The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[jane01jp]

"One Pfizer trial participant told CNBC that after the second shot, he woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth. “It hurt to even just lay in my bed sheet,” he said."

 

[Intr3pid]

The Chinese vaccine is clocking in at 86% efficacy. They ran the trials in the UAE and were able to test it on subjects from 125 different nationalities. Like Moderna's, the vaccine is 100% effective at preventing cases with severe symptoms.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/09/chi...nopharm-is-86percent-effective-uae-says-.html

 

[Intr3pid]

"One Pfizer trial participant told CNBC that after the second shot, he woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth. “It hurt to even just lay in my bed sheet,” he said."

Yeah, the UK regulator is asking those with significant allergies to skip the Pfizer shot for now:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/09/pfi...istory-of-significant-allergic-reactions.html

 

[brentm77]

Some good news stories today here in UK, don’t know if you have seen them there. The first person in the Western World to get an approved vaccine was a very fit 90 year old lady who only stopped working 4 years ago and has been in hospital for an operation.
Second was an elderly man called William Shakespeare who ironically lives in the same county as the famous one did.

Saw the news, and was very moved. It was moving to see humanity work so fast to attempt to save lives. It was moving to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[emilymad]

"One Pfizer trial participant told CNBC that after the second shot, he woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth. “It hurt to even just lay in my bed sheet,” he said."

I am pretty sure I had Covid in very early February before testing was a thing. The symptoms that are listed in this article were exactly what I had. It certainly makes me pause about getting the vaccine. I am last in the list of priorities anyway so I am sure much more will be known before my turn.

 

[gotomu212]

Depending on where you are those 50-70K doses will not be held over to give those same workers a second dose. It is assumed more doses are on the way so they will use every one of each initial batch on individuals.

Edited to add this may change as we move later into 2021 as apparently we did not secure further pfizer doses apparently? Wild.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/sci...hance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357

Im not sure how you hold over doses due to their short viability. Once they receive it they have to use it. Maybe they mean they have 50k but will only take delivery of half so that the other half in 3 weeks go to the first group.

 

[AquaDame]

Sorry to remove the post that linked to American Thinker but not only does it not have anything to do with the vaccines and/or cruising but...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-thinker/
and yes I WOULD do the same to any extreme left dubious conspiracy theory. Please take such conversation to the community board.

 

[jane01jp]

How recent are you looking for? The CDC published a report a little over a month again on 10/23 showing 200k excess deaths attributed to CoVid for the year thus far (out of almost 300k excess deaths as of October). Since that report, the death rate of CoVid has continued to increase so I don’t think the last month is going to show a sudden slump in excess death data.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

Did Johns Hopkins have a recent study on excess deaths from COVID? I thought I had seen a quote from their study, conducted by Dr. Genevieve Briand that had the following excerpt: "in contrast to most people's assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States."

 

[jane01jp]

Sorry to remove the post that linked to American Thinker but not only does it not have anything to do with the vaccines and/or cruising but...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-thinker/
and yes I WOULD do the same to any extreme left dubious conspiracy theory. Please take such conversation to the community board.

OK

 

[Minnie1222]

Did Johns Hopkins have a recent study on excess deaths from COVID? I thought I had seen a quote from their study, conducted by Dr. Genevieve Briand that had the following excerpt: "in contrast to most people's assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States."

Not sure where you read the article. I just want to clarify that this "research" by G. Briand had no associations with Johns Hopkins Medical School. Last I saw, the article was an op-ed in the JHU's News-Letter (a student-run publication independent of the university, with its main audience being undergraduate students). While this News-Letter was never held at the same standards as other JHU publications, the kids at its editorial board were bright enough to retract this article due to false and dangerous inaccuracies.

G. Briand is an Economist, not an infectious disease or a public health expert. Her excerpt should be "in contrast to most people's assumptions, the effect of COVID-19 on the economy is not alarming. In fact, it probably has the same economic effect that Yersinia pestis caused during the Black Death".

 

[n2mm]

"One Pfizer trial participant told CNBC that after the second shot, he woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth. “It hurt to even just lay in my bed sheet,” he said."

sounds like similar effects to my husbands recent shingles vaccine. Both times, 3 months apart. At least we know what to expect. We never get any reaction to our high dose flu shots, or our pneumonia shots. But the shingles shot kicked hubby’s butt. I’m due to get mine, but holding off as I just got my pneumonia shot last week And don’t want it to cause me not to be able to get the Covid vaccine.

 

[Starwind]

Did Johns Hopkins have a recent study on excess deaths from COVID? I thought I had seen a quote from their study, conducted by Dr. Genevieve Briand that had the following excerpt: "in contrast to most people's assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States."

Here is a media article in the New Haven Register fact checking/debunking that multiple ways:

https://www.nhregister.com/coronavi...ins-covid-mortality-study-briand-15764249.php

 

[o&smom]

"One Pfizer trial participant told CNBC that after the second shot, he woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth. “It hurt to even just lay in my bed sheet,” he said."

Yep, have heard that many people have worse side effects than most who actually get the virus, including myself and my family. Hope that it really protects those who are most vulnerable.

 

[jane01jp]

Yep, have heard that many people have worse side effects than most who actually get the virus, including myself and my family. Hope that it really protects those who are most vulnerable.

That would be good. I don't have any known allergies, and I am closing in on senior citizen status, so I will likely take it. Most of my teeth are chipped by now anyway.

 

[snappy]

sounds like similar effects to my husbands recent shingles vaccine. Both times, 3 months apart. At least we know what to expect. We never get any reaction to our high dose flu shots, or our pneumonia shots. But the shingles shot kicked hubby’s butt. I’m due to get mine, but holding off as I just got my pneumonia shot last week And don’t want it to cause me not to be able to get the Covid vaccine.

I got the second Shingrix shot late November, a lot more discomfort than the first one. I actually got the flu shot in the other arm in the same day when I got the first Shingrix shot and I was ok. The pharmacist recommended taking Tylenol when I got the second shot. I was glad I did.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I am pretty sure I had Covid in very early February before testing was a thing. The symptoms that are listed in this article were exactly what I had. It certainly makes me pause about getting the vaccine. I am last in the list of priorities anyway so I am sure much more will be known before my turn.

You could get a simple blood test to see if you have antibodies. I was very sick in March with several symptoms after a known exposure by a coworker and my test was negative. I was surprised; I thought for sure that I had it.

In our hospital's Q&A regarding the vaccine, they are recommending that any employee who had covid in the past still get the vaccine because it is unknown how long any immunity lasts, whether it was acquired naturally or by vaccine.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

Depending on where you are those 50-70K doses will not be held over to give those same workers a second dose. It is assumed more doses are on the way so they will use every one of each initial batch on individuals.

Edited to add this may change as we move later into 2021 as apparently we did not secure further pfizer doses apparently? Wild.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/sci...hance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357

If you read the entire article it says the reason for not locking into Pfizer was that at the time, it was not known which vaccine would be approved. Isn't that like the saying, Don't put all your eggs in one basket? Or also, Don't count your chicks before they hatch?
What if the Moderna vaccine was approved today but we were locked into so many with Pfizer? It's difficult to predict what will happen with research 6 months in advance.

It also says they still have the option to buy 500 million doses from Pfizer.

"Under its contract with Pfizer, the Trump administration committed to buy an initial 100 million doses, with an option to purchase as many as five times more."

So in the meantime, Moderna is expected to be approved later this month which will give the US another 85-100 million doses. Moderna to supply up to 125 million COVID-19 vaccine doses globally in first quarter | Reuters

Between these 2 companies alone, it would give a vaccine to every American who wanted one.

 

[jane01jp]

I saw in the New York Times that the experts think we need to continue to wear masks after being vaccinated, because we still might be contagious. This seems to be at odds with some previous guidance. Also, they asked us to get flu shots to protect others. What is it about getting a flu shot that protects others, but getting a coronavirus vaccine might not?

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I saw in the New York Times that the experts think we need to continue to wear masks after being vaccinated, because we still might be contagious. This seems to be at odds with some previous guidance. Also, they asked us to get flu shots to protect others. What is it about getting a flu shot that protects others, but getting a coronavirus vaccine might not?

1. We have several decades of data on the flu shot and its impacts on preventing spread. Long-term observational research isn't possible for a vaccine at inception, be it when we introduced the polio vax, or now with COVID-19. Suggesting the safest measures in the near-term is responsible.

2. Wearing masks could help during bad flu seasons.

 

[jane01jp]

1. We have several decades of data on the flu shot and its impacts on preventing spread. Long-term observational research isn't possible for a vaccine at inception, be it when we introduced the polio vax, or now with COVID-19. Suggesting the safest measures in the near-term is responsible.

2. Wearing masks could help during bad flu seasons.

So, was masking widespread in the early days of the polio vaccine? Any mandates? And, if wearing masks could help during bad flu seasons, would masks have been required anyway (that is, even if COVID had never existed)? We've never worn masks for bad flu seasons before.