The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[TeamRipper]

That makes perfect sense. Thanks! Can't hardly wait to morph into a guinea pig. They are so cute.

Thank you for making such a funny comment in an otherwise difficult thread, Sincerely.

 

[jrapps]

But then you don't want to respect the people who make the decision not to get it.

You are making a false generalisation. What makes you think I don't respect people who don't decide to get it? They're are people on this very forum who I completely disagree with, but 100% respect their decision, as I know they respect mine.

 

[DCLMP]

Royal submitted its plan for test cruises today. Is that for Florida cruises? I know they're are requiring vaccines for Alaska. If they are submitting plans for test cruises does that mean they are not for Florida? It's confusing, to say the least.

I'm following it closely because I'd like to cruise out of Florida in the coming months. I can't control what they require for my Europe trip next year, but I figure if I do have to get the jab for Europe. All you vaccinated people will be getting your third jab by then. They are already talking about boosters.

 

[AquaDame]

Maybe so, if you're heading out later in 2023.

 

[jrapps]

Royal submitted its plan for test cruises today. Is that for Florida cruises? I know they're are requiring vaccines for Alaska. If they are submitting plans for test cruises does that mean they are not for Florida? It's confusing, to say the least.

I'm following it closely because I'd like to cruise out of Florida in the coming months. I can't control what they require for my Europe trip next year, but I figure if I do have to get the jab for Europe. All you vaccinated people will be getting your third jab by then. They are already talking about boosters.

If you are referring to the story on the RCL blog...the title might be slightly misleading. I think first a cruise line has to seek approval for their port and medical agreements, and health and safety plans. I believe this is the step Royal is at. Once the CDC approves that, the next step would be to apply for test cruises. I don't believe Royal had actually submitted for a test cruise just yet.

From the article I read:
"Yesterday Royal Caribbean submitted the first of several port/health plans to the CDC which are required to receive approval for the simulated voyages which are required to precede approval for regular cruises."

They still haven't said anything about vaccines. I think there is an assumption that if a cruise line is doing test cruises, they won't require vaccines at all. I'm not sure that is correct. I can see a cruise line requiring vaccines for adults, but still needing to do test cruises if they feel they won't get to 95%.

Hopefully another week or two and this will all become clear

 

[randumb0]

If you are referring to the story on the RCL blog...the title might be slightly misleading. I think first a cruise line has to seek approval for their port and medical agreements, and health and safety plans. I believe this is the step Royal is at. Once the CDC approves that, the next step would be to apply for test cruises. I don't believe Royal had actually submitted for a test cruise just yet.

From the article I read:
"Yesterday Royal Caribbean submitted the first of several port/health plans to the CDC which are required to receive approval for the simulated voyages which are required to precede approval for regular cruises."

They still haven't said anything about vaccines. I think there is an assumption that if a cruise line is doing test cruises, they won't require vaccines at all. I'm not sure that is correct. I can see a cruise line requiring vaccines for adults, but still needing to do test cruises if they feel they won't get to 95%.

Hopefully another week or two and this will all become clear

For Cruises Departing from the U.S. or The Bahamas

For sailings departing on or before August 1, all Royal Caribbean guests age 16 and older must complete all doses of their COVID-19 vaccine at least 14 days before their sailing. For sailings departing after August 1, the age requirement for vaccination will change from 16 to 12 years of age.

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/...-covid-vaccine-to-cruise-what-counts-as-proof

 

[sullivan.kscott]

If you are referring to the story on the RCL blog...the title might be slightly misleading. I think first a cruise line has to seek approval for their port and medical agreements, and health and safety plans. I believe this is the step Royal is at. Once the CDC approves that, the next step would be to apply for test cruises. I don't believe Royal had actually submitted for a test cruise just yet.

From the article I read:
"Yesterday Royal Caribbean submitted the first of several port/health plans to the CDC which are required to receive approval for the simulated voyages which are required to precede approval for regular cruises."

They still haven't said anything about vaccines. I think there is an assumption that if a cruise line is doing test cruises, they won't require vaccines at all. I'm not sure that is correct. I can see a cruise line requiring vaccines for adults, but still needing to do test cruises if they feel they won't get to 95%.

Hopefully another week or two and this will all become clear

This is what I was thinking (could be wrong). If RCI were to do what they’re doing internationally, they wouldn’t hit the 95% threshold with kids on board. Yet their lines seem to be allowing kids (as do RCI’s domestically should Alaska go), so the test sailing would still apply. No way they start trying to figure out the threshold of under 12’s, worrying about what happens when a few elderly staterooms cancel and throw off the ratio, etc etc. Whereas NCL is 100% vaccine hard stop, possibly alienating a few families along the way.

As for Disney, Chapek already hinted at fall targets for cruising’s return. They’re currently focused on domestic parks and the rapidly changing situation, trying to increase offerings and hiring quickly before guest satisfaction tanks in the face of increased crowds. The company will soon have DLP to deal with a re-re opening phase, as well. Maybe they’re hoping that by fall or very late summer the CSO will have been effectively cancelled by the expiration of the CDC public health emergency declaration.

 

[Dug720]

This is what I was thinking (could be wrong). If RCI were to do what they’re doing internationally, they wouldn’t hit the 95% threshold with kids on board. Yet their lines seem to be allowing kids (as do RCI’s domestically should Alaska go), so the test sailing would still apply. No way they start trying to figure out the threshold of under 12’s, worrying about what happens when a few elderly staterooms cancel and throw off the ratio, etc etc. Whereas NCL is 100% vaccine hard stop, possibly alienating a few families along the way.

As for Disney, Chapek already hinted at fall targets for cruising’s return. They’re currently focused on domestic parks and the rapidly changing situation, trying to increase offerings and hiring quickly before guest satisfaction tanks in the face of increased crowds. The company will soon have DLP to deal with a re-re opening phase, as well. Maybe they’re hoping that by fall or very late summer the CSO will have been effectively cancelled by the expiration of the CDC public health emergency declaration.

I would hope that they are also working on their sailing protocols. Disney has one of the best health records of any cruise line (consistently high inspection scores, etc.). I would hate to see them be the line that has an outbreak because they scrimped on protocols.

I suspect that like with the park reopening, they are waiting until they are 99% sure of everything before they make any announcements.

 

[DCLMP]

Maybe so, if you're heading out later in 2023.

2023? They are getting them ready for this Fall.

 

[DCLMP]

This is what I was thinking (could be wrong). If RCI were to do what they’re doing internationally, they wouldn’t hit the 95% threshold with kids on board. Yet their lines seem to be allowing kids (as do RCI’s domestically should Alaska go), so the test sailing would still apply. No way they start trying to figure out the threshold of under 12’s, worrying about what happens when a few elderly staterooms cancel and throw off the ratio, etc etc. Whereas NCL is 100% vaccine hard stop, possibly alienating a few families along the way.

As for Disney, Chapek already hinted at fall targets for cruising’s return. They’re currently focused on domestic parks and the rapidly changing situation, trying to increase offerings and hiring quickly before guest satisfaction tanks in the face of increased crowds. The company will soon have DLP to deal with a re-re opening phase, as well. Maybe they’re hoping that by fall or very late summer the CSO will have been effectively cancelled by the expiration of the CDC public health emergency declaration.

I wonder what will happen when it gets down to 6 months and still not approved. That should be interesting.

 

[Intr3pid]

Pfizer's double dose is coming in at about 88% effective against the Indian variant:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/23/two...gainst-india-variant-english-health-body.html
The AstraZeneca shots are 60% effective - partly the reason why the variant has spread in India where the mRNA vaccines haven't been used much.

This is a UK study, and the country will proceed to lift most restrictions by June 21.

 

[mevelandry]

Thank you for making such a funny comment in an otherwise difficult thread, Sincerely.

Just trying to lighten the mood.

 

[mevelandry]

Royal submitted its plan for test cruises today. Is that for Florida cruises? I know they're are requiring vaccines for Alaska. If they are submitting plans for test cruises does that mean they are not for Florida? It's confusing, to say the least.

I'm following it closely because I'd like to cruise out of Florida in the coming months. I can't control what they require for my Europe trip next year, but I figure if I do have to get the jab for Europe. All you vaccinated people will be getting your third jab by then. They are already talking about boosters.

The last news I heard regarding this is that they are not quite convinced yet that we will need it (with the variants) but they are trying to be proactive just in case.

 

[AquaDame]

2023? They are getting them ready for this Fall.

I imagine they'll stagger them as they did the first set; maybe it'll go faster but I imagine the participants in the first study in autumn 2020 will get them first this autumn, followed by health workers etc, and then hit the rest of us sometime in 2023. If not though, great.

I wonder what will happen when it gets down to 6 months and still not approved. That should be interesting.

Don't you mean if..? Do you know something the rest of us don't..?

 

[DCLMP]

I imagine they'll stagger them as they did the first set; maybe it'll go faster but I imagine the participants in the first study in autumn 2020 will get them first this autumn, followed by health workers etc, and then hit the rest of us sometime in 2023. If not though, great.



Don't you mean if..? Do you know something the rest of us don't..?

The surgeon general said probably within a year. I think the plan has always been every year wether you need them or not. Like the flu shot. Fauci has stated Covid vaccines should be given down to 6 months. I don’t think its a big secret. I’m sure they’re are working on the next age group as we speak. Now wether parents go for that is a big if, but I have no doubt they’ll try it.

 

[orum]

I wonder what will happen when it gets down to 6 months and still not approved. That should be interesting.

I bet it will be approved for 18+ before it is available for emergency use for 6 month olds.

 

[Joe Brig]

Now that covid rates are way down and the fact that CDC is investigating reports of myocarditis in vaccinated young people. I would definitely think twice before forcing this vaccine on a healthy child, even if it means we can cruise.

 

[DCLMP]

I bet it will be approved for 18+ before it is available for emergency use for 6 month olds.

You would hope.

 

[orum]

Now that covid rates are way down and the fact that CDC is investigating reports of myocarditis in vaccinated young people. I would definitely think twice before forcing this vaccine on a healthy child, even if it means we can cruise.

Thank you, I had totally missed this news. It appears a they are not concerned enough to pause these vaccinations like they did for the Johnson and Johnson one. Great to see the CDC digging in deeper just in case. I found this article with more info.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...nflammation-in-young-covid-vaccine-recipients

 

[DCLMP]

Now that covid rates are way down and the fact that CDC is investigating reports of myocarditis in vaccinated young people. I would definitely think twice before forcing this vaccine on a healthy child, even if it means we can cruise.

Unfortunately, people won't think twice. I'm ok with getting the vaccine, but I'm not ok with my son getting it. I hope Disney does the right thing and keeps it at 18 and over.