The "rippling" effect is starting

[salmoneous]

I am glad someone else corrected that old wife's tale before I got there! Why can't we leave the poor lemmings alone! They need a new PR rep!

Since Disney is more responsible than anyone for the myths, I think they *owe* it to the lemmings to make it up to them. Just use one for the "wacky sidekick" character in a movie and call it even.

 

[JimMIA]

We have seen no mad rush to unload points. We have had some calls from some heavy-hitters inquiring about selling but no takers so far. I believe most are going to take the "wait and see" position.

Regards,
Tom

Boy, do we have a prospect for you, Tom!

Provided rinkwide doesn't marry him off to a sweet young princess first, that is...

 

[BeccaG]

Since Disney is more responsible than anyone for the myths, I think they *owe* it to the lemmings to make it up to them. Just use one for the "wacky sidekick" character in a movie and call it even.

If I were there agent I would demand an official apology, reparations, and pool hopping privileges!

 

[gmboy95]

I am no lawyer....but when you have a contract...the minute you are willing to "bend" a rule...the rule itself becomes null and void, especially at the levels that the rule was " bended"

 

[fwm]

....but when you have a contract...the minute you are willing to "bend" a rule...the rule itself becomes null and void

That statement is not correct.

In any event, no one actually knows to what extent the rules were enforced in the past, or how, or even if the rules will be enforced in the future. Perhaps DVCs message was to serve as a reminder of what the rules are.

 

[Dan Murfman]

I am no lawyer....but when you have a contract...the minute you are willing to "bend" a rule...the rule itself becomes null and void, especially at the levels that the rule was " bended"

Great I knew Disney couldnt do all this. Let us know what they say when you tell them this.

 

[Sammie]

The rules did not change, Disney's reaction to the abuse of the rules did.

I am truly surprised how few of you that go to Disney often have not realized by now how they think and react. Doc gets it, so does Liferbabe and Jim.

They are not doing any of this for us, the Members, they are doing this for them. Something has occured that either has cost them money or time because time is money.

That is about the only things they react too.

My guess would be "Why Buy When one Can Rent" so cheaply.

Or "I am going to sell my points because I can't book my home resort at BWV and BCV at 11-8 months especially during Food and Wine."

I mean I would like to think that as Members they listen to us but the realistic part of me know they are a huge corporation that listens to the money talk.

 

[Spine_DR]

Sammie you hit it on the head, being a Disney World fanatic like many other fellow DIS board members I like to idealize Disney but in the end its about profit. As stated DVC wont make any changes until they see a significant change in money flow one way or the other.

 

[tomandrobin]

I vote its for the money................

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

 

[Dis13]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but look at it this way.

In one of the current threads, someone posted that one of the Commercial Renters has 1521 positive feedback posts.

Say 1500 renters rented for five nights (Sun to Fri). If those same 1500 renters booked rooms from CRO for $300 per night, for five nights, the amount Disney has lost is $2,250,000.

Is my math correct?




(edited number of nights from 3 to 5 )

 

[Dean]

No, the rules didn't change, but when MS was allowing you to do that, they were "bending" the rules that were originally in the POS. Now they have chosen to start following them rather than bending them. No one is really sure why, but it appears it might be to quell a rental loophole.

Actually the rules did change in 2003 both to allow multiple transfers in one direction and banking of transferred points. Plus I'd agree with gmboy95 that repeated enforcement in one way MAY effectively change the rules though usually only if it's to the advantage of the other party. Certainly that's true when bylaws are concerned.

 

[CarolA]

I find it interesting that there are 2 small point contracts listed as for sale on the Timeshare Store's website. Both are $94/pt, but neither is stripped. Even so, usually these contracts seem to get snapped up and are initially posted as "sale pending."

Keep in mind there are a LOT of current owners who add on 50 points at a time. I am "Suppose" to be on a list at TSS for a small BCV contract. (I have been on it for a year, so either it's not an effective list, no one has sold anything in my year or it's an ineffective list. Sorry Tom, but I think it's the latter) I am also on the list with at least one other broker (that has been a little more effective)

 

[kimberh]

The rules did not change, Disney's reaction to the abuse of the rules did.

I am truly surprised how few of you that go to Disney often have not realized by now how they think and react. Doc gets it, so does Liferbabe and Jim.

They are not doing any of this for us, the Members, they are doing this for them. Something has occured that either has cost them money or time because time is money.

That is about the only things they react too.

My guess would be "Why Buy When one Can Rent" so cheaply.

Or "I am going to sell my points because I can't book my home resort at BWV and BCV at 11-8 months especially during Food and Wine."

I mean I would like to think that as Members they listen to us but the realistic part of me know they are a huge corporation that listens to the money talk.

I have said in two prior post, We are dealing with Corporate Disney!

This is not the Disney of Peter Pan and Tinker Bell. I do know that it is not good that they bent the rule or took the word "one" out of it and now are enforcing it. I wish we had a lawyer that owned DVC and could get his or her take on it.
We went on a cruise a few years ago, ate dinner everynight with an Orlando attorney and her family. I said," how many times a year do you go to Disney"? She said,"NEVER"! "I see Disney everyday in court and I see how they treat people, my children will never go there". I was shocked, this was our Wonderful World of Disney that I came to every year. I am starting to see what she was talking about. They are DISNEY, They do what they want, when they. For those that don't believe it, Well I am sorry for you. For those that have said, you didn't read your POS, to other posters, Yea right, sure I did, started yesterday ,when some of my rights were taken away. For those that want to tell me, It wasn't my right, well in my POS it really isn't spelled out but then Disney can change anything they want when they want. Right?
If people were renting hundred's or thousands of villas this is about money on the bottom line and nothing else. Disney is worried about Profit and their Shareholders, I am one. Management get BIG bonuses if they have Large profits and things are on schedule. But then this is just my 2 cents.

 

[simzac]

I have said in two prior post, We are dealing with Corporate Disney!

This is not the Disney of Peter Pan and Tinker Bell. I do know that it is not good that they bent the rule or took the word "one" out of it and now are enforcing it. I wish we had a lawyer that owned DVC and could get his or her take on it.
We went on a cruise a few years ago, ate dinner everynight with an Orlando attorney and her family. I said," how many times a year do you go to Disney"? She said,"NEVER"! "I see Disney everyday in court and I see how they treat people, my children will never go there". I was shocked, this was our Wonderful World of Disney that I came to every year. I am starting to see what she was talking about. They are DISNEY, They do what they want, when they. For those that don't believe it, Well I am sorry for you. For those that have said, you didn't read your POS, to other posters, Yea right, sure I did, started yesterday ,when some of my rights were taken away. For those that want to tell me, It wasn't my right, well in my POS it really isn't spelled out but then Disney can change anything they want when they want. Right?
If people were renting hundred's or thousands of villas this is about money on the bottom line and nothing else. Disney is worried about Profit and their Shareholders, I am one. Management get BIG bonuses if they have Large profits and things are on schedule. But then this is just my 2 cents.

And no one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to vacation at Disney. Disney is like every other corporation in our country, out to make the most profit they can. That's how the corporate world works these days, just ask the big oil companies. They all anounced recently profits in the billions of dollars for the last quarter, yes the last 3 months; so what did they do yesterday to celebrate, they raised gas prices in Indy another 30 cents on the gallon. Now to me, that is much more disturbing than whether I can transfer points into or out of me DVC more that once a year. People need to get their priorities in order, or non of us will be able to afford to vacation anywhere in the future, much less WDW. I'm enjoying reading all these threads that past several days, helps to get my mind off the "real" world at the end of my working day. And as usual, this is JMO.

 

[kimberh]

It's about the Money, I agree. Maybe we need Oil Stock!!!!

 

[CarolMN]

Perhaps I am in the minority, but I believe Disney HAD to start enforcing the "one transfer" rule - because MS is unable to effectively manage transfered points to ensure they retain their original home resort and use year.

As the number of transfers increased, I think the whole "points system" has gotten or is in danger of getting way out of balance. I think the number of non-home resorts transferred and magically being transformed into home resort points puts Disney at risk of violating the law - and someone finally realized it.

Disney cannot sell more points at a resort than the resort has room nights to accomodate. If I were Disney I would not want outside auditors coming in questioning why I seemed to have more (for example) BCV points than I had capacity to handle. One might argue that there is always space (at one of the resorts), but I bet given the lackadaisical attitude re point transfers, that an audit to prove it could turn out to be very costly (and embarrassing to have to admit to such a lousy point bookkeeping system).

FWIW, I am glad Disney is starting to consistently enforce policies that (IMHO) are in the best interest of the members. They are not stopping renting - we are free to rent reservations to anyone we choose. Disney's deal is with US, not our guests, renters.

Members who need more nights/rooms can still rent a reservation from other members. Does anyone else think it a little ironic that we tell non-members that it takes trust, but we ourselves are having a cow over trusting our fellow members by renting a reservation from them? Just a thought,LOL.

Best wishes -

 

[Inkmahm]

Members who need more nights/rooms can still rent a reservation from other members. Does anyone else think it a little ironic that we tell non-members that it takes trust, but we ourselves are having a cow over trusting our fellow members by renting a reservation from them? Just a thought,LOL.

Best wishes -

I never planned on either renting to others or renting from others. But I did just buy DVC this year under the understanding that multiple transfers in OR out were available in a single year, not just one transfer. The restriction was transfers in one direction only, not the number of transfers. I never really planned to transfer out, either. But I will need to transfer IN for a big family gathering that I'm organizing next year. And I'd rather be able to transfer several smaller amounts in than have to guess exactly right to make one transfer.

And no, I don't want to rent reservations from other members and I don't want to have family members have to change rooms during the trip. I won't ask my family to do something I'm not willing to do myself.

 

[kimberh]

I never planned on either renting to others or renting from others. But I did just buy DVC this year under the understanding that multiple transfers in OR out were available in a single year, not just one transfer. The restriction was transfers in one direction only, not the number of transfers. I never really planned to transfer out, either. But I will need to transfer IN for a big family gathering that I'm organizing next year. And I'd rather be able to transfer several smaller amounts in than have to guess exactly right to make one transfer.

And no, I don't want to rent reservations from other members and I don't want to have family members have to change rooms during the trip. I won't ask my family to do something I'm not willing to do myself.

Send a letter or email to member Services. I have sent mine.

 

[hoopsrob]

"I am no lawyer....but when you have a contract...the minute you are willing to "bend" a rule...the rule itself becomes null and void, especially at the levels that the rule was " bended"
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I disagree.

Just because a cop doesn't pull you over when you're going 10 mph over the speed limit doesn't mean he can't give you a ticket whenever you are in that situation. Just because he doesn't enforce it once doesn't change the law or the fact that you are breaking the law and there are consequences for you doing so.

If non-members can't rent cheaply, they will rent directly from Disney OR decide to purchase DVC OR not go to WDW at all.

It should help resale values of members because there will be less discounted inventory available to the general public.

And it should also help members making reservations because rented points won't be holding the space that they currently occupy.

 

[CarolA]

Send a letter or email to member Services. I have sent mine.

I sent mine too. (somehow I doubt they agreed)