The new search system- problems, observations, issues

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WebmasterKathy said:
You haven't lost contact with any threads. Just do the thing I told you about with your username, locate a thread you posted on that you want to keep in touch with in that list, and then subscribe to that thread. It's a one-time thing, and then that thread will forever be in your subscribed list. Go into your User CP and set the thing that will automatically subscribed to any thread you post to, and you won't have to worry about this again.

I have gone to my userCP and cannot figure out how to fix the automatically subscribe thing. How do I do it?
When I try to use the new search to find some of the threads I replied to a few days ago, it will not come up in the search. What should I do?
There were about three I wanted to recheck today.
Please help me.
Thanks!
 
Here is what I used search for. The old search was VERY easy to use for this function. The results were in date sequence as well which was a big help. I feel that many posters here used search this way as well.
I would plug in my username or someone elses username the results would come back with all post in a date sequence. This way I could look and see what post were responded to and what threads I had posted to. I like many here post on several forums and I sometimes can't remember what thread or forum I posted to. I sometimes may not return to forums for several days. This method of search was extremely helpful. So far I have not been impressed with the limited function of the new search or the way it presents it results if any are found at all...smjj
 
Why are they making awful changes? Now, when I go to my profile, I can only click on "threads STARTED by"....I need to see all my threads.
 
DizGeek said:
Why are they making awful changes? Now, when I go to my profile, I can only click on "threads STARTED by"....I need to see all my threads.

To see all your posts you can just click your name there in the left column and you will see a link to find all your posts.
 

BoardTracker said:
To see all your posts you can just click your name there in the left column and you will see a link to find all your posts.

Whew....great! Thanks! :thumbsup2
 
BoardTracker said:
To see all your posts you can just click your name there in the left column and you will see a link to find all your posts.

Thanks! :thumbsup2 I hadn't thought about that one.
That just helped a bunch! I now was able to reply to all I missed over the weekend on threads I posted on Friday. I also figured out how to subscribe to all that I reply to so that I can keep up with them on my user CP now! Thanks! I feel much better now!
:thumbsup2
 
smjj said:
Here is what I used search for. The old search was VERY easy to use for this function. The results were in date sequence as well which was a big help. I feel that many posters here used search this way as well.
I would plug in my username or someone elses username the results would come back with all post in a date sequence. This way I could look and see what post were responded to and what threads I had posted to. I like many here post on several forums and I sometimes can't remember what thread or forum I posted to. I sometimes may not return to forums for several days. This method of search was extremely helpful. So far I have not been impressed with the limited function of the new search or the way it presents it results if any are found at all...smjj
To see all threads you posted in or subscribed to you can just click the subscription link..

http://www.disboards.com/subscription.php?

If your account is not set to subscribe by default then go to your UserCP and click 'edit optons' and there you will see the subscription setting. You can of course subscribe to any thread, not just those you post in - just click the 'thread tools' menu at the top of any thread and you will see the subscribe/unsubscribe link.

You can click your username in the left column next to any of your posts and you will see there a link which also returns all your posts.

To search for all your threads you can do it from your profile or from the search page and the results are already in date order. You can change order when doing searches from the search page by selecting 'relevancy' or 'thread start date' in the 'sort results by:' selection box.

BoardTracker search also offers advanced features not found in the vbulletin search such as stemming which means if you search for something like 'book' it will automatically also search for 'books' 'booking' 'booked' etc. and searches can also be refined further using categories, related forums, scope etc.
 
smjj said:
Here is what I used search for. The old search was VERY easy to use for this function. The results were in date sequence as well which was a big help. I feel that many posters here used search this way as well.
I would plug in my username or someone elses username the results would come back with all post in a date sequence. This way I could look and see what post were responded to and what threads I had posted to. I like many here post on several forums and I sometimes can't remember what thread or forum I posted to. I sometimes may not return to forums for several days. This method of search was extremely helpful. So far I have not been impressed with the limited function of the new search or the way it presents it results if any are found at all...smjj

I am starting to realize how much search was used in that way. What you dont' realize is that using search to perform that function is extremely hard on the boards. If a lot of people are doing that it would explain some of the load issues we are having. There is a subscribed post function that works fine and is designed for just this purpose.
 
WebmasterAlex said:
I am starting to realize how much search was used in that way. What you dont' realize is that using search to perform that function is extremely hard on the boards. If a lot of people are doing that it would explain some of the load issues we are having. There is a subscribed post function that works fine and is designed for just this purpose.

Can't the system be set up to disable search during the peak hours or say when some threahold is passed. This to me would be fine and I would understand it completely...smjj
 
smjj said:
Can't the system be set up to disable search during the peak hours or say when some threahold is passed. This to me would be fine and I would understand it completely...smjj

No it's not really possible to "switch" back and forth.
What's wrong with using the "subscribed threads" feature?
 
Good morning, BT. :wave: :sunny:

Is there a way to enter a person's name in search and locate all posts they have made, not just as OP's?

Is there a way to enter a person's name and keyword, like 'Dan Murphy' and 'legacy', and find all posts Dan Murphy has made with the word 'dollar' in them, OP's as well as replies? I know I, and many others here, will reference back to a thread they may have replied on weeks or months back, to help in responding to a current post, maybe with info or a link. The previous vBulletin search would find just those posts, even highlighting the search word.

Also, is there a way to search a partial name, if you know part of it, such as 'Dan Murp' but not all of it. Another example, there are a lot of people here who use numbers in their name, like Dan Murphy1900. If I want to find Dan Murphy, but forget if he had 1900 or 1800, I used to be able to enter Dan Murphy and uncheck the 'exact spelling' box. It would find any names with Dan Murphy in them, with any characters following or not.

Is there anyway BoardTracker search can duplicate the functionality of the vBulletin search?
 
I think I talked about that earlier, I used the subscribe to keep post that weren't active. If I subscribed to every thread I posted in, my list would be very long and it would be hard for me to keep track of threads like phone numbers (for example). This is a personnel pref and I know there are workarounds that are being put out there, but so far none of them function like many of us were used to in the past. I feel like a broken record so I'll stop now.
 
Dan,

Not at the moment, they are working on newer versions that will be post level.
One other thing to remember is why we are here. The most important thing is for people to be able to search on "Grand Floridian" or "All Star Sports" and get the information they need.
 
Mom2Ashli said:
If I open my buddy list and click on someones User name to view their Profile - I do not get an option to view their posts. Only the thread they started. :confused3

Does anyone know if this option is going to be fixed to be the way it was? Or is this going to be the norm?


The reason I am asking is the other day I wanted to check in on Kaylajr. She is having some family issues with her Grandfather. She is in my buddy list, I click on her name and it brings up her user profile. And the option to see her last posts link was gone. Only Threads started by her.
Which didn't help me because I was looking for posts.
 
I guess if thats the goal than it will work great. I'm here to follow threads and talk to fellow disney "junkies". The boards for me have just become an effort to track threads and it will slow me down and possible keep me from posting. In good news, the boards will be faster...because they aren't being used as much.
 
BoardTracker said:
To see all your posts you can just click your name there in the left column and you will see a link to find all your posts.

However, you must dig thru ALL your post as each one is listed. This is difficult to find threads that are updated. Also, in the past you could see who the last poster was and the time of the last post so you could tell if there were new post to a specific thread.
 
We would love to know a little more specifically what exactly you and others don't like about the search. It would help improve things better than just knowing someone 'hates' the search.

I would like to summarize different issues relating to the search and other features mentioned above by members...

As for specific actions you want to perform:

To keep track of threads you posted in: Thread Subscription is most useful for that. Whenever you post to a thread it is added to your subscribed threads list. If you don't care about tracking a thread anymore, you can "unsubscribe" from it.
If it doesn't work for you, you probably turned it off. To turn it on, go to your "User CP" and under "Edit options", in the "Default Thread Subscription Mode", select something other than "Do not subscribe"

Finding all posts of a user: A link to this is found when you click the name of a poster on the left side of a post they make. A link to this from the profile can be added as well (by the admin).

Finding all threads started by a member: can be found in the profile, or can be searched in the search page - open the advanced panel and type in the exact name of the member.

Searching all threads started by a member: can be searched in the search page - type in a search string and open the advanced panel and type in he exact name of the member.

Searching (as opposed to 'finding') all posts of a member: This is currently not possible.


Here are some aspects of the new search and are compared with the old search.

We will begin with some shortcomings of the new search and compare them to the old search:

Search in replies: At the moment this is not possible with BT search. BT search supplies Thread search rather only. Reply search is something that will be added in future versions.

Search by user: As indicated above, at the moment, user search is based on threads started, not including replies.

While it was possible to some extent doing the above two functions, searching in the old system created a load with "side effects" in the form of the slow or unresponsive board you all experienced (see below explanation about the server load issues). This sometimes made searches not too useful. Combined with the lower relevancy search of the old system, which caused you to sometimes not find specific threads you were looking for, search in the old search system was limited to some extent.

As for other aspects of advanced search, some of which were not possible in the old search system:

Search by date/relevancy: BT search supports these features. In fact, relevancy in BT is far more accurate than the old internal search.

Search by title: Given the higher relevancy of BT search, you don't need to specify "search in title" anymore. Threads with matching words in the title will be showing higher on the list when you search by relevancy. This simplifies finding the relevant threads.

Multiple searches & Modify your search: In the old search you had to wait 60 seconds before trying another search. If you search for something and didn't find your results in the first time, and wanted to update the search term to try to get better results, you would have to go back to the search page (which lost you the search term you used), type in a new search term and wait a minute before trying again. With the new search you can simply update the search result that is already showing on the results page and try a second search right away.

Faster search: Not only did you have to wait 60 seconds between searches, but searches were also very slow at times. It also created a server load when several people searched at the same time, which caused not only the search to be slow but also the other aspects of the board. The new search is faster (granted that it does not supply you with replies search at the moment), and does not affect the board's performence. The board is fast and responsive even if many other users search the board.

Search in related forums: You can now select a specific forum to search on, but also tell the system to search in all related forums. This is an advanced feature which didn't exist in the old search. The related forums search includes in the search all other forums that are in the same category. If your selected forum is in "sports", all other forums in "sports" will be searched in as well.

Stemming: When you search for a word, like cruise for example, BT search returns results for: cruises, cruising, cruised etc... This is something that didn't exist in the old search. This greatly helps in finding desired results when you don't remember exactly which form of the word was used or when you are looking for cruise related.

Why is DisBoards making these changes?
Text based search in the old system was very inefficient. There is no existing way to solve this internally and services like BoardTracker supply a solution for that need.
The effect of the inefficiency of the old search was in creating a load on the CPUs of the board, which caused the board to become very slow. Certain aspects of the board were greatly affected, including messages you saw of "too busy", limiting intervals between page views (search, new posts and others) slow response time for viewing and replying to threads and others.
This also limited the activity and growth of the board.

How is this load created?
When you use the old search, the database which performs the search becomes extremely loaded (meaning, the CPU is very busy). Once that happens, the database can not effectively handle other operations. This causes long waits on the web servers when fetching data or storing data into the database servers (such as reading or posting). This load is not something that is related to bandwidth or other aspects that can be addressed. This is a design issue that can not really be addressed internally.

Suggestions to switch search off during peak times will not really help.
For one, people will wait for search to come back on, and that will hurt the system even more, since once it is back on, everyone will try searching at the same time. This will only shift the peak time.
The second problem is that if you can not search, your user satisfaction will greatly decrease. See how much some are annoyed that they can't search exactly how they used to.. now think how unsatisfied they/you will be when you can't search at all.
With BT search, you can search whenever you want. Even if not exactly as you used to, and indeed changes require some adjusting, you can always search now, the board is faster and for most uses, the existing search is very useful. We would be happy to see examples where it is not, so we can better the search.
Note though that full-text search mechanism is not the right way to do non-search operations such as keep track of threads you posted in. For this, as explained above, there are other and better mechanisms.

We are always improving BT search and that is why it is important for us to hear exactly WHY you find it limited or not good enough, and to see examples for such limitations.
 
I like the new search. I used it yesterday and found everything that I was looking for.

Thanks!!!
 
^^^ Haven't I done that??? I feel like I've typed it 10 times. This search just doesn't work for me. I don't want to subscribe to threads for reasons I've explained already. If I search for post by user by clicking on the users name I get a long list of EVERY post, not the thread itself. Because of that I can't see if the thread has been posted to again since my last post. Let me know if you need more information.
 
I actually like the search. I have no use for searching for specific members, all I use it for is to search for information. So I click n advance search, then type the subject Im looking for (lets say "tux") then I go over to the right and I choose what forum I want to lookin (cruise forum) and hit search now. All the topics come up and that is just perfect. The old search would always give me a server too busy error and I could never find anything without posting a new topic about a question that had been answered 80000 times.
 

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