The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[mevelandry]

I am curious what religion has stated an issue with this vaccine? I know there was an issue raised by some in the Catholic church with one of the Covid Vaccines, but I thought even the Pope suggested that Catholics should get the vaccine.

Our own Catholic archbishop has made a public statement and went strongly against one of the priest who had made public comments about not taking certain vaccines because it was « built« with an aborted foetus from 1973 or something along those lines. The archbishop said: « get the first vaccine you can have » because seeking vaccination is a charitable act (contribution to public health).

 

[sullivan.kscott]

If your‘re a healthcare worker then you know not all healthcare employees , and first responders around the country have chosen to be vaccinated.
I appreciate your service, but I don’t understand the anger.

First, no thanks needed. It’s what I signed up to do many moons ago. I’m tired and cranky, but I try to not be gloating. As to other professionals, some pulmonologists and oncologists smoke. A lot of orthopedists ski and mountain bike. It’s a calculated risk in all things in life, and on a personal level maybe most of us will be mostly fine with COVID. Yet, vaccines are for the benefit of all. It’s why my son chose (yes, chose) to get a shot today. Because, sometimes, the world is bigger than our personal outcome. So, yeah, I’m not happy with them, either.

Like I said, no skin off my back in the end if people choose to remain unvaccinated. How quickly we hit the floor with this pandemic is dependent on how quickly people can carve out an hour two times out their month. Especially in population centers. I’ll readily concede that rural populations are at less risk when national community spread is low. Or do it the more risky way and get sick. Either way, enough vectors for disease need to be removed to truly reach the finish line.

 

[mevelandry]

The US government has already said we aren't doing this. Even Europe has said they aren't doing this. So there may be a few small countries that might but I highly doubt they will make this a requirement. There isn't going to be an incentive when the spread is so minimal.

It was obviously a joke.

 

[mevelandry]

Do you really think like that? Reap the benefits of your hard work? What did you do, wear a mask, order carryout? The cases were dropping significantly even before 25% of this country was vaccinated, and you make it sound like you stormed the beaches of Normandy because you went thru a drive through.

Wait...

If staying at home/working from home for months, not receiving your family for Christmas, wearing a mask all day, doing daily desinfection, not going out at all... and taking one for the team (vaccine) ASAP is not hard work for you, I don’t know what is.

 

[Mousequake]

Wait...

If staying at home/working from home for months, not receiving your family for Christmas, wearing a mask all day, doing daily desinfection, not going out at all... and taking one for the team (vaccine) ASAP is not hard work for you, I don’t know what is.

YES!!

The assumption that the previous poster's only contribution was "going through drive-throughs" was pretty dismissive. Many of us have contributed a great deal of actual time and effort to try to get the pandemic under control. And our anger at people who can't be bothered to wear a mask or get a shot is well-earned.

 

[DCLMP]

YES!!

The assumption that the previous poster's only contribution was "going through drive-throughs" was pretty dismissive. Many of us have contributed a great deal of actual time and effort to try to get the pandemic under control. And our anger at people who can't be bothered to wear a mask or get a shot is well-earned.

The assumption that unvaccinated people haven’t suffered, worked hard or contributed to getting the pandemic under control is unfortunate to say the least.
Anger is a tough emotion to live with everyday. It takes a toll on your health.

 

[soniam]

With the CDC’s wording today that activity can be normal when everyone around you is vaccinated, it certainly seems they believe a FULLY vaccinated ship (not the 95/98 rule - sorry kids and DCL) would be a mostly mask-free vacation.

If DCL went 12+ fully vaccinated hard stop (they won’t), they could probably drop masks before the parks. This guidance is for the vaccinated, whether the defiant want to believe it or not. Disney isn’t going to fully drop masks (they may modify some rules) “for the vaccinated” and have unmasked parents pushing around Paxton, who’s 5 and obviously not vaccinated, masked and in a stroller. At least I hope they wouldn’t.

Let’s assume vaccines continue working, and we get to 70-75% of the total population. At that point, the 25-30% unvaccinated will reap the benefits of all the hard work put in. They’ll still make fun of us, and say the pandemic ended without them needing to be sheep, but oh well. My life will be back to normal then and I’ll enjoy my Whistle Pig Old Fashioned at Meridian.

At some sad point, we just have to let people who have a choice, live with their decisions. I don't feel bad for any consequences from this to them. I do feel horribly bad for those that can't protect themselves though, and I am very thankful that my family doesn't have to worry about that. Hopefully, what happens will be enough to protect the sick and babies. Having a science-based background, especially in understanding risks and making quick assessments, has made the decision to wear masks and getting vaccinated incredibly easy for me.

Actually I busted my rump and literally turned off a few people languishing with the effects of the disease, while they died alone. I spent nights away from my family. My boys developed a bit of anxiety about whether dad would get the “bad flu” while I worked. We modified just about every aspect of our lives, but still managed to enjoy ourselves as much as possible. I signed up for it, so it wasn’t a draft situation like Normandy. So, yeah, hard work. Now people can’t be bothered to make an appointment and get a well-vetted shot, and it angers me.

Thank you for your hard work. It must be a real slap in the face. I can't even begin to understand what you and other health care workers have dealt with during this pandemic.

The assumption that unvaccinated people haven’t suffered, worked hard or contributed to getting the pandemic under control is unfortunate to say the least.
Anger is a tough emotion to live with everyday. It takes a toll on your health.

No disrespect, but maybe seeking professional mental health help would be be helpful. I have depression that was triggered by the birth of my son. Depression often exhibits as anger. I have found tremendous help in talking with a therapist and also medication. I waited too long and would not want anyone, or any family, to suffer like I did for as long as I did. It's not necessary.

 

[Mousequake]

The assumption that unvaccinated people haven’t suffered, worked hard or contributed to getting the pandemic under control is unfortunate to say the least.
Anger is a tough emotion to live with everyday. It takes a toll on your health.

You're changing my words. I never said "all unvaccinated people." I said those who can't be bothered to wear a mask or get a shot." I find it highly improbable that someone who can't be bothered to wear a mask has spent a great deal of effort in getting the pandemic under control.

I also never mentioned suffering, because a great many of us have suffered a great deal this year, no matter what side of things you're on.

 

[jerry557]

Time will tell, but I think attorneys and insurance carriers are going to be the driving factor if private businesses require vaccinations. (Yes I realize some states have outlawed this - but we will see what the courts say). They are going to consider risk and liability and advise their clients accordingly.

Some states have passed laws where you can’t sue a business if you go there and catch COVID. So there is very little legal risk in that situation.

If you go to a sports game, concert, or a theme park, there is the assumption that the person who makes the choice of attending that event, and chooses to not be vaccinated, that they are assuming and accepting of the risk that they could get infected.

Eventually, that’s where this needs to end up. We are never going to get 100% vaccinated. The Measles vaccine has been mandatory in schools for 40 years and we still aren’t 100%. We are not going to get to 100% with COVID. That virus will be with us for quite some time.

 

[sullivan.kscott]

At some sad point, we just have to let people who have a choice, live with their decisions. I don't feel bad for any consequences from this to them. I do feel horribly bad for those that can't protect themselves though, and I am very thankful that my family doesn't have to worry about that. Hopefully, what happens will be enough to protect the sick and babies. Having a science-based background, especially in understanding risks and making quick assessments, has made the decision to wear masks and getting vaccinated incredibly easy for me.

Don’t get me wrong. On a personal level, I am 100% with you. Even with my 11 year old, he’s a low risk I’m willing to accept now that our household is personally herd immune (well, soon, anyway). If you’re actively rejecting a vaccine, then you need to be ready to accept the hand you’re dealt should you fall ill.
For the sake of society and our potential powder keg that we sit upon, 40% of the population being unprotected (even 35% if we account for some overlap and waning natural immunity of the infected) is still too much for the truly unable to be vaccinated to bear. Maybe they’ll spiral there, anyway, but I’d like to see cases drop in half again and get another couple million vaccinations going.

 

[mostlytraveling4food]

Wait...

If staying at home/working from home for months, not receiving your family for Christmas, wearing a mask all day, doing daily desinfection, not going out at all... and taking one for the team (vaccine) ASAP is not hard work for you, I don’t know what is.

It’s not, it’s called a personal choice.

 

[sethschroeder]

Want to go to school (grade school, high school, college), there are vaccine requirements.

Incorrect statement it's not a requirement. Certain states for religious reasons and other states just for personal reasons.

So no it's not required actually. Honestly I would be surprised if there is more than 1 or 2 states that don't have some easy way to exempt yourself or your kids from vaccines if you really wanted to.

 

[mevelandry]

It’s not, it’s called a personal choice.

My loved ones could have died if I had infected them with COVID. Masks were mandatory everywhere here. We can get a 1500$ contravention if we are caught inside with someone from another house.

So yeah, I chose to protect the people I loved, and I chose to respect the measures... I also chose to get involved with the « COVID committee » at work and we dedicated hours implementing and enforcing measures to protect the staff from getting sick (Zero cases of COVID so far... *fingers crossed*)

Telling me —and others— that it wasn’t »hard work » is pretty disrespectful.

 

[mostlytraveling4food]

Looks like Chapek is dropping the mask rule like I said, following with CDC guidance.

 

[Sykes]

Incorrect statement it's not a requirement. Certain states for religious reasons and other states just for personal reasons.

So no it's not required actually. Honestly I would be surprised if there is more than 1 or 2 states that don't have some easy way to exempt yourself or your kids from vaccines if you really wanted to.

For normal vaccines (not COVID-19), 6 states only allow medical exemption and do not allow religious or personal belief exemptions. Another 29 states allow for exemption based on sincerely held religious belief but do not allow for exemptions based on personal, moral, or other belief reasons. Only 15 states allow for exemption for philosophical reasons. It is, of course, possible to lie about sincerely held religious beliefs, but that does not mean it's legal. https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx

 

[mevelandry]

Quebec (Canada) has now dropped AstraZeneca for first shots and plans to concentrate on mRNA vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna.

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Now, I hope they will let people that had a first shot of AZ get their 2nd AZ earlier than 16 weeks.

 

[DCLMP]

At some sad point, we just have to let people who have a choice, live with their decisions. I don't feel bad for any consequences from this to them. I do feel horribly bad for those that can't protect themselves though, and I am very thankful that my family doesn't have to worry about that. Hopefully, what happens will be enough to protect the sick and babies. Having a science-based background, especially in understanding risks and making quick assessments, has made the decision to wear masks and getting vaccinated incredibly easy for me.



Thank you for your hard work. It must be a real slap in the face. I can't even begin to understand what you and other health care workers have dealt with during this pandemic.



No disrespect, but maybe seeking professional mental health help would be be helpful. I have depression that was triggered by the birth of my son. Depression often exhibits as anger. I have found tremendous help in talking with a therapist and also medication. I waited too long and would not want anyone, or any family, to suffer like I did for as long as I did. It's not necessary.

No disrespect, but I'm not sure what any of that has to do with vaccines and cruising. Maybe we should get back on topic before another interesting thread gets shut down.

 

[DCLMP]

Now with masks no longer being recommended outdoors or indoors I wonder what this means for the CDC's recommendation for cruises. I saw an interview with Chapek today I get the feeling the mask mandate will be dropped soon.

 

[TestingH2O]

Now with masks no longer being recommended outdoors or indoors for vaccinated people I wonder what this means for the CDC's recommendation for cruises.

I fixed it for you. Masks are still recommended for non vaccinated people.
The new guidelines also do not include transportation like airplanes, subways, etc.

 

[AquaDame]

This is not a mask debate thread, and the last 4-5 pages today got quite personal.

This thread must stay respectful or I will close it whether or not it is on topic.