The Running Thread--2024

Is there anything more annoying than finally having time for a run and not being able to do it? My power went out today at about 11:40am, and wasn’t predicted to be restored for 2 hours (which was bang on accurate) so it should’ve been a perfect time to just go run. But I didn’t want to go run without a guaranteed way to get clean afterward, and we have a well, so no power=no water 😭😭
 
June totals:

Running: 31.54 mi, 7:48:54
Walking: 33.25 mi, 15:11:00
Strength: 9 workouts, 2:59:33
Steps: 357,626

My running went way down due to the heat and not currently training for a race, but I focused on getting two Garmin walking badges (30 miles per month and 15 hours total), and I accomplished that! My dog was very happy. :) I also increased the number of strength workouts. I averaged about 2 per week, but need to increase that to 3 per week once I'm home from vacation.
 
QOTD: How is your running journey going so far this year? What momentum are you looking to keep for the next 6 months? What are some things you'll be happy to keep in the past? What are you looking forward to most for the remainder of the year?
I'm just barely returning to running but so far it's okay. I'm currently doing 1 run per week most weeks (some weeks I skip, some weeks I do 2), and I'd love to keep that up through the summer. TBD what happens after that. Just focusing on not putting any pressure on myself ... pressuring myself to run (or run faster/longer) is something I absolutely want to keep in the past.
 

ATTQOTD: Up until the end of May I would have said it was going well. But since the end of May, I've been in this gap between running my half marathon (in May) and the start of Dopey training in September and I've been in a bit of a rut where it's been way too easy to make excuses not to run or train. I think I'm going to sign up for a September/ October 10k so I have something to work towards.

On that note - here are my June running totals:
71km/ 42(ish) miles
13 runs
7:56 hours
 
ATTQOTD: Running has been going very well for the first half of the year. I knew after MW I needed to take some time to work on reestablishing my pacing and work on getting some slowly accumulated weight off. I skipped my spring ultra and instead dropped back to my general marathon plan, starting from week 1 and focusing on the pace structure.

I was able to establish a new PoT in a March half and had a successful marathon in mid-May. While this was going on, I also managed to drop 48 pounds. All in all, a successful first half of the year!

The second half of the year will start with surviving summer running while starting to ramp up for a 24 hour race in October. Three weeks after that I have W&D on the schedule and then on to Dopey!
 
This will be my first time doing the Harrisburg Marathon. I picked it because it is relatively close and looks like a flat course. I have not officially signed up yet as the next price increase is July 31. But I'm planning to be there. Hopefully we can meet up! I'd love to hear about your Wine and Dine experience from the week before.

I'm probably going to wait until the end of July as well. I've heard good things about the race. It's a drive for me (about 5+ hours), but it fits in the training plan and there are at least three other people from the Galloway customized training program that are committed and/or seriously thinking about it.
 
QOTD: How is your running journey going so far this year? What momentum are you looking to keep for the next 6 months? What are some things you'll be happy to keep in the past? What are you looking forward to most for the remainder of the year?
Running has been really solid, my body has held up well with the mileage and I have been feeling good. I'd like to take this moment to thank the universe and running gods for bestowing such favors upon me. 🌟💫 🤣

DH and I walk in the evenings after dinner (~2.25 miles) and for the past month, we added 12 pound weighted vests to the walk. That's been a nice way to add resistance to our training. I'd like to see this continue, as it seems to be working well.

Unfortunately, I did not meet my Corral A PoT attempt(s) for Marathon weekend this training cycle so I will keep working on it and see if I can make it happen for Princess Weekend. 🤞

June Summary
Running Miles: 140.1
Running Time: 26:12:03
YTD Mileage: 616.80

Walking Miles: 59.3 miles
 
June Running:
Total mileage: 68.8 miles
Average pace: 11:25/mi

Wow my mileage for the year is way down, compared to the past few years. I keep saying that's ok but I don't enjoy seeing it at the end of each month. Started training for an August 10k, getting some speedwork going again, and then after that it will be right into WDW Marathon training with a recycled DopeyBadger plan.
 
Quick question:

Looking at getting DS2 some sort of towel seat cover for his car (because super-sweaty summer running and then normal-sweaty XC and track season running.) Anyone have a recommendation for these? Sprints? Turtle towels? Costco "bath sheet" towel (or a beach towel) with some added elastic?
 
June Running Totals
Runs: 16
Miles: 80.64
Total Time: 14:00:02
Average Pace: 10:27
Average HR: 146

June Walking Totals
Walks: 12
Miles: 10.31
Total Time: 3:22:52

June Strength Training
Sessions: 0
Time: 0
:rotfl2:

Still hanging in there - running and walking are fine, though strength training is non-existent.

Legs are still really dead and tired - I'm thinking my latest pair of shoes is just junk. I need to go get fitted for some new ones, as I've been hunting down every last remaining pair of New Balance w890s that I can find and maybe I need something with newer technology, since I've been wearing 890s since I started running in 2012 and they were technically discontinued several years ago :P
 
Yes. It supersedes what was suppose to happen. So it's an either/or. You either hit the 30 sec time limit on the rep before you hit the predetermined finish line OR you hit the lap button and it moves you to the rest interval. You can always hit the lap button early in an interval and it'll move you to the next interval in sequence.

Same for hitting the lap button on a normal run. When I do my Jack/Jill route, its something like 17 total miles up and down the same hill that's about a mile in length. But from my house to the top of the hill is 0.5 miles. So it would be annoying to try and keep track of the uphill vs downhill splits when they'd always be split down the middle. So I hit the lap button at 0.5 miles into my run. It's just tracking 1 mile intervals like normal, so the next update on my splits will come at 1.5 miles not 1.0 miles. This way I can track the pace variance of each of the ups separate from the downs.



Yes for the most part. When I write plans for others, I'll either use Daniels R value, or just mile pace. They tend to be close for most but not all. My R pace was 5:43 or 39s 200s. When I actually carried out the plan I was doing 150m splits which were around 30s, 300m splits around 60s, 450m splits around 90s, and 600m splits around 120s. So I was scheduled for 5:43 pace, but I was being consistent with around 5:14 pace. Since I was consistent, then I kept working in that area. I did do two workouts with Daniels Interval reps beyond 1000m in the 5:45 range as well.

But when I write training plans I don't tend to write them in distance per se. Rather I calculate what that person's R pace distance would be for 30, 60, 90, and 120 seconds. Then I tell Person A to do (100, 100, 200) and Person B to do (200, 200, 400) but if Person A and B compared their plans they may find that their workouts are the same (60, 60, 120) just as an example. Somewhere in the 3rd edition book Daniels suggests not going beyond 2 min of R pace.



Around 2-3 min at the soonest. So whatever distance you cover in 2-3 min is the distance that I'd start to trust the GPS as more reliable than <2 min. There's always caveats where GPS can be inaccurate for other reasons. But for the purpose of collecting enough data that I'm satisfied in looking at it, it's going to be around 2-3 min of distance.
Thank you once again Billy for your help. The interval speed sessions are going really well and I feel like I'm getting faster based on how long it's taking me to run the 200s.

I'm planning on using the Hanson's Marathon Training Plan for Dopey 2025 and I'm having difficulty figuring out how to utilize the timed approach for the Speed SOS workouts when it calls for something like 8x600 with 400 meter recovery. Would you increase the recovery to match the distance for the intervals or use some other approach?
 
My June was pretty good and I kicked off training for my September 10K. I started a new strength program for the summer and have been really aiming to increase the weights I'm using.

This week I've just been tired. I'm making it a reduction week. Instead of 3 miles yesterday I did 30 minutes. My legs were tired and maybe I should've fueled better? Today I'm still tired and with the holiday tomorrow, I'm debating whether to do another easy 30 minutes or focus on speedwork.
 
I'm planning on using the Hanson's Marathon Training Plan for Dopey 2025 and I'm having difficulty figuring out how to utilize the timed approach for the Speed SOS workouts when it calls for something like 8x600 with 400 meter recovery. Would you increase the recovery to match the distance for the intervals or use some other approach?

No reason you need to adjust the workouts. The Hanson's Marathon Plan Speed SOS in the Advanced plan is an escalating set of 5k paced workouts.

12x400 (400m RI)
8x600 (400m RI)
6x800 (400m RI)
5x1000 (400m RI)
4x1200 (400m RI)
Ladder
3x1600 (400m RI)
6x800 (400m RI)
3x1600 (400m RI)

Luke decided on manipulating the length of distance of each interval in an increasing manner. He is keeping the RI length, pace, and total mileage of the paced portion (~3 miles) static. The 5k pace is not a physiological pace, and is instead based on effort over time (distance). So it's fine not to use a time based approach and instead a distance based approach. In a Hanson's marathon plan not found in the book meant for runners comfortably doing 60-80mpw, they do manipulate this series of workouts by increasing the total mileage of the paced portion on occasion to 4-5 total miles of 5k paced work. One could argue this is because then these people are doing a similar amount of time based work as those who are slower doing the Advanced plan. It's something I'll manipulate with others as well. For slower runners I may do 8x400m, for faster runners 12x400m and for the even faster ones 16-20x400m. It's a completely reasonable series of workouts based on the rest of the Hanson's Marathon Training plan and doesn't need to be adjusted.
 
I need to go get fitted for some new ones, as I've been hunting down every last remaining pair of New Balance w890s that I can find and maybe I need something with newer technology, since I've been wearing 890s since I started running in 2012 and they were technically discontinued several years ago :P

I feel your pain. I just retired my last pair of NB870s and had to switch to a new shoe after coming up dry on similar searches. The good news is that I did find another shoe - and am now in the process of buying every one of those that I can find since I went with an older model.
 
Totally OT: I was "chuffed" to watch the Manx Missile, aka Mark Cavendish, win his record-breaking 35th stage of the Tour de France this morning at the "ripe old age" of 39 (the joy of being retired--watching live TdF while strength training). It was a master class in how to win a sprint, and shows that it's not always youth and brawn that wins. Sometimes it's experience and mind-blowing commitment. Chapeau!
 














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