The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[Minnie1222]

Looking back, I admit my post sounds insensitive and condescending. I really appreciate health care workers at all levels and apologize for the remark. Perhaps I should have used a different example.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I dislike this. Either you'll get preferential treatment regardless of whether or not you WOULD take the vaccine if you were able to, or people will just buy the "right" mask ala service animal vests.

I liked this idea initially but I hadn't thought of this. People always find a way to get what they want, whether they deserve it or not.

 

[jane01jp]

I have been reading about the new COVID variant, being found in the UK at an alarming rate, that purportedly spreads much faster than the previous strains.

I hope the vaccine(s) that have been developed are effective against this new strain.

 

[brentm77]

I have been reading about the new COVID variant, being found in the UK at an alarming rate, that purportedly spreads much faster than the previous strains.

I hope the vaccine(s) that have been developed are effective against this new strain.

From the reports I have read, this variation is being pretty overblown by the media. Variations are extremely normal. More often than not, surviving variations are less lethal. And there is no reason, yet, to believe the vaccine won't be effective against these types of variations. Luckily, it isn't like the flu, where variations will be rapid and significant.

 

[jane01jp]

From the reports I have read, this variation is being pretty overblown by the media. Variations are extremely normal. More often than not, surviving variations are less lethal. And there is no reason, yet, to believe the vaccine won't be effective against these types of variations. Luckily, it isn't like the flu, where variations will be rapid and significant.

That's good news! I'm not surprised its being overblown by the media. It kind of makes you wonder what hasn't been overblown by the media.

 

[sullivan.kscott]

As we delay our March Fantasy Eastern to a Merrytime in November, same itinerary, I just wanted to pop in here and say that my department will be given a chance at inoculation next week. I assume Pfizer, maybe Moderna, depending on shipping schedules.
Either way, I'll report back a non-trial participant's experience day-of, at 48 hrs, and repeat with dose 2. Feel free to use my testimonial/experience to educate your friends, neighbors, and colleagues. It's going to take massive public buy-in to get us sailing again.

 

[sullivan.kscott]

But, we are talking about cruising and I highly suspect that the cruise lines will require proof of vaccination for awhile. So, if you "spread" it on the ship, it would be to another vaccinated person that hopefully would not get ill




The game changer here would be if Johnson & Johnson's candidate, which only requires a single-shot, is approved. If things continue well, they expect to apply for an EUA in January/February 2021. It was in the news the other day that they capped their Phase 3 trial to 40,000 enrollees instead of 60,000 because of the increased prevalence of the disease in the US, they expect that they won't need all those extra people to get results. In the article, they expected to get to their statistical significance in January and submit in February, though they said on the news the other day that due to the number of cases increasing, it could be faster than that...

https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/09...ne-study-due-to-prevalence-of-disease-in-u-s/

The AstraZeneca would really be a game-changer as well, but I have a feeling that their study (at least in the US) hit so many delays that they may not be until the end of Q1 2021...

Remember that, at first anyway, kids under 16 won't have access to any of these vaccines. I agree that proof of vaccine or no sail is the way to go. No exceptions can be allowed. As cruising is a luxury and not a necessity, I hope all lines go that route. That way, kids on board maybe spread it among themselves, largely asymptomatically. Maybe within Oceaneers', Vibe, and Edge activities masks stick around longer than expected or even necessary. Most port cities and islands will probably require it anyway as a means to international travel. It's how I see schools going next year, too. Teachers and staff inoculated, and maybe by then students 12+.

 

[tidefan]

Important news on the Moderna review that affects some questions asked before:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...rotect-against-coronavirus-infection-n1251237

"But there is also evidence suggesting that just one dose of Moderna's may stop the virus's spread. A second document published on the FDA website Tuesday shows asymptomatic infection was reduced by 63 percent after the first shot."

 

[snappy]

Thanks for sharing!

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I heard on the news today that Moderna could possibly get approval by this weekend and people could start getting the vaccine next week.

 

[tidefan]

I heard on the news today that Moderna could possibly get approval by this weekend and people could start getting the vaccine next week.

Yes, their FDA advisory panel meeting is set for Thursday.

 

[jane01jp]

I am still confused about the vaccines. If they don't keep you from being contagious, do they actually enhance the risk of contagion? And, if they don't keep you from being contagious, why would DCL ever require them? Would it be to prevent any serious cases while on board? If so, there are other ways to mitigate risks of serious cases (BMI limits, for example).

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I am still confused about the vaccines. If they don't keep you from being contagious, do they actually enhance the risk of contagion? And, if they don't keep you from being contagious, why would DCL ever require them? Would it be to prevent any serious cases while on board? If so, there are other ways to mitigate risks of serious cases (BMI limits, for example).

Because 95% of those vaccinated won’t get covid. The tiny percent who still possibly could would have a mild case. If 100 people are in a room and 95 of them cant get covid, it doesn't really matter much if some could be contagious because the overwhelming majority can’t get it.
It’s the same feeling for me if someone I met shook hands and told me they have active polio.
I dont worry about diseases for which I’ve been immunized.

 

[jane01jp]

Because 95% of those vaccinated won’t get covid. The tiny percent who still possibly could would have a mild case. If 100 people are in a room and 95 of them cant get covid, it doesn't really matter much if some could be contagious because the overwhelming majority can’t get it.
It’s the same feeling for me if someone I met shook hands and told me they have active polio.
I dont worry about diseases for which I’ve been immunized.

Makes sense. Given all of the above, why masks after most have been vaccinated?

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

Makes sense. Given all of the above, why masks after most have been vaccinated?

Because not everyone has been immunized. Even if only 80% of Americans get the vaccine, that is still hundreds of millions of people to be vaccinated and it will take some time. Immunity doesn’t happen instantly and it requires 2 doses. I would guess, depending on what % of Americans are wanting the vaccine, that this time next year will be noticeably different.

 

[jane01jp]

Because not everyone has been immunized. Even if only 80% of Americans get the vaccine, that is still hundreds of millions of people to be vaccinated and it will take some time. Immunity doesn’t happen instantly and it requires 2 doses. I would guess, depending on what % of Americans are wanting the vaccine, that this time next year will be noticeably different.

Until people are told, clearly and unequivocally, that the masks go away after vaccines have been implemented, many people will resist the vaccine.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

Until people are told, clearly and unequivocally, that the masks go away after vaccines have been implemented, many people will resist the vaccine.

And that’s their choice.

 

[BartmanLA]

Until people are told, clearly and unequivocally, that the masks go away after vaccines have been implemented, many people will resist the vaccine.

They just did a big survey that showed that overwhelmingly close to 88% of those asked will get the vaccine right away, or will eventually get it when it's available to them. And they WILL continue wearing masks, simply because even if you get the 1st vaccination (Pfizer) and have to wait 2 weeks for the 2nd dose, you CAN potentially spread contact infection to unvaccinated. It takes 2 to 4 weeks after the 2nd dose for FULL immunity to happen for those vaccinated. So obviously makes are going to be around a LONG time until we reach a saturation of inoculations that offer global herd immunity. This isn't going to go away overnight, just because you get the vaccination doesn't mean you're protected immediately it takes time to develop the immunity so you won't get infected and get sick but also you won't be able to harbor the virus so you can spread it to others! Stop fear mongering! This is a GOOD thing, but it is going to need time to mitigate this pandemic.

 

[jane01jp]

They just did a big survey that showed that overwhelmingly close to 88% of those asked will get the vaccine right away, or will eventually get it when it's available to them. And they WILL continue wearing masks, simply because even if you get the 1st vaccination (Pfizer) and have to wait 2 weeks for the 2nd dose, you CAN potentially spread contact infection to unvaccinated. It takes 2 to 4 weeks after the 2nd dose for FULL immunity to happen for those vaccinated. So obviously makes are going to be around a LONG time until we reach a saturation of inoculations that offer global herd immunity. This isn't going to go away overnight, just because you get the vaccination doesn't mean you're protected immediately it takes time to develop the immunity so you won't get infected and get sick but also you won't be able to harbor the virus so you can spread it to others! Stop fear mongering! This is a GOOD thing, but it is going to need time to mitigate this pandemic.

I'm not "fear mongering." I'm expressing an opinion.

Regarding surveys, and masks, I can recall being told that if most people wore masks, the virus would virtually go away. So, if 88% will get the vaccine and WILL continue wearing masks, I guess that "expert opinion" was wrong.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...drive-this-epidemic-to-the-ground/ar-BB16MQ2n
Also, this article says that masks may be around a long time (maybe forever), even after a vaccine is available, because it is not known how long the vaccines will be effective. Following is a salient quote: "In addition, there’s a possibility that vaccines may not work on some people. Also, it is not known how long the protection will last after vaccination."

https://www.thehealthsite.com/news/...ter-a-vaccine-is-available-icmr-chief-783204/

 

[sullivan.kscott]

Until people are told, clearly and unequivocally, that the masks go away after vaccines have been implemented, many people will resist the vaccine.

Which will only prolong the misery. Quite simply, if people get vaccinated when their “number” is called, and don’t act foolish because we don’t know the viral shedding component if they do contract the virus but don’t get ill, we should see dramatic drops in infection by mid-summer.

We’ll hopefully see dramatic changes very soon, like mid to late spring soon, in hospitalizations and deaths if the most vulnerable and most at-risk by means of work environment participate. It is then that I potentially see some loosening of distancing requirements and return to travel.

This isn’t a game of getting to zero. It’s a game of getting to a manageable level. And we can do our part by getting vaccinated, because your kids’ piano teacher battling cancer or the immune compromised MS patient working at Target are counting on you to help them.