The star wars spoiler thread

I love fun, simple movies (as well as more complex ones). There doesn't always need to be some twisted, multi-level plot so dense that the average movie goer is totally lost after a single viewing and leaves the theater with no desire to watch it a second time.

The worst thing about the prequels is that Lucas tried to make them into something that Star Wars was not. And George pretty much proved two very glaring points in making the prequels: he lost every shred of ability he might ever have had concerning directing, and he should stick to simpler story lines. The stories in the prequels were bad, but the acting…it was painful to watch at times. Attack of the Clones I pretty much refuse to watch any more. The "courting" scenes with Padme and Anakin should be used to torture war criminals. And George managed to make horrible acting sequences with some very good actors - Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor and Samuel Jackson are not slouches. Yet he managed to make them appear poor in their craft.

Abrams with the new cast, however, totally knocked it out of the park as far as that goes. I already know that I cannot wait to see more movies with Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo Ren. He absolutely killed it as far as picking the right people and having them deliver on screen in every scene that they are in. There was also such a focus on emotion in this movie. The plot was simple and a bit of a rehash but that is all I needed; to have someone open the door again into that wonderful, fantasy/sci-fi world that was Star Wars from 1977 and invite me back in. That is exactly what Abrams did and he did it masterfully.

I think a great comparison that can be made between the prequels and this sequel can be made in the light saber duals. I could watch the fight between Rey (or Finn) and Ren over and over again (and I probably will), and not because it is filled with amazing acrobatic sequences, but because of the emotion in that scene. You almost feed off of it as they struggle against each other. In comparison, the fight at the end of Episode III to me was soulless. It was filled with a ton of eye candy for sure, but it was essentially devoid of any feeling. And the worst part was that you could tell that Lucas could not figure out a way to end it. The sequence just went on and on and on until that fateful line by Kenobi - "I have the high ground!" I almost laughed out loud in the theater at that. After all of the dueling, swinging, climbing, jumping, dancing over lava, etc., it ends because Kenobi happens to be standing on dry land a little bit higher than Anakin was? It was horrible. But that sums up what was so great about TFA. It didn't have near as much eye candy as the prequels, and that is because it didn't need it to still be a great, fun movie.
 

I'm interested to see how much it makes on Christmas.

Someone said that Christmas Eve is usually not a strong day so it may not make it to $400 by the end of today, but I'm guessing it will pass $450 million domestic from Christmas.
 
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And the new one, well it's essentially the Star Wars supercut mega-mashup. I don't say that as a criticism. It's what Star Wars should be.

True enough ... but that's no excuse for repeating the same highly visible but unimportant plot details in trilogy after trilogy. Is it actually necessary for rollicking space adventures to ALWAYS find the next mystical warrior on a desert planet? Does every villain ALWAYS have an even more evil boss who phones in his instructions by hologram? Is the point of all space adventures to destroy a giant space station?

Science fiction may be hackneyed sub-literature for juveniles, but the whole point of it is, it's imaginative.

Possibly Abrams looked at episodes IV to VI, then compared them to episodes 1 to III and concluded, hey, I get it, the characters get older and evolve but the plot details never change, they just repeat every three movies.

But it wasn't the sci-fi genre that demanded repetitive plot details, it was George Lucas's laziness and utter lack of an artistic conscience.

In previous posts I tried to compare the Star Wars series favorably to movies like Francis the Talking Mule and Batman (or any fantasy/comic book movies series) because of the potential for a sweeping story arc. But I doubt if even the most lame, juvenile movie series from Flash Gordon to Batman ever repeated itself as blatantly, not even when they made re-boots. Even within the Star Wars canon - or non-canon - do the comic books and novels recycle the same plots over and over again? I doubt it.

Bottom line - I enjoyed the movie, it was very well written, acted and directed. I'm anxious to see the next movie in the series. But Abrams or whoever decided that it's a good idea to rob the exact same plot details from not just one but TWO previous trilogies really screwed the pooch.
 
I'll register my guesses...

$955 million by Sunday...

1.25 billion by January 3rd...

2 billion by February 1.


I think I'd bet the "over" on those numbers...even though they're my own.
Many are saying this will be the first 3 billion dollar movie.
 
Many are saying this will be the first 3 billion dollar movie.

I won't go there...

Maybe I'm harsh...but it's not good Enough for that kinda length.

The acting is very good though...so that could be compelling enough to get way more repeat business than the typical franchise popcorn movie.
 
I saw it on Saturday nite 10:30 with my family. I was in my late teens when the first movies came out and saw 1-4 then the previews just did not enthrall me. I may need to go back and watch all of them now. We all loved it. Yes, it is eerily similar and safely played to what came before but it was compelling and nostalgic. I loudly exclaimed the junk was Millennial Falcon.

A few random thoughts:

1) Did anyone else catch the hand that appeared and touched R2-D2 before he re-awakened?
2) Is the timing at all possible for Rey to be Vaders?
3) I have to agree that there has to be more with Finn too just can't quite figure that one out have read Landau's perhaps but I am not sure

Amazingly I want to see it again I know I missed things
 
Going again at 0900 in the morning tomorrow. My dad and brother came in to town for the holidays and haven't seen it yet. I said we should go Christmas morning since no one is coming over until late afternoon.

I had people trying to convince me of various plot lines tonight. Getting another look should help me confirm they are idiots. :-)

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When I saw Snope I thought Voldemort.
And Carrie Fisher spoke like she was afraid that if she moved her mouth her dentures would fall out.

But other than that I really enjoyed the movie, and I now want to learn more about the Star Wars universe as a newly converted fan.
 

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