The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[LuvDuke]

Is it too much to ask that people make the case for their candidate? Obviously, for our friends on the other side of the political aisle, the answer is clearly yes.

 

[JARNJ3]

This appears to be the most appropriate place to post this

Democratic rivals agree to play nicer

Clinton and Obama Agree to Reign in Their Trash-Talking Supporters

NEDRA PICKLER
AP News

Mar 14, 2008 16:11 EST

On this presidential rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton can agree: They sometimes disagree with their trash-talking supporters and will try to cool it. Advisers to the Democratic candidates shed some light Friday on the private chat the two candidates had Thursday on the Senate floor.

The talk lasted three or four minutes in full view of reporters watching on the balcony above who could see them talking, but not hear what they said.

"They approached one another and spoke about how supporters for both campaigns have said things they reject," said Clinton spokesman Phil Singer. "They agreed that the contrasts between their respective records, qualifications and issues should be what drives this campaign, and nothing else."

An Obama adviser, speaking on a condition of anonymity about the private conversation, gave a similar account, while stressing that it was Obama who approached Clinton on the subject. They committed to making sure that their supporters don't get overheated in the future, the adviser said.

With Clinton and Obama in such a close race for the nomination, the campaign has grown increasingly acrimonious. Surrogates and aides to the candidates have stirred racial and gender divisions that Democrats fear will leave the eventual nominee badly damaged and battered heading into the general election.

Party members also fear that the rancor will make it difficult to unite the party for the November contest, undercutting Democrats' chances of winning the White House after eight years of President Bush.

Democrats face a protracted nomination fight that is likely to last at least until voting in June and perhaps won't be resolved until the convention in Denver at the end of August.

In contrast, John McCain has already secured the Republican nomination and has moved forward with fundraising and other efforts that will prepare him to campaign against whoever emerges from the Obama-Clinton fight. A badly damaged and battered nominee will do nothing to help their united cause of getting a Democrat back in the White House next year.

Clinton and Obama's rare appearance in the Senate was to cast several votes on a closely debated budget bill.

It followed a week of harsh words that led to resignations in both camps. Samantha Power gave up her position as an unpaid foreign policy adviser to Obama after calling Clinton a "monster." Geraldine Ferraro, who was the party's vice presidential nominee in 1984, stepped down from Clinton's finance committee after she said Obama would not have made it this far if he were white.

 

[chris1gill]

Just seems to me that I can find plenty of good things to say about both our candidates and also find some time to bash McCain. They seem to have it reversed. Yes, it's their job.... but building up your own man first should be tops on their list, not the bottom. JMHO

But their guy is currently in the lead in Nationwide polling, so I guess they don't have to build their guy up... This goes back to the quote above about the protracted divisive Democratic Primary that is now upon us and is nowhere near completion.

 

[eclectics]

But their guy is currently in the lead in Nationwide polling, so I guess they don't have to build their guy up... This goes back to the quote above about the protracted divisive Democratic Primary that is now upon us and is nowhere near completion.

No offense, but you're writing off both Obama and Hillary way too easily. November is an eternity away (politically speaking). McCain has a lot of time to make an *** out of himself, especially on the economy. I say sit back and wait.

 

[LuvDuke]

But their guy is currently in the lead in Nationwide polling, so I guess they don't have to build their guy up... This goes back to the quote above about the protracted divisive Democratic Primary that is now upon us and is nowhere near completion.

Well, one would think they'd be proud of their standard bearer and want to proclaim the good news.

 

[chris1gill]

No offense, but you're writing off both Obama and Hillary way too easily. November is an eternity away (politically speaking). McCain has a lot of time to make an *** out of himself, especially on the economy. I say sit back and wait.

You are right, and absolutely no offense taken. But I'm putting things in perspective, with all the infighting, who is voting for whom, who won't vote for whom. this that and the other, the pattern isn't changing.... when the pattern doesn't change, neither will the result. With all the tea up in Heaven I hope that I am dead wrong, but unfortunately as both Clinton and Obama stand right now, they are both trailing someone who by all accounts should be off the radar by 20 points. Past historical races have yielded the same result, long protracted battles for the nom have resulted in a loss for the party.... Perhaps the next few weeks will see something different than the last two weeks, never mind six weeks or six months... I will personally hope for the troops and for the country that I am just plain wrong

 

[chris1gill]

Well, one would think they'd be proud of their standard bearer and want to proclaim the good news.

I think they just want to win regardless of their bearer.. Please, who thought 8 years ago that Evangelical's would rally around McCain & who on EARTH thought he'd let them? He has sold his soul.... You would think that perhaps some of his following on the Dis would step forward with this wonderful candidate... I personally can't start that thread, too well known but I'd be curious about the turnout....

 

[eclectics]

I think they just want to win regardless of their bearer.. Please, who thought 8 years ago that Evangelical's would rally around McCain & who on EARTH thought he'd let them? He has sold his soul.... You would think that perhaps some of his following on the Dis would step forward with this wonderful candidate... I personally can't start that thread, too well known but I'd be curious about the turnout....

Or so he would like everyone to think. He's made it quite clear he will do or say anything to get elected. The Cons might just be in for a little shock if he gets elected, but I suspect they already know that in their gut. Perhaps that's one of the reasons they're not carrying his banner quite so high.

 

[chris1gill]

Or so he would like everyone to think. He's made it quite clear he will do or say anything to get elected. The Cons might just be in for a little shock if he gets elected, but I suspect they already know that in their gut. Perhaps that's one of the reasons they're not carrying his banner quite so high.

And there's your answer in a nutshell

 

[eclectics]

And there's your answer in a nutshell

Yeah, but try getting someone to actually admit it.

 

[chris1gill]

Yeah, but try getting someone to actually admit it.

It will never happen.... They suspect it, but even still they will vote for him.

And to that end I wonder if this is the other side of Pastor Wright that the media is not showing us and for which some of his congregations knows him for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZROa0rlMU

Keeping in mind I do not agree with what some of the pastor has said in some of his four clips being shown, I think they were cherry picked while trudging through thousands of hours of tape...

Again people can believe or disbelieve what they want, but this is the current topic of the day, so I think it is relevant, but perhaps I am wrong in thinking that.

 

[eclectics]

It will never happen.... They suspect it, but even still they will vote for him.

And to that end I wonder if this is the other side of Pastor Wright that the media is not showing us and for which some of his congregations knows him for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZROa0rlMU

Keeping in mind I do not agree with what some of the pastor has said in some of his four clips being shown, I think they were cherry picked while trudging through thousands of hours of tape...

Again people can believe or disbelieve what they want, but this is the current topic of the day, so I think it is relevant, but perhaps I am wrong in thinking that.

Obama himself said that if all he heard were the few incendiary clips, he would be shocked also. He obviously knows the Pastor better than any of us do. Also, one has to wonder what the people who are so worked up are really afraid of with an Obama Presidency.

 

[chris1gill]

Obama himself said that if all he heard were the few incendiary clips, he would be shocked also. He obviously knows the Pastor better than any of us do. Also, one has to wonder what the people who are so worked up are really afraid of with an Obama Presidency.

I'm listening to the current pastor (who did make reference to 9/11 respectfully)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RLX_dmYKQk&feature=related

He is very inspirational.....

 

[chris1gill]

Obama himself said that if all he heard were the few incendiary clips, he would be shocked also. He obviously knows the Pastor better than any of us do. Also, one has to wonder what the people who are so worked up are really afraid of with an Obama Presidency.

Obama also admitted he did not go weekly.. he was in Washington for the past few years and busy with his daughters prior to that, so he wasn't a regular church goer as regular church goer's go.... I don't go at all, so who am I to judge how often he goes... the current pastor was preaching before the retired preacher preached, his message is very different from what we have seen. I'm going to go through all the different Youtube video's and tapes and really see if there is any there, there......

 

[Honu]

For those that are curious about the painting, this is HOPE

George Frederick Watts, 1885

 

[chris1gill]

Another day at the church on World Wide AIDS day...

This is most unusual, but I give him props for trying to get his congregation to understand and be tested....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncgG5Bic-0&feature=related

 

[LuvDuke]

I'm going to a party tonight. Someone needs to take over the search for a "Why You Should Vote For John McCain" thread.

Never know when our friends on the other side of the political aisle just might stop worrying about Hillary and Obama and tell us why folks should vote for their standard bearer.

Surely, they're proud of him and can tell the good folks here why McCain is the one.

Please, shoot up a flare if you spot "the thread".

 

[LakeAriel]

 

[chris1gill]

I'm going to a party tonight. Someone needs to take over the search for a "Why You Should Vote For John McCain" thread.

Never know when our friends on the other side of the political aisle just might stop worrying about Hillary and Obama and tell us why folks should vote for their standard bearer.

Surely, they're proud of him and can tell the good folks here why McCain is the one.

Please, shoot up a flare if you spot "the thread".

Wait, I've already told you I can't start that thread, and nobody on the other side of the aisle seems to want to enlighten us... sure someone can help.

 

[Hound 109]

No offense, but you're writing off both Obama and Hillary way too easily. November is an eternity away (politically speaking). McCain has a lot of time to make an *** out of himself, especially on the economy. I say sit back and wait.

I agree 100%. After the conventions, there will be 4-5 months of:

- the economy.
- the war.
- McCain's age.
- & the economy.

The Dem nominee will win 51-53% of the vote & 2/3rds of the electoral vote. (i just hope the coat tails extend to defeat my bonehead senator Cornyn & my idiot congressman Lamar (99% of americans like waterboarding) Smith.

(imo Obama & HC would get the same popular vote but HC would get higher electoral numbers....she'd pick up a couple of larger states that he wouldn't, but he would pick up a 3-4 swing smaller swing states that she wouldn't...either way the dems win against mccain.)

This dust up between BO & HC will be ancient history......like Guilani's double digit lead on everyone.