The Poly2 Pricing Thread

[Sandisw]

Thanks. I was unaware "hotel" owned pools.

So the new Poly2 Tower will also be a "hotel" property containing DVC villas? I thought the entire property was owned by DVC, so a separate association would be much more likely.

I think I wrongly assumed the same for RIV....owned by DVC but allowing cash guests- which is why I wondered if amenities access could be restricted to Poly1 owners if Poly2 is a separate association.

(If we enjoyed pool-hopping privileges again, it would be a moot point!)

The entire location is part of the Poly Village resort….so, the current villas and bungalows are located at the resort and the Poly tower is being built at the resort…association designation doesn’t change that.

When PVB was designed, they declared a set of boundaries that define DVC for the project and that is what determined the ground lease,

The same will happen with the DVC tower….it will have boundaries that define the ground lease.

The association really comes into play with other aspects of how it functions, but at any DVC resort that is located at a hotel location, DVC owners get access to the amenities that belong to the hotel. Owners pay there share to use them,

That is why PVB owners and Poly tower owners, regardless of association, will get access to the current pools based on the hotel divisions discretion as to how to do it.

If the tower becomes part of PVB, then access to current pools must be the same for owners of both…

If it’s a new association, then technically, they could write the POS differently that bans Poy tower guests from those pools, but it makes no sense for the hotel to decide to give some owners of one association access, and not others.

The new pool is different. Based on its location, my guess is it will be declared part of DVC. That means that DVD and the hotel division will have to decide how to treat it for access. If it is like BLT, then only those staying at the tower would have access. If it’s like the WL, in which the hotel owns one pool and BRV owns the other, then the POS could be written for reciprocal use.

I just can’t see any situation in which they are going to try to manage only certain guests using some pools and not others, At BLT, CR guests can’t use BLT pool…but the CR is farther away from it, Some of the Poly longhouses on the cash side are going to be closer to the new pool than the current DVC units.

And, the biggest difference is that both BLT and CR have feature pools with slides, etc. The pool at the tower doesn’t appear to be that way…which is why I do not see them restricting a Poly tower guests from using the Volcano pool.

 

[MyDogTink]

How do BCV and BWV’s pools work? Do hotel guests have access to the DVC quiet pools there?

 

[Sandisw]

How do BCV and BWV’s pools work? Do hotel guests have access to the DVC quiet pools there?

Yes.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

The entire location is part of the Poly Village resort….so, the current villas and bungalows are located at the resort and the Poly tower is being built at the resort…association designation doesn’t change that.

When PVB was designed, they declared a set of boundaries that define DVC for the project and that is what determined the ground lease,

The same will happen with the DVC tower….it will have boundaries that define the ground lease.

The association really comes into play with other aspects of how it functions, but at any DVC resort that is located at a hotel location, DVC owners get access to the amenities that belong to the hotel. Owners pay there share to use them,

That is why PVB owners and Poly tower owners, regardless of association, will get access to the current pools based on the hotel divisions discretion as to how to do it.

If the tower becomes part of PVB, then access to current pools must be the same for owners of both…

If it’s a new association, then technically, they could write the POS differently that bans Poy tower guests from those pools, but it makes no sense for the hotel to decide to give some owners of one association access, and not others.

The new pool is different. Based on its location, my guess is it will be declared part of DVC. That means that DVD and the hotel division will have to decide how to treat it for access. If it is like BLT, then only those staying at the tower would have access. If it’s like the WL, in which the hotel owns one pool and BRV owns the other, then the POS could be written for reciprocal use.

I just can’t see any situation in which they are going to try to manage only certain guests using some pools and not others, At BLT, CR guests can’t use BLT pool…but the CR is farther away from it, Some of the Poly longhouses on the cash side are going to be closer to the new pool than the current DVC units.

And, the biggest difference is that both BLT and CR have feature pools with slides, etc. The pool at the tower doesn’t appear to be that way…which is why I do not see them restricting a Poly tower guests from using the Volcano pool.

...which is why I do not see them restricting a Poly tower guests from using the Volcano pool.

Thank you again! I agree Poly Tower guests will have access to everything regardless of "Association" decision.

 

[Frugal Fairy Tales]

Starting Sept 12th, but they'll most likely have incentives to lower it like they do now from its $217/pt price. We just don't yet know what those incentives/promos will be.

I think it was just VGF for now being raised to match VDH.

Thank you

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

The entire location is part of the Poly Village resort….so, the current villas and bungalows are located at the resort and the Poly tower is being built at the resort…association designation doesn’t change that.

When PVB was designed, they declared a set of boundaries that define DVC for the project and that is what determined the ground lease,

The same will happen with the DVC tower….it will have boundaries that define the ground lease.

The association really comes into play with other aspects of how it functions, but at any DVC resort that is located at a hotel location, DVC owners get access to the amenities that belong to the hotel. Owners pay there share to use them,

That is why PVB owners and Poly tower owners, regardless of association, will get access to the current pools based on the hotel divisions discretion as to how to do it.

If the tower becomes part of PVB, then access to current pools must be the same for owners of both…

If it’s a new association, then technically, they could write the POS differently that bans Poy tower guests from those pools, but it makes no sense for the hotel to decide to give some owners of one association access, and not others.

The new pool is different. Based on its location, my guess is it will be declared part of DVC. That means that DVD and the hotel division will have to decide how to treat it for access. If it is like BLT, then only those staying at the tower would have access. If it’s like the WL, in which the hotel owns one pool and BRV owns the other, then the POS could be written for reciprocal use.

I just can’t see any situation in which they are going to try to manage only certain guests using some pools and not others, At BLT, CR guests can’t use BLT pool…but the CR is farther away from it, Some of the Poly longhouses on the cash side are going to be closer to the new pool than the current DVC units.

And, the biggest difference is that both BLT and CR have feature pools with slides, etc. The pool at the tower doesn’t appear to be that way…which is why I do not see them restricting a Poly tower guests from using the Volcano pool.

Someone asked a question on another site that hasn't been answered yet...asking about Poly2 as a NEW association...
Will those those Direct Purchase points be able to book Poly1 longhouse studios at 11 months? Or since it is a different association, will they be held to 7-month booking access?

 

[CarolynFH]

Someone asked a question on another site that hasn't been answered yet...asking about Poly2 as a NEW association...
Will those those Direct Purchase points be able to book Poly1 longhouse studios at 11 months? Or since it is a different association, will they be held to 7-month booking access?

Poly2 owners won’t be able to book Poly1 until 7 months, if it’s a new condo association.

If Poly2 is added into the same condo association as Poly1, owners of Poly1 will have 11 month booking rights at Poly2 and vice-versa.

If DVD creates a new Poly2 condo association, Poly1 owners won’t be able to book there until 7 months and will have to use nonrestricted points.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

That's helpful...Thanks.... Now that I'm finally understanding more of this, I hope DVD/DVC doesn't throw in totally new & different types of "Association" ideas for the Poly1/Poly2

 

[CarolynFH]

That's helpful...Thanks.... Now that I'm finally understanding more of this, I hope DVD/DVC doesn't throw in totally new & different types of "Association" ideas for the Poly1/Poly2

I don’t know what you mean by “totally new and different ideas” but DVD is bound by Florida state law regarding condominium associations. The Buena Vista Trading Company makes the rules about exchanging into a resort that isn’t your home resort, and I can’t see them giving Poly1 and Poly2 owners booking privileges at non-home resorts that other DVC owners don’t have.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Good to know. Thx again.

 

[TheDailyMoo]

Looking at the poll question at the top I'm kind of surprised to see that it's almost 2 to 1 in favor of the new tower being part of the old association. It's from the beginning of May. I wonder if the same poll was taken today if the numbers would stay the same?

 

[jkips]

Looking at the poll question at the top I'm kind of surprised to see that it's almost 2 to 1 in favor of the new tower being part of the old association. It's from the beginning of May. I wonder if the same poll was taken today if the numbers would stay the same?

A new association makes DVC more complicated. Trying to explain yet one more additional intricacy to a potential new buyer is just one more hurdle for them to get over before opening up the checkbook. Those new room tours at Poly2 would need to include the explanation that those sparkling new points wouldn’t be available for the legacy resort including those beautiful (massively overpriced) instagram-worthy bungalows. It’s an awkward and potential offputting conversation. It’s not insurmountable from a marketing perspective but keeping it one association keeps it simpler for the huge majority of DVC and potential DVC owners.

 

[TheDailyMoo]

A new association makes DVC more complicated. Trying to explain yet one more additional intricacy to a potential new buyer is just one more hurdle for them to get over before opening up the checkbook. Those new room tours at Poly2 would need to include the explanation that those sparkling new points wouldn’t be available for the legacy resort including those beautiful (massively overpriced) instagram-worthy bungalows. It’s an awkward and potential offputting conversation. It’s not insurmountable from a marketing perspective but keeping it one association keeps it simpler for the huge majority of DVC and potential DVC owners.

I personally would love this because then it would make my buying decision easy and cheaper to grab PVB resale as Poly is where we want to stay. Would love to have access to the studios at both and stay between the two buildings. I just don't see a pathway to making it the same association that makes more sense overall than separate. I mean what do I know but it just seems like Disney doubles down on all their decisions lately, good and bad, and they would love a new restricted resort. I can see a possibility for same I guess because the stock is in the toilet and the economy is swirling and maybe they wanna push the sales hard and yes that would definitely give them a boost. But again Disney lately does things that leaves one scratching their head. If I were a Vegas oddsmaker I think I would have the line as

Same Association +140 New Association -120

or thereabouts.

 

[intamin]

A new association makes DVC more complicated. Trying to explain yet one more additional intricacy to a potential new buyer is just one more hurdle for them to get over before opening up the checkbook. Those new room tours at Poly2 would need to include the explanation that those sparkling new points wouldn’t be available for the legacy resort including those beautiful (massively overpriced) instagram-worthy bungalows. It’s an awkward and potential offputting conversation. It’s not insurmountable from a marketing perspective but keeping it one association keeps it simpler for the huge majority of DVC and potential DVC owners.

Idk if your guides covered it when buying RIV/VDH but mine never brought up resale restrictions on their own even though I knew about them. It wasn't until I brought it up that they even mentioned it otherwise they were content letting me sign without talking about them.

One association would be simpler. It would also allow access to the plethora of studios at 11 months. Yet I'm conflicted because I would like to add to my pool of direct points and I also don't want to have the excess points from the bungalow attached to the tower.

 

[GGGT]

Looking at the poll question at the top I'm kind of surprised to see that it's almost 2 to 1 in favor of the new tower being part of the old association. It's from the beginning of May. I wonder if the same poll was taken today if the numbers would stay the same?

My vote would change.

 

[Sandisw]

Looking at the poll question at the top I'm kind of surprised to see that it's almost 2 to 1 in favor of the new tower being part of the old association. It's from the beginning of May. I wonder if the same poll was taken today if the numbers would stay the same?

The poll is from May 2022. So shortly after it was announced. Thst was also before we knew for sure VDH would get restrictions and before we knew FW cabins was coming.

It would be interesting to see how it would play out now!

 

[Sandisw]

I personally would love this because then it would make my buying decision easy and cheaper to grab PVB resale as Poly is where we want to stay. Would love to have access to the studios at both and stay between the two buildings. I just don't see a pathway to making it the same association that makes more sense overall than separate. I mean what do I know but it just seems like Disney doubles down on all their decisions lately, good and bad, and they would love a new restricted resort. I can see a possibility for same I guess because the stock is in the toilet and the economy is swirling and maybe they wanna push the sales hard and yes that would definitely give them a boost. But again Disney lately does things that leaves one scratching their head. If I were a Vegas oddsmaker I think I would have the line as

Same Association +140 New Association -120

or thereabouts.

They have had to sell two associations at the same hotel before so that would not be new.

The booking of the bungalows can be explained the same way they do for all other resorts. You get access to them at 7 months but you get an advance for all the new units at the tower that those that don’t own there will.

Guides will not discuss restrictions unless you bring it up because resale and resale value is not something they market nor do they want to because it could make them liable even though the contract explains in detail not to buy expecting it.

In the end, I still believe it’s going to be about restrictions, length of contract, and which is going to sell better in the long run.

My vote is still new association but I am at 90% now vs 99% confident a year ago.

 

[CarolMN]

Hoping DVD will decide and make the announcement soon - to put everyone out of their misery, LOL.

Everything now is just opinion & speculation, colored very highly by one's own wishful thinking!

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Hoping DVD will decide and make the announcement soon - to put everyone out of their misery, LOL.

Everything now is just opinion & speculation, colored very highly by one's own wishful thinking!

Well, heck! They just named a cruise ship The Disney Wish, so why not?

Seriously, tho, I see both sides. I've stayed at Kaui'i (former) Coco Palms Resort longhouses & luxury Waikiki towers (Halekulani) & everything in-between. My 1st stay at Poly was '72 My dad, Navy WWII, said it took him right back to the Pacific Islands.

For me, the orig longhouses say "Polynesian." And I do prefer dedicated studios to lock-offs.

But no matter how it turns out, Poly1 will still have easy access to gorgeous new tropical dining & shopping (if not the pool/beach area) & the Tower grounds will be beautiful. It will be another ALOHA added to resort-hopping days for lots of guests.

 

[intamin]

Hoping DVD will decide and make the announcement soon - to put everyone out of their misery, LOL.

Everything now is just opinion & speculation, colored very highly by one's own wishful thinking!

I’m typically a pretty pessimistic person so I feel like that’s why I think it’ll be the same association even though I want a new association so you’re probably right about that LOL.

Idk I kind of see more things leaning towards same given the fact that PVB has never had 1/2/3 BRs unless you count bungalows as a 2BR and it would fill out the resort. Also when VGF2 started selling they had the same amount of years left and that ended up being the same. OTOH new association would definitely mean more money for Disney because less people will be going resale but who knows.

God Bill Diercksen please put us out of our misery.