The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[o&smom]

Hopefully they get it figured out for you all. I haven’t looked into how the vaccine is prioritized for the different countries. I did read the US is sitting on something like 30 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine in case it gets approved. Hopefully the vaccine companies are being fair with it.

10 different countries halted its use last week due to reactions.

 

[randumb0]

Astra zeneca is not looking promising as several countries have stopped administering it as they look into the blood clot issue

 

[cgolf]

10 different countries halted its use last week due to reactions.

Yeh I did hear that, still think it was weird that before that news we were holding back doses of a vaccine approved elsewhere that couldn’t be used here. I am happy that we were able to get it and our daughter has a chance come May because our supply will be good enough, but at the same time I feel bad for our neighbors to the North.

 

[mevelandry]

Hopefully they get it figured out for you all. I haven’t looked into how the vaccine is prioritized for the different countries. I did read the US is sitting on something like 30 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine in case it gets approved. Hopefully the vaccine companies are being fair with it.

30 million doses would be enough to vaccinate every adult in our country. Lol

 

[anricat]

10 different countries halted its use last week due to reactions.

Which is baffling to me given that the incidence of blood clots is LOWER than that which is seen in the general population. Someone also got struck buy lightning (not joking) after getting a vaccine, but somehow we aren't looking into issue of the vaccine turning people into a lightning rod.

 

[brentm77]

Which is baffling to me given that the incidence of blood clots is LOWER than that which is seen in the general population. Someone also got struck buy lightning (not joking) after getting a vaccine, but somehow we aren't looking into issue of the vaccine turning people into a lightning rod.

Exactly. These decisions will almost certainly do more harm than good:
"The 37 reports are below the level you would expect. What is more, there is no strong biological explanation why the vaccine would cause a blood clot."
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56360646
And this is happening while Europe is already underperforming in vaccination rates. Without getting into the reasons they are behind, this won't help.

 

[WishUponAStarryNight]

Well, CT governor just announced that eligibility to everyone 16+ is tentatively scheduled for April 5 due anticipated increased supply. We’re currently at 55+ and moving to 45+ on Friday, before opening up more broadly on April 5th.

 

[Intr3pid]

Which is baffling to me given that the incidence of blood clots is LOWER than that which is seen in the general population. Someone also got struck buy lightning (not joking) after getting a vaccine, but somehow we aren't looking into issue of the vaccine turning people into a lightning rod.

The incidence of the blood clot is linked to certain batches. The cases as a proportion of those in the batches is noticeable. Not all batches are in question, of course, but why take the risk until a a more thorough investigation can be afoot? Most of the countries are temporarily suspending - not banning. We are talking mass vaccinations after all.

The vaccine has had issues of various kinds for a while. I noted this previously up the thread as well. Its efficacy has been iffy for those above 65, and now this scare. Personally, I find it really unfortunate because this is supposed to be the vaccine for the broader world - it can't just catch a break!

 

[Makmak]

30 million doses would be enough to vaccinate every adult in our country. Lol

OT but a lot of Americans don’t know how small the Canadian population is or how it’s distributed. In a unit on global population growth I showed my students a population distribution map of Canada and they were like “?! Why is the north blank??!” So then during discussions of resource needs there were the general student comments: “Tanzania needs water resources” “India needs better resource mobilization” then.... “Canada needs more people.”

 

[anricat]

The incidence of the blood clot is linked to certain batches.

Hmm. I can't find anything to indicate this. Can you provide the source? I've scoured dozens of sources and I don't see that any have mentioned that it's tied to specific lots. From what I've read, they also couldn't imagine what could cause an increase in blot clots in the first place. There's just nothing IN the vaccine that would cause this type of reaction.

 

[Intr3pid]

Hmm. I can't find anything to indicate this. Can you provide the source? I've scoured dozens of sources and I don't see that any have mentioned that it's tied to specific lots. From what I've read, they also couldn't imagine what could cause an increase in blot clots in the first place. There's just nothing IN the vaccine that would cause this type of reaction.

That's not how a drug and its side effects work. A drug is a chemical formulation, but it interfaces with your body. One body may react very differently to it than another. Doesn't mean the drug is the cause - but, again, why would you not investigate a possible issue before proceeding with mass vaccinations?

Tons of sources on the batches under investigation:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/c...suggests-no-specific-issue-batch-used-austria
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/health/astra-zeneca-vaccine-blood-clots-bleeding.html
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-03-italy-batch-astrazeneca-jab.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmo...eena-hinshaw-covishield-astrazeneca-1.5945884

 

[anricat]

That's not how a drug and its side effects work. A drug is a chemical formulation, but it interfaces with your body. One body may react very differently to it than another. Doesn't mean the drug is the cause - but, again, why would you not investigate a possible issue before proceeding with mass vaccinations?

Tons of sources on the batches under investigation:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/c...suggests-no-specific-issue-batch-used-austria
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/health/astra-zeneca-vaccine-blood-clots-bleeding.html
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-03-italy-batch-astrazeneca-jab.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmo...eena-hinshaw-covishield-astrazeneca-1.5945884

Okay, I saw a specific mention of batches in two of those articles. Still in one of those articles it indicates that they've had 30 clots out of 5 million vaccinations. (I can't find any specific numbers for the "batch" in question in those articles.) The normal incidence of clots in the general population is 1 per 1,000 (higher in older populations, which is what is mostly being vaccinated right now). So 1 per 1,000 would equate to 5,000 of 5 million unless my math is super wrong. That seems actually like a super low number to me. And, we can't actually say that the vaccine caused the issue because, again, causation doesn't equal correlation. I mean, I'm glad they are investigating, don't get me wrong. I think we really need safe vaccines, however, it does seem a bit of a knee jerk to completely halt all vaccinations, especially since cases seem to be surging in Europe and every possible chance of stopping this thing should be taken. Also, I think halting vaccinations is going to make people more wary when they resume. Investigate and ensure safety, but this seems overblown and is getting out of hand, especially in a place that is already the epicenter of vaccination wariness.

 

[Chrissy-Mickey]

I got my J&J vaccine on Sunday!
Here in Florida, several pharmacies are accepting appointments for teachers, regardless of age, following federal advice.

I felt ill on Monday, as warned: was hot and had a migraine level headache. Now, on Tuesday, I feel great again, just the injection site is a bit sore (which happens with me with any injection).

Why did I take it? Now I won't get quarantined when one of my students tests positive! (school district policy)
Also, I'll feel more confident when traveling.

Yes, I know I still get Covid, but I had it last year in March, and those were two horrible weeks! If I need to experience it again, I rather do it with fewer symptoms. Am I worried about side-effects? Yes, but coughing up blood and struggling to breathe was scary too.

 

[brentm77]

I worked too many years in big Pharma, there is so much misinformation here, I don't know where to begin. My chief intent is just to impress that everyone needs to dig deeper on these experimental treatments. Not one of them can stop the virus replicating in your body or prevent the transmission- by most definitions- they are not vaccines. What they do is inhibit your symptom response. What the first two accomplish is altering your body's response to the virus. What it also does is forces your own body's natural immune response into a competitive environment- mRNA will win and prevent your body from having a natural response. Bossch just put out a video (it won't be there for long) that details what all need to know before injecting these into their systems. Bossch was once employed by Gates- not sure if he still is, but I was very surprised to see him put forth his fears on this system of delivery- but it aligns with everything I have been able to search...so, to date- it's the best guidance to give with this experimental approval on these compounds.
Just try and find it Geert Vanden Bossche PhD and his warning to the world against "Immune Escape" via Discernable- I give it 2 weeks before they remove it. The MSM and CDC/WHO are not giving all the facts. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) allows you to search by specific compound- to date (less than 12 weeks) there have been over 1,500 deaths reported- these represent less than 5% of all adverse events reported- when I pulled the data for late February- I was shocked to see an account for abdominal pain...it's entered as abdominal pain- but when you go to the column with the full description (you must include this in your search)...the patient died. This patient # is not linked at all to a death reported for this compound- only for abdominal pain...so we're not even capturing accurate reports.
When your government blocks the use of hydrochloroquine to push through a compound (a compound which was already completed by January 13- before we even knew there was a 'situation') because the FDA can not give an emergency approval unless there is NO viable treatment...we are being deceived. I believe it was criminal what they did, I had hope with JnJ- but when I realized they chose the majority of their patient population in Africa (all other compounds they're approved or sought approval had clinical trials here- we have enough Covid patients to complete those types of trials)...they knew they were fraudulently elevating their efficacy because hydrochloroquine is in the majority of patients there as a preventative for malaria- it's proven those with HCQ have a much lower symptom response to Covid 19...in fact, they had over 16,000 patients scheduled for trials in Latin America and stopped all trials suddenly in December....I know too much- when I read data others are spouting here- 95% effectiveness- it does not even touch the truth...95% of what? If you have 100 patients and 95 report their symptoms are less than a report from the general population- you could say it helped 95% of the population- but it did not prevent them from getting the virus. Others are saying JnJ only helped 66%- but their own data shows also over 95%...that 'magic' number that 'sells'....Listen to Bossch- he's spot on.

You may have worked in pharma, but nearly everything you say in this post is wrong. I'm not exaggerating. You don't actually understand how the vaccines work, or how results are measured.

People, please, go to reputable sources for information and don't let this conspiracy-filled stuff you see on social media deter you. If you decide not to get the vaccine, at least do so based on legitimate information.

 

[lanejudy]

why would you not investigate a possible issue before proceeding with mass vaccinations?

Because of the pressure to bring vaccines to market worldwide.

The AZ vaccine question is exactly why rushing products to market isn't typically done. Exactly what they are doing now for AZ -- a pause while investigating a potential connection to blood clots -- would typically be found within the trial and observation period and none of us would be the wiser. It may very well be determined that the vaccine did not cause the blood clots in which case use will resume.

 

[Intr3pid]

Okay, I saw a specific mention of batches in two of those articles. Still in one of those articles it indicates that they've had 30 clots out of 5 million vaccinations. (I can't find any specific numbers for the "batch" in question in those articles.) The normal incidence of clots in the general population is 1 per 1,000 (higher in older populations, which is what is mostly being vaccinated right now). So 1 per 1,000 would equate to 5,000 of 5 million unless my math is super wrong. That seems actually like a super low number to me. And, we can't actually say that the vaccine caused the issue because, again, causation doesn't equal correlation. I mean, I'm glad they are investigating, don't get me wrong. I think we really need safe vaccines, however, it does seem a bit of a knee jerk to completely halt all vaccinations, especially since cases seem to be surging in Europe and every possible chance of stopping this thing should be taken. Also, I think halting vaccinations is going to make people more wary when they resume. Investigate and ensure safety, but this seems overblown and is getting out of hand, especially in a place that is already the epicenter of vaccination wariness.

On the contrary, It is utterly irresponsible to mass vaccinate populations when potentially deadly side effects are being investigated.

The 5 million vaccinations are the cumulative total to date for all of Europe - not for the batches in question. None of us has access to the data that the health agencies in these countries are looking at. If they brush the issue under the carpet now, more conspiracy theories will emerge from totally unrelated cases. The correct approach is to take a brief pause, prove swiftly that the vaccine has no role to play here, and resume with a strong, unified message.

 

[cgolf]

I will let the die hard investigators on here look this up more, but I saw a story that the Pfizer vaccine group had more clot cases than AstraZenaca but it wasn't halted.

I didn't dig in and look for more stories or read the article, but if true it is interesting.

Here is one from CBS

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-europe-countries-suspend-blood-clot-worries/

 

[18sprint]

I'm wondering what 'proof' of a vaccination will be required. We got ours yesterday and all we got was a small card that showed our first and second injection dates. I hate to say it, but this type of proof can easily be forged.

 

[rigs32]

I'm in the Astrazeneca trial in the US. Their stage 3 trial was halted as 3 people world-wide showed the same rare, but dangerous side effect (something regarding inflammation with the spinal cord). One person received the placebo. One person had undiagnosed MS and this is a known possible side effect of MS. That left one person with an unknown cause. The stage three trial was restarted after the pause, leaving them behind the mRNA vaccines rather than on the same time table.

 

[Snowwhyt]

I'm wondering what 'proof' of a vaccination will be required. We got ours yesterday and all we got was a small card that showed our first and second injection dates. I hate to say it, but this type of proof can easily be forged.

But your card has a phone number, batch, and/or other identification that can be verified right?
I am assuming, which I know is a terrible thing to do, that each shot is trackable through the doctor, the vendor, big pharmaceutical companies???
Maybe people would be required to give card info ?6 weeks prior to the cruise to be verified?
Maybe they will check them all, maybe they will check a % of them, I suspect it’s least likely they will record the number and leave it at that, especially at first. Maybe later when much of this is over(ish).