed to new buyers. I don’t think most people realize you can buy the sold out resorts. Also watched the VGF promo video last night and I believe it was you who mentioned the pricing on the bottom. 31k - 55k. Now, I see other’s argument that you can buy DVC for $31k, however, I do think that putting that pricing on the bottom of a video that is solely marketing VGF is misleading if it comes in over $7k higher as the bottom price for new buyers. Granted it does have the asterisk that pricing is subject to change. Coming in that high is a gamble. In my experience Disney has always raised prices, much easier to raise than lower. Raising makes the product look hot, lowering signifies a problem. Maybe it won’t be $207, but $255 plus to me is over the top.

 

[nuhusky123]

I think the idea being bounced about is offering VGF2 at a higher price but then having deep discounts for larger contracts, like what’s happening at BLT at the moment.

BLT is still listed at $245pp but a contract of 1000 points includes an existing member discount of $48pp.

I still think $255pp is too high for Disney to sell in volume, but maybe a number somewhere in between $207pp and $255pp is what Disney has in mind.

Remember, the typical sold-out resort sells only about 1000 to 4000 points per month (VGF1 was selling about 2000 per month) while an actively marketed resort typically sells over 100,000 points per month.

But we are talking about the Disney under the control of Chapek, who has made it abundantly clear that he feels no obligation to follow the old rules. Undoubtedly, those under him are being directed to be more “creative” when it comes to pricing.

With Chapek’s background in merchandising, setting the price high and then offering discounts might seem normal to him.

The point is, just because Disney did something in the past doesn’t mean the Chapek administration is going to follow the same playbook.

disney has every right to price gfv however they wish and they may not care about quickly selling gfv.

for me if the price is much higher than $207 on 150 points I will pass I’ll keep my current contract and either reduce the amount of wdw vacations I take or augment my spend at the swan reserve which is a fantastic hotel

dvc needs to convince me to buy, not the otherway around

 

[Her Dotness]

I only glanced at the point charts for my usual weeks at WDW and the points were the same for resort studio and deluxe studio. Are they different at some times or the year?

I'm talking 2 resort studios going for less than 1-1br. I think 2 resort studios could actually be very much more appealing for the fact that you could put 10 bodies total in them for about the same points as a 1br in 2023, fewer points for lake view.

I do agree it will be better for some people to have more room, but to pitch DVC as a second home is tough when you don’t have a microwave, sink and fridge.

Not for people who don't care that the resort studios haven't the kitchenette. With the DxDDP, that was DH and I. We rarely ate in the room, didn't use the microwave at all, only used the kitchen sink to wash reusable mugs.

My point is that a lot of us are projecting our own experience in DVC onto newcomers. WE want the kitchenette or full kitchen. A lot buying in may not or may not care the resort studio is like a regular room, might prefer it that way, in fact.

 

[Einstein509]

Maybe it won’t be $207, but $255 plus to me is over the top.

It is, but Cheapskate is in charge. AP prices are now $1200 without photopass and that's over the top for me. They used to be $800 pre-COVID, pre-Cheapskate.

 

[nuhusky123]

No way will I buy at $255. And these are the diehards on these boards. I love Disney but even I have my limits. $255 was a sold out price that isn’t even marketed to new buyers. I don’t think most people realize you can buy the sold out resorts. Also watched the VGF promo video last night and I believe it was you who mentioned the pricing on the bottom. 31k - 55k. Now, I see other’s argument that you can buy DVC for $31k, however, I do think that putting that pricing on the bottom of a video that is solely marketing VGF is misleading if it comes in over $7k higher as the bottom price for new buyers. Granted it does have the asterisk that pricing is subject to change. Coming in that high is a gamble. In my experience Disney has always raised prices, much easier to raise than lower. Raising makes the product look hot, lowering signifies a problem. Maybe it won’t be $207, but $255 plus to me is over the top.

I’d be tempted to file a false advertising complaint with the FTC if they come in above $207 for 150 points

they have the numbers on their marketing videos, the avg buyer has no clue when gfv expires so the argument the text is applicable to aul or riv is moot. Disney has a video being promoted to sell gfv and it has a minimum price on it. To me that means Disney has to offer a contract at $31,000

 

[Chuck96]

Doing some quick math, $31,500 divided by 150 (points) = $210.

My guess is that the base price will be higher than that, with short term incentives that drive it down to $210 if you purchase at least 150 points. I believe it has to be priced cheaper than $255, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a lot cheaper. I also think it has to be more than $207, to capture the flagship resort narrative. I myself have no interest if it is above $220, but am ready to have the conversation with my wife if it is that or below.

 

[Marionnette]

I’d be tempted to file a false advertising complaint with the FTC if they come in above $207 for 150 points

they have the numbers on their marketing videos, the avg buyer has no clue when gfv expires so the argument the text is applicable to aul or riv is moot. Disney has a video being promoted to sell gfv and it has a minimum price on it. To me that means Disney has to offer a contract at $31,000

I think that the language in the promo video stated that typical purchases range from $31K - $55K. As long as the price for a new owner falls in that range for a minimum purchase of 150 points, they've covered their butts.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

What is a CR DVC?

CR = Contemporary Resort

 

[Sandisw]

CBR near the main gondola seems to me that is a better location than Riviera.

The walk is not that bad from RIV to main station at CBR. And there are sections there that are probably just as far. I have actually seen some CBR guests in the sections closet to RIV take the Skyliner from there to CBR to transfer to HS.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

I'm wondering if we current owners aren't blinded by experience and not seeing some definite advantages to the resort studios for more people than we think.

While 2023 points can certainly change in succeeding years, they'll be terrific for a family of 5 who find the current studio feeling cramped--book two resort studios at about the same points as a 1br. That's particularly so if Kid #6 comes along. In a short few years, they'll be too many for a 1br but room-to-grow in 2 resort studios.

Both some owners and prospective ones may actually prefer the resort studios. They don't eat in the room and don't want anything "kitcheny," may not use mini-fridge or coffeemaker at all. This IS the Grand with how many great restaurants?

There are other reasons two resort studios may appeal more than a 1br. In 2023, points cost alone plus more bodies in the space could be a biggie, IMO.

Maybe if the connecting rooms are a bookable guarantee--otherwise, one would worry that the kids will be on a different floor!

I'm talking 2 resort studios going for less than 1-1br. I think 2 resort studios could actually be very much more appealing for the fact that you could put 10 bodies total in them for about the same points as a 1br in 2023, fewer points for lake view.



Not for people who don't care that the resort studios haven't the kitchenette. With the DxDDP, that was DH and I. We rarely ate in the room, didn't use the microwave at all, only used the kitchen sink to wash reusable mugs.

My point is that a lot of us are projecting our own experience in DVC onto newcomers. WE want the kitchenette or full kitchen. A lot buying in may not or may not care the resort studio is like a regular room, might prefer it that way, in fact.

I don't care for the microwave or sink, but I would still prefer 1BR over 2 connecting studios, especially now that the murphy bed is there. But, again, if connecting studios can be guaranteed, that's a game changer--2 bathrooms! It would be like when we try to decide whether to squeeze into one or 2 cabins on a cruise ship. When I mention we'd have a 2nd bathroom, decision made lol

 

[nuhusky123]

I think that the language in the promo video stated that typical purchases range from $31K - $55K. As long as the price for a new owner falls in that range for a minimum purchase of 150 points, they've covered their butts.

Correct must fall into range, but min price has to be $31k for 150 points