The Rioting in France.

[DawnCt1]

There have been 9 days of rioting in France among the youths in the Muslim community. In one night alone, 400 cars were torched. A woman on crutches was set on fire while exiting a bus. Coincidentally I am reading a book in which a fictionalized scenario starts out in a very similar way, only the location is London and the incident is a nude statue in Picadilly Cir. (sp). The name of the book is The West's Last Chance, Will We Win the Clash of Civilations? by Tony Bankley.
I have seen him on Fox News and MSNBC talking about the culture clash between Islamists and the West and the growing sympathy for extremists positions. Obviously France's stand against the War on Terror and deposing Saddam offerred "no protection". In France in particular, immigrants are not intergrated into the culture as they are in the USA but live in run down ghettos with no jobs, little opportunity and no education. Is this situation concerning to anyone?

 

[JimB.]

Yes, however, i think the situation (IMHO) is more similar to the US at the height of segragation.

It strikes me as an outlash by those who consider themselves "trapped" economically than a muslin vs. non-muslim thing.

Of course, that is not an excuse for tearing up the town. The French Government AND people need to be resolute in finding this unacceptable.

 

[mark&sue]

I think this is similar in a lot of countries. In UK we had riots 20 years ago.

Did L.A. not have them at a similar time?



Susan

 

[DawnCt1]

Yes, however, i think the situation (IMHO) is more similar to the US at the height of segragation.

It strikes me as an outlash by those who consider themselves "trapped" economically than a muslin vs. non-muslim thing.

Of course, that is not an excuse for tearing up the town. The French Government AND people need to be resolute in finding this unacceptable.

I guess we will have to wait and see what their "complaints" are. Obviously, France hasn't done the job they thought they were doing in placating the Muslim community and they seem to be targeting the non Muslims. I guess until recently, the French police didn't even bother to enter into those neighborhoods to address the crime problem. It was that intervention that sparked this situation. I think what is different in this situation as opposed to US segregation is that the minority population was willing and desired intergrating into mainstream America. It seems that from what I have read in this situation, the minority population wishes to remain segregated. As far as anyone finding jobs in France? Those without an education or language skills are not in a good situation. The unemployment rate for all citizens in double digit. The welfare system in France however is exceedingly generous and many mosques discourage their faithful from participating in the Kafir economy.

 

[grinningghost]

Whatever the reason, rioting never accomplishes anything positive IMHO. They burned down a nursery school for God's sake. What kind of idiots would do this? This goes for the riots in France, the LA riots, any of them. They're disgusting.

 

[Viking]

That rioting is not an issue of mulsims against France. It's simply a problem of people not having access to the wealth of the country they live in. A lot of social pressure relieved in one large outburst of violence.
Even though I'm often *****ing about the money I have to pay in taxes which are used for the support of the poor -and unfortunately often for support of the lazy- I'm glad that this keeps us safe from riots like that in Germany so far.

 

[Geoff_M]

That rioting is not an issue of mulsims against France. It's simply a problem of people not having access to the wealth of the country they live in.

Apparently there are some within the affected Algerian community that are taking a different view of the situation instead of the usual "this is just about poverty" arguement.

Algerian group calls France 'enemy number one'

PARIS, Sept 27 (AFP) - An Algerian Islamist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), has issued a call for action against France which it describes as "enemy number one", intelligence officials said Tuesday.

"The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr," the group's leader Abu Mossab Abdelwadoud, also own as Abdelmalek Dourkdal, was quoted as saying in an Internet message earlier this month.

"France is our enemy number one, the enemy of our religion, the enemy of our community," he was quoted as saying.

France was mentioned 15 times in the text, and the Algerian government was also targeted, the officials said.

Nine people detained in a series of raids west of Paris Monday are suspected members of the GSPC, officials have said. They were being questioned for a second day Tuesday at the headquarters of the DST domestic intelligence agency.

Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Monday that the risk of terrorist attack in France is "at a very high level... There are cells operating on our territory."

The GSPC was created from a split in the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), the main force in Algeria's long insurgency which was also responsible for a series of bombings in France in 1995.

AFP Story Link

 

[DawnCt1]

Even though I'm often *****ing about the money I have to pay in taxes which are used for the support of the poor -and unfortunately often for support of the lazy- I'm glad that this keeps us safe from riots like that in Germany so far.

I guess the French thought that too. They have very generous welfare benefits and yet that hasn't pacified them. I think its a sad state of affairs when a group or individuals feel that they are entitled to the fruits of labor from others, without the effort. I am afraid if this movement spreads, Germans may not be safe from riots either.

 

[DawnCt1]

Whatever the reason, rioting never accomplishes anything positive IMHO. They burned down a nursery school for God's sake. What kind of idiots would do this? This goes for the riots in France, the LA riots, any of them. They're disgusting.

Rioting never accomplishes anything, (with rational people) How long did France fight during WWII before they gave up and decided it wasn't worth it? (2 weeks, although the French resistance were patriots) I wonder how long they will combat this violence before they bribe them into pacificity ....for a while.

 

[dcentity2000]

France, sadly, does have it's share of problems, just as the United Kingdom does. Despite said problems, France is a grand country, a culture capital of the world (along side Italy et al) and a fine nation in it's own right.



Rich::

 

[DawnCt1]

France, sadly, does have it's share of problems, just as the United Kingdom does. Despite said problems, France is a grand country, a culture capitol of the world (along side Italy et al) and a fine nation in it's own right.



Rich::

Rich, Lets hope that it can remain that way and not cave in to extremists that seem to be running amok right now.

 

[Pop Daddy]

looking at Frances history I suspect they will soon surrender to the rioters

 

[Viking]

I guess the French thought that too. They have very generous welfare benefits and yet that hasn't pacified them. I think its a sad state of affairs when a group or individuals feel that they are entitled to the fruits of labor from others, without the effort. I am afraid if this movement spreads, Germans may not be safe from riots either.

That is exacly why I wrote 'so far'

 

[Viking]

Apparently there are some within the affected Algerian community that are taking a different view of the situation instead of the usual "this is just about poverty" arguement.

Nope, that's just some weirdos trying to use that situation to their advantage. Some people see bad muslims liurking behind every bush (That's a pun, isn't it )
These are social riots, not religious ones.

 

[Lil_Tink]

Thats scary, my best freind is a Muslim in France.

 

[Viking]

Here's a quotation from The Washington Post: A large percentage of this population is Muslim, and Islamic neighborhood groups have been trying to dissuade young people from taking part in the rioting.

Here's the link TO THE FULL ARTICLE

It's quite the opposite. Many muslims over here in Europe take a decidely anti-violence stance.

 

[Geoff_M]

Nope, that's just some weirdos trying to use that situation to their advantage. Some people see bad muslims liurking behind every bush (That's a pun, isn't it )
These are social riots, not religious ones.

You're right it's just an Intifada. However, if you think there isn't any sort of religious dynamic to the conflict then I think you're whistling past the graveyard. I also didn't say that Jihad was the driving source of the uprising, but it would be foolish to assume that this isn't in the minds of some of those hurling petrol bombs. It also appears that the "social" protesters have also attempted to firebomb at least one synagogue.

 

[Viking]

You're right it's just an Intifada. However, if you think there isn't any sort of religious dynamic to the conflict then I think you're whistling past the graveyard. I also didn't say that Jihad was the driving source of the uprising, but it would be foolish to assume that this isn't in the minds of some of those hurling petrol bombs. It also appears that the "social" protesters have also attempted to firebomb at least one synagogue.

A) read the article directly above your post
B) Those jerks are setting fire to everything along their way. You could also say that they are treehuggers as they burnt down about 950 cars last night
C) I bet you that there are at least as many christians among them as
muslims
D) The article you're referring to says 'An incendiary device was tossed at the wall of a synagogue in Pierrefitte, northwest of Paris, where electricity went out after a burning car damaged an electrical pole.' That's a bit different than 'fireboming a synagogue', but it was a nice try of proganda from your side

 

[Geoff_M]

Yeah, you're right... I'm sure people lob incendiary devices at the walls of buildings without intending to burn them down all the time in Europe.

 

[KarenC]

Concerning to me, for sure. My daughter is studying in France this semester. For now, the rioting is confined to the areas where the poor African and Islamic immigrants live, so she's safe. But she'll be going to Paris in a couple weeks to visit a friend and, I'm not going to lie, I'm a little nervous.

I suspect France hasn't been as gung-ho about the war on terror because the situation in their own country is so fragile. (And for other economic reasons as well.) I don't think it's appropriate to say that these riots are happening because they're soft on the war on terror.