The Running Thread -- 2022

ATTQOTD:
When I was young I felt invincible and ran at any time, day or night, city or town. The only place I had lived where I really felt unsafe was Salt Lake City, because there seemed to be *nobody* on the street at night at all. I felt like a van could come by, stop, scoop you up, and nobody would ever know (this was the 90's before there were video cameras everywhere).

Definitely not the case here in SLC anymore, except certain suburban neighborhoods on Sunday mornings. ;)

That said, I do 90-95% of my training on the treadmill and when I do run outside it's during daylight. In fact, I think I've only run a handful of times in the dark with a training group I was in pre-Covid, aside from pre-dawn Disney races, of course.
 
ATTQOTD: I run with people as much as possible. There used to be a couple mornings that I would run by myself, but now a few others have joined me for those runs. We stick to well lit streets.
 
the 10k is definitely the worst distance. Too short to pace and too long to sprint. Its twin is the Olympic distance triathlon for the same reasons.
Agreed!!!
I'm almost positive I'm going to delete Strava after this incident because I don't really need it because of my Garmin and don't need random people to see where and when I run.

You can pretty much lock your Strava down like you can other social medias. You can set it up so people have to request to follow you, and you can only allow people you *know* to see what you're doing, and you can hide the maps as well.
I think if you lock down Strava like this you can’t qualify for “legend” awards or see your stats in comparison to others on the same route. Which is fine for me but just in case it matters to someone!
 
Such a huge trigger for me, since something similar happened in my neighbourhood just a few weeks ago. It took me a few days to run without looking over my shoulder, but I try not to think about it. There isn't much I could do if it happened.

On the bike path where I do most of my running, a skateboarder was shot dead by a mentally ill person who went on a killing rampage in Montreal.

Since I also do a lot of my winter running at night or in the early morning, I mostly run by myself in the dark. I wear a headlamp and bright neon clothes. I couldn't handle the treadmill for most of the time so I need to go outdoors. I also put my Strava runs as private to only ppl who follow me.
 

I'm not sure what exactly happened, but I'm getting to a point where I'll need to decide between running on the treadmill or outside in the dark. The area surrounding me is residential, but with no sidewalks and mediocre at best lighting. I might also try having a snack at work, so I can try running between when my husband gets home and we have dinner.
I've also been thinking about running safety for when I'm in Brazil at the end of November. I need to ask about safety, but if I end up not feeling safe going on my own, my husband might get roped into Dopey training for 3 weeks, even though he'll be training for the half.
 
ATTQOTD: I'm answering this for runs after dark.
  • I run in our residential neighborhood, which is all closely packed houses and there are sidewalks. I only run on the sidewalks and only cross streets at crosswalks.
  • I wear a reflective vest, LED lights on front and back, and knuckle-lights instead of a headlamp. There are streetlights on most of the streets, but they don't illuminate the sidewalks well enough for me to run on them and not trip.
  • I don't wear earbuds/headphones - I enjoy the outdoor noises, such as they are, and relative quiet.
  • I use Garmin livetrack, which my husband (usually at home) gets. I carry my phone with me.
  • I try to stay aware of my surroundings. There are always some people out, walking back from bus/metro or walking their dogs. If someone seems a bit off, I keep an eye on them and cross to the other side of the street, take a turn, etc.
Fortunately, I've never really had anything I've been worried about.

Some of you mentioned running at the HS track. I do that sometimes in the dark, depending on the type of run I'm doing. I've only ever been creeped out by someone's behavior at the track...the track is not lit, but the lights from the adjacent parking lot provide some light. Even so, it's dark enough that I bring my knuckle-lights to illuminate my path, and wear my vest and LED lights to let others know I'm there. There are people that show up and run and/or walk on the track in the dark with no lights...very freaky to hear someone pounding up behind you and then some guy in runner's gear zooms by. Once I know they are there, I can sort of plan for them to pass again. If you run on a dark track, please wear lights!
 
ATTQOTD: I've been debating if I answer or not because I don't have anything novel to share but I think it's good for me to help normalize that safety is a daily concern for many runners. I've had a few close calls in the last year so I pretty much run the same "safe" route every time. I know that makes me a bit predictable, but I've given up on running the other direction. Even this route is only done in the daylight, never before sunrise or after sunset. There have been a few instances in the twilight hours where I felt best to just turn around so now I run with the sun (or on the treadmill if I really need to).

Depending on the weather and how many other runners will be out, I may go out a bit further than normal but if I suspect I could end up on my own on the trails less traveled, I'll stick to the two mile loop nearby and however many laps that takes.

I always take my phone, but that's in case of any medical emergencies. It does make my husband feel better about my safety. I fear it makes me a bigger target but I doubt anyone really wants my 5 year old phone and I'll gladly give it to them if they do.

If you had asked this question a few years ago, my answer would have been completely different. I never ran with my phone and my biggest safety concern was slipping on ice. Live and learn, I suppose. I also lived in a somewhat remote subdivision in a small town so it was a totally different situation.
 
Been thinking a lot about safety. It’s always top of mind.

I try to run with others as much as I possibly can
When it’s dark, I have my nox gear and head lamp
One of the girls in my club recently said that she doesn’t put her nox gear vest on the pink setting because it may identify her as a woman
I always have my phone on me
I tell people where and when I’m going
I allow friends and family to see my location via phone
Headphones on very low so I can hear around me
Pepper spray
I try to stay in well lit/busy areas
If it’s a late or early run alone, I stick to main roads where people will hear me scream
Strava and Garmin settings private/only visible to my followers (all of whom I know personally)
Sharing run information on social media (also private) only after the run is over - never real time
 
Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention - I stopped running in headphones years ago, and these days I remain shocked at how much I hear/notice that I missed when I wore headphones. I always keep in mind that anything that makes me distracted - nose in a phone, headphones - makes me an easier target, so I actively stay aware of everything I possibly can.

Over-ear bone-conduction headphones are a neat solution to this if you still want to listen to music. I didn't care for them, but appreciate their function.
 
Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention - I stopped running in headphones years ago, and these days I remain shocked at how much I hear/notice that I missed when I wore headphones. I always keep in mind that anything that makes me distracted - nose in a phone, headphones - makes me an easier target, so I actively stay aware of everything I possibly can.

Over-ear bone-conduction headphones are a neat solution to this if you still want to listen to music. I didn't care for them, but appreciate their function.

This is a big one. Headphones ruin my run anyway but I want to hear my surroundings. From a safety perspective I think more about hearing cars passing (on the rare occasion I'm not running against traffic) and bikes passing than being attacked but that is also a factor.

There are a few parks around here that have APT trails and when I'm passing a walker I yell, and loudly, in advance, go as wide as I can, and still startle about 40% of them. Sure enough those I startle have ear buds in.

More than any other single thing you can do, other than not run, running without headphones is the best ROI from a safety perspective in my opinion.
 
Safety is always top if mind, but I’d gotten to a point where I was aware, but not fearful. I value time to myself, so while I run with friends, I really love solo runs.

Between this, and my good friend getting hit and killed by a car on a run back in May, I’m struggling - especially with the solo runs in the quiet mornings. Morning that are getting darker by the day.

I use aftershokz, always carry my phone, and always have an “out” in mind (closest house, person, phone pulled out to manage a car, animal, or sketchy human).

I also have a She’s birdie alarm. I mostly carry it when running near my parents house in bear country. But will start carrying it all the time now.
 
I live in a tiny town (maybe 700-800 people) in the middle of nowhere. There isn't a stoplight within 45 miles. Most my miles are along very rural highways, sometimes on an hour run I see Less than five vehicles) so more of my worries come from careless drivers or wildlife (rattlesnakes mostly). If dark I wear led lights. I always tell someone one my long run plans and when I should I be back, especially since cell reception is iffy quite a bit. I know alot of people who drive pass me, I never have seen any on foot. Though I wonder if I am complacent.
 
I was the victim of a carjacking/attempted kidnapping almost 30 years ago, and that experience colors everything about how I live my life in public. Not much of it is any kind of thought-out safety plan: it's probably 80% trusting my instincts for self-preservation and 20% chronic PTSD. The short version of the story is that a man I didn't recognize came up to my car window, my door was unlocked, he violently tried to shove me over into the passenger seat, I fought my way out with no memory at all of how, and he took off with my car.

The not-so-great takeaway from that experience is constant vigilance and surveillance: I am ludicrously aware of my surroundings and expend an awful lot of mental energy watching people's movements/expressions. I notice things most don't, for better or for worse. I knew something wasn't right with that car situation - there were many red flags before I was in the danger zone, but didn't trust my instincts. I do now and I simply remove myself immediately from any situation that feels wrong. And yes, I lock my car (and home, and hotel room) doors IMMEDIATELY upon entering a vehicle.

The good takeaway is that I DID get out, even if I don't remember how. I was bruised and sore after, so I know I had to fight, and I take comfort in knowing that I did: I'm not one who freezes. (As evidenced in an active shooter drill at work, in which I blacked out and am told I threw a mug at the head of the pretend attacker and used the distraction to run from the room. I no longer participate in those drills. Thanks PTSD?!) My honest view is that you can take precautions, and you can fight like hell, and there's still an element of luck involved in how things turn out. It infuriates me when attacks happen and the messaging immediately turns to how women should change their behavior, rather than what should be done to stop the perpetrators.

I'm truthfully more worried about a run-in with a coyote, alligator, rabid raccoon, or loose dog, or the statistically very probable possibility of being hit by a car, than being abducted on a run. I wear a sharp self-protection ring thing in the dark, only because I can't see as far in the dark to notice danger as early as in the light and I know I'll stab first, ask questions later, if attacked by anything. I wear a headlamp so I can see an area a few yards around me in spots without streetlights. I leave a note at home saying where I'll be running and when I expect to be home. I've got a number of safe spots identified on my routes, so I know where to run from various spots if I feel threatened. The luck part comes in the form of a neighborhood with lots of foot and vehicle traffic, plenty of sidewalks, dense residential and commercial buildings, and a bunch of people I don't technically "know", but who I see regularly on my runs and their walks/runs/bike rides and trust I can summon for help.

A story about how to make others feel UNsafe... as I was running in the dark one evening, lit up with blinky lights and headlamp, in a parking lot that abuts a road, a car traveling the opposite side of the road crossed to my side and slowed next to me. I moved over into the parking lot far enough to feel safe and the man driving rolled down his window - I recognized him as a non-threat neighbor. He - sitting there on the wrong side of a 2-way road, told me "a young lady like you" shouldn't be out in the dark because it's "not safe!" I smiled and told him "men like you shouldn't slow down to stalk a female in the dark in a concealed carry state!" He blinked da couple times, rolled up his window and drove off. Message received. (I don't actually carry BTW - but I'm willing to bet plenty of others do around here.)
 
Princess V, there wasn't really an appropriate button for "hugging" your post, but thank you for sharing your story.

On my run this morning, and because I'm reading Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire to my kids, all I could think was "constant vigilance."

And it's not fair that is how we must live our lives.
 
My honest view is that you can take precautions, and you can fight like hell, and there's still an element of luck involved in how things turn out. It infuriates me when attacks happen and the messaging immediately turns to how women should change their behavior, rather than what should be done to stop the perpetrators.
All of this.

And I'm so sorry you had that experience when you were younger.
 
. So, my QOTD:

What do you do to stay safe while running? How do you make others feel safe while you’re running?
For me, this depends where I am. At home, I honestly don't do much. My area is very safe and nothing in my neighborhood has ever made me feel unsafe. My biggest concern is cars not seeing me at intersections and off-leash dogs. I have a warmup walk and cooldown that I don't track on strava so even without hiding my start/end points, I was already hiding them. Like a couple of other people above, I say hi to everyone and have been running in this area for years so I "know" almost everyone I encounter. Even got most of those I see trained to tell me good morning before I even get to them now! My work schedule dictates my running schedule so it varies with early mornings, evenings, and afternoons even once it cools off some. And it's different week to week. While I cover a lot of the same ground, my route over that ground varies. I don't always take my phone but I will carry it on my longer runs - basically if I wear my hydration vest I take my phone. I don't wear headphones.
At our other house, I take more precautions. Again, I worry more about cars than anything because I am forced to run on the road. But, it is rural. I see way fewer people and help might not be easy to come by if I needed it. There, I am much more aware of my own safety. I also drive to various start points and I'm not there regularly so I'm not predictable. I always take my phone. I don't wear headphones. It's also a low crime area but there are just fewer witnesses around, so I am aware that it is not as safe of an environment.
If I am traveling for work, I prioritize having a treadmill so that I have an out if the area doesn't feel safe. Or, I just don't plan to run, especially if I am on vacation.
 
QOTD: I run with my Noxgear when it’s dark outside and do not assume that car will avoid me. Since the beginning of that discussion, I started getting advertisements for said running lights. Apparently on sale until tomorrow.
 












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