The Running Thread - 2021

QOTD:
What does the recovery period after a marathon look like for you? What are your go-to things you do?
I’ve only done 1 full, but immediately after finishing, I tried to rehydrate with water and Gatorade. Ice bath for my legs when I got back to the hotel, which I think was amazingly helpful in recovery. I tried to eat, took a short nap and then walked around the parks.
I think continuing to move that day and the ice bath made all of the difference for me.
 
Race report: MountainOne Steel Rail Marathon

A small local half that has been running almost ten years ran their inaugural full marathon today 10/3/21

The short story - great race!

The long story - 55* and cloudy at the start, 55* and cloudy at the finish, a bit humid but really near perfection on a shaded bike path running through the Berkshires by some beautiful mountains and lakes.
I went into this as my ‘A’ race looking for a sub 4 marathon. My training is my own version of what works for me based on Galloway and runDisney as well as the large amounts of info posted here by @DopeyBadger. I’ve kept my running going through all the cancellations and am currently at 5 miles M-Th with a long run on Saturday. 90% are continuous even though I use intervals for PR attempts. My plan today was run 2:30 and walk :30 with a running pace between 7:45 and 8 with fuel every 3.5 miles.
The race was capped at 100 for the full, 300 for the half, 100 for an 8k with different start times, and at some point all 500 would be spread out over the miles. The support from volunteers and local police was fantastic! Water, Gatorade, and Gu packs ~every 2 miles and about a half dozen road crossings where no one waited, any and all traffic was stopped for even one lone runner.
What happened? I started way too fast, but that’s not quite as big a problem with intervals as without. Just slow down… oops still fast at mile 3…
OK, let’s see how much I can push it, so slowed a bit and went for it a little faster than planned, stuck to my fuel, and made sure to get water EVERY stop. Let’s see where the wall is…
Mile 24, oof the last couple miles were when I found out that I wasn’t going to leave anything out there, but by then it was too late, I win! No wall is going to beat me with only 2 to go.
Absolutely crushed it!

Former PR 4:22
Race goal 3:59:xx

New PR 3:48:43

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Holy smokes! What a huge PR! Congratulations!
 
Marathon du P’tit train du nord race report 🚂

I registered for this race in 2019, trained for it in 2020 when it was cancelled 16 days prior and finally ran it today, October 3rd 2021!

Packet pick-up was at a sporting store. The runners had to present their vaccine passport (it is the law here, those who don’t have proof of vaccination will get their bib and medal shipped to them after the race for a virtual version) to get into the area and a bracelet was put on their wrist to prove that this validation had been done. I got my bib and shirt very rapidly. It was super efficient and the volunteers were cheerful.

The rest of the race logistics was also impeccable. They had to spread the event over two days (half on Saturday and full on Sunday) to respect the current rules.

This is a point to point course on a linear path where there used to be train tracks. It is a slight down hill the entire way.

I drove to the arrival site and boarded the bus bringing us to the start area. They had announced rain all week but the only time I got some was while in the car. It was a gorgeous Fall day, the conditions for running cannot get better than that.

The starting area had two pre-departure sections where they would get the next corrals ready. Each wave was limited to 250 participants, as per regulations. I was in the 8 out of 12 corral so, at 8:35AM it was my turn to pass the starting line. We were reminded to take off our mask a minute before that.

After consulting and discussing with coach Billy, I had settled on conservative and achievable objectives for my third marathon, my first with a time goal which we set to 4:20:00. That is half an hour above what would be optimal performance, because my training peak had been clipped.

The race plan was steady pace @ 6:09/km except a bit faster km 10-15 and a bit slower km 27-30 to adjust to the grade of the course. To account for walking the water stops and stopping for potential port-a-potty breaks, I had to run between my long run pace 5:55/km and my easy pace 6:05/km. It was easy to spot someone that was doing the same. In general, I found that using unofficial pacers like that really helped me not going too fast, or at least not faster if I was going too fast.

I realized that I prefer running in a tourist kind of way, taking pictures along the way and cheering the supporters, more than focusing on time. The thing is though, even if I was taking selfies and texting them 📱, it is uncanny how well I can follow a race plan: Average paces were 6:07, 6:07, 6:12, 6:05 for an overall of 6:08! Apparently, I am also enjoying myself more than I think because I got so many people commenting on my smile while running.
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There were a surprising amount of supporters and volunteers spread along the course and I greatly appreciated their presence and cheers. But the best were a cousin and his family that I had not seen in years who came to cheer me. My cousin had run the half yesterday and was waiting for me at km 42. He ran a hundred fifty meters with me and let me go through the finish. It gave me wings and will remain the highlight of this marathon forever.

Official time is 4:18:51 which is a PR by over 31 minutes.

After I said goodbye, I grabbed my bag and the provided snacks: Water, juice boxes, banana, apple, chocolate, protein bars and granola.

I was welcomed home with balloons and flowers, thanks to DH and DDs.
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Huge congratulations on your huge PR! Such a pretty course!
 
Congratulations to everyone out there who had a race this weekend and gave it their all, regardless of the end result. I've had races where everything was set to line up perfectly and then I completely fell apart and I've had races where everything was not lined up perfectly and I had a great race. At the end of the day, I think it's important to keep perspective. And that perspective includes the cumulative benefit of exercise even if race day fell apart and the willingness to share the bad days as well as the good days. It's easy to think that running is all cool bling and exhausted, happy people smiling about a PR when it's just as much about the will to prepare and keep going even when what you hoped isn't happening.

ATTQOTD Marathon Recovery: I like a cold water 20 minute leg soak after the race. I've either never been able to find ice at the resort or just want to get off my feet for a while so I just the cold water and go. I usually have a powerade and Snickers right there to start the refuel and rehydration. A nice warm shower and then I head to the parks. I'm now a huge fan of wearing compression socks as part of my recovery. I find that it helps reduce the soreness. The parks are always a mix of short lines and lots of sit down shows. I have found that the soreness is far less intense the day after a race if my recovery also involved being in the parks. I like to either keep moving at my own pace without a lot of standing up or shows/rides long enough to help me rest, but too so long as to tax already sore legs.

That first post race meal is always difficult because I'm not completely sure what I will actually feel like eating until 4 or 5 hours later after the race, but I definitely do not want to wait that long. I think the best recommendation I have on that front is choose your restaurant based on dessert. That way I know one thing I really want and then let the rest fall into place.

After my first marathon, I was still really sore through Tuesday although each day brought reduced soreness. I felt minimal to no soreness at all on Wednesday. I definitely think that moving after the race(s) really helps accelerate post race recovery because the stiffness has a more difficult time accompanying the soreness when you're active.

For non Disney races, I try a 20-30 minute slow walk later that day. It helps.
 

Race Report: Run for Kelli 5k

Now that I see all these marathon race reports, it reminds me that I also have a race report from this past weekend. It was a small, local 5k that I had done in the past, but I thought it was all virtual like last year, so I didn’t register. But I saw the signs out on the race course on Saturday, so I went online, and sure enough, in addition to the virtual option, there was an in-person portion of the race on Sunday morning (and bonus, it was USATF certified). Since my wife has been running quite a bit during the pandemic as well, I asked her if she wanted to do it last minute... “sure, why not?”

So, what did we do for our pre-race routine? Well, we already had some dinner plans with another family, so we joined them, ate sushi, and drank three bottles of wine between the four adults at the table. Seems like the perfect night-before plan!

So, as we are waiting at the starting line with about 5 minutes to go, we decided we should probably have a race strategy, and it went something like this...
“maybe we should just jog this one”
“yeah, probably wise”
“actually, maybe we treated as a tempo run to get somewhat of a workout”
“no, I’m thinking about racing it”
“me too, I want to see what I can do”
“hmmm... but I have no idea what my race pace is”
“me neither”
“want to run together?”
“that’s probably not wise”
“well, the start gun is about to sound... let’s just each go all out and see what happens”
“okay, bye”
...BANG... and we’re off

Only 109 finishers at this race. As much as we had no clue how to run it, we both actually both had pretty darn consistent pacing and didn’t leave much in the tank. My wife’s time was 24:32 (7:54 avg pace), and I finished in 21:46 (7:00 avg pace). We ended up placing 5th and 20th overall, both 4th by gender, and both won our age groups (40-49 for her, and 50-98 for me - not a typo, that was what they announced, although there were definitely no 98 year-olds out there)!

Quite a successful last minute outing. We decided that sushi and three bottles of wine might be the key to a great race!!
 
ATTQOTD recovery:
In the first hour after the race, I drink, eat, walk and stretch. I am usually not hungry and start with whatever doesn’t gross me out. Usually Gatorade, banana, chips/nachos, Oreo. I skip the alcohol until I am fully rehydrated if I ran a very long race. At Disney, I get my checked bag if I have one and wait to take pictures with the characters. In general, I hang around the site and enjoy the entertainment if there is some. Depending on the settings and the temperature, I change into dry clothes.

Pretty soon after that, I try to get a real meal. Sometimes the race provides one, sometimes I go to a restaurant on my way back. At Disney, I like to grab a Mickey Waffles kid platter with the chocolate milk after getting off the bus. Then, if there is a pool available, I like to float in it for a while. Water is like compression everywhere. I stretch some more in the pool.

Sorry if TMI: The night after, my body sometimes kicks into a recovery overdrive. So I make sure to have a change of pyjama available and plan to change the sweaty sheets the day after.

I also carry everything needed to attend surprise “injuries” like bumps, scratches, cuts, blisters, chaffed skin, damaged nails : Zip bags to put ice in them, Polysporin Complete Ointment, Second skin, Nail scissors and other type of shoes.

The one or two weeks after I do not run but walk a lot although I usually feel normal after one of two days.
 
Runners are so dumb. And by runners, I mean me.

After cursing the marathon up and down on Sunday, today I'm trying to figure out if I can do three marathons next year (disney, spring, and fall) to make Dopey 2023 my tenth marathon on the tenth anniversary of my first marathon (disney 2013).

I think I could keep doing marathons if I don't go into them with any expectations to do well. 😄
 
Runners are so dumb. And by runners, I mean me.

After cursing the marathon up and down on Sunday, today I'm trying to figure out if I can do three marathons next year (disney, spring, and fall) to make Dopey 2023 my tenth marathon on the tenth anniversary of my first marathon (disney 2013).

I think I could keep doing marathons if I don't go into them with any expectations to do well. 😄

Perhaps you’re putting too much pressure on yourself. You are the only one who can define what “do well” means for any of your marathons. The marathon is a massive undertaking by any measure and it’s only made harder when performance expectations are laid on top of it. If you really want to hit your anniversary milestones as an A goal, wouldn’t “complete 3 marathons in 2022” constitute “doing well”? It might allow you to relax a bit during the races and enjoy the experience rather than feeling like you have to push for a time goal while still making tangible progress towards your ultimate goal.
 
Quick question: would you guys go to a playoff game the night before a for fun marathon?
I would not. The 3 marathons I have run were all "fun" meaning to me finish upright with a smile on my face. At my age (64) and fitness level (moderate) even a fun marathon takes pretty much everything I have. I cannot afford to be at anything but max readiness. I am also a creature of habit and have a specific routine I follow in the days before; nothing elaborate but a playoff game would get me off my game in terms of sleep and nutrition/eating.
 
Quick question: would you guys go to a playoff game the night before a for fun marathon?
Having not run my first marathon yet, I'd not only be worried that I would suffer on race day, but also that I wouldn't enjoy the playoff game enough to make it worthwhile. But a more experienced runner might have a lower stress level and find it more worthwhile.
 
@dis_or_dat that is a tough one. I know you are capable to run Boston strong even if not going for time. I also think if you did ever want to go back and do Boston, you will be able to qualify. I personally think you will do Boston again. Maybe not 2022 or 2023 but maybe 2024. So if you want to go to the game i say go.

On that note good luck and have a ton of fun.
 
Quick question: would you guys go to a playoff game the night before a for fun marathon?
I went to a football game Saturday night before my marathon on Sunday. I got about 4 hours of sleep. 😁 I was definitely tired by the end, but I had fun, the race had a lot of energy, and I had friends to run with!
Also, don’t they say that you need to try and get good sleep two nights before a race, because you may not sleep well the night before a race???
 












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