The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[MassJester]

Just curious if anyone else is watching the debate this evening? Does it start at 8ET or 9?

You bet!

 

[Fitswimmer]

Oh of course, it's always important questions when a "liberal" is attacked. But it is un-American to question a conservative.

Well, with McCain what we're going to hear every time a negative word is uttered is that it is unAmerican to criticize a war hero. Of course, it was perfectly OK to go after John Kerry, but that was different.

I admire Senator McCain for what he survived and I do believe he is a war hero. However, that does not absolve him of any responsibility for the choices he has made since then.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Just curious if anyone else is watching the debate this evening? Does it start at 8ET or 9?

Gotta work PetSmart....why do they keep putting these things on Thursdays!???

 

[JARNJ3]

You made me google "misogynistic"!

Main Entry: mi·sog·y·nis·tic
Pronunciation: m-säj--nis-tik
Function: adjective
: having or showing a hatred and distrust of women

I am not sure what you mean?

I tried responding to this last night - but the site went down.

Its just very easy to comment on the spouses' looks, the suggestions about what is she doing with him..... it makes me uncomfortable.....

Maybe misogynistic wasn't the right word..... but its too easy to make fun of the wife - ie why's Cindy with John - or Fred's wife..... it really isn't any of our business.

 

[wvrevy]

Also reported tonight, The AP says Hillary now needs a 57% win in ALL the remaining Primaries and Caucuses in order to win the nomination. That's a pretty daunting task, imho.

Actually, when you figure in the states that Barack's just about guaranteed to win - Vermont and North Carolina, to name two - that number gets up to 60 and 65% really quickly. And inreality, she needs to win 60% of the delegates, not just 60% of the vote, which means that, in some cases, she'll have to get around 70% of the vote just to clear 60% of the delegates.

There's a reason I was saying it was over yesterday. People were trying to pull a football analogy using this year's super bowl, but that doesn't fly. Hillary's not down less than a touchdown with 2:00 left on the clock. She's down 28 with less than a minute. I'm sorry, but you simply can't come back from that far down. There just isn't enough time.

Well, with McCain what we're going to hear every time a negative word is uttered is that it is unAmerican to criticize a war hero. Of course, it was perfectly OK to go after John Kerry, but that was different.

I admire Senator McCain for what he survived and I do believe he is a war hero. However, that does not absolve him of any responsibility for the choices he has made since then.

I am one that doesn't like the "romance" part of that story, and yes, it's because I actually do respect McCain's service to this country. He didn't deserve the swift boat bull**** that Bush put him through in South Carolina in 2000, and I'm not sure he deserves that.

YES...I fully believe he is a hypocrite that did favors for this lobbyist, and NO I have no problem with the Times pointing that out. I dunno...it's just something about the innuendo (the "his aides had to protect him from himself" part of it) that I have a bit of a problem with. I guess I'd just rather win the right way (not that Obama's campaign had anything to do with it...just...oh, you know what I mean).

 

[wvrevy]

I tried responding to this last night - but the site went down.

Its just very easy to comment on the spouses' looks, the suggestions about what is she doing with him..... it makes me uncomfortable.....

Maybe misogynistic wasn't the right word..... but its too easy to make fun of the wife - ie why's Cindy with John - or Fred's wife..... it really isn't any of our business.

Oh, come on...there's nothing mysoginistic about wondering what a young, beautiful woman sees in a man old enough to be her grandfather.

As for questioning the spouses of candidates...I see nothing wrong with it. The candidates spouse is going to be one of their closest advisors. If you get one like Laura Bush, it tells you something about the candidate. It also tells you something when the candidate's spouse is a strong, vibrant personality in their own right. Knowing more about the candidates spouses can help you answer the question, "Does this person like to surround his/herself with people that will always agree with him, or do they like people that will challenge them?" With the Obamas and the Clintons, I think the answer to that question is fairly obvious.

 

[LuvDuke]

I think they are public figures already. Bill is as much fair game as the rest--though being a past President, he gets more press. I do think sometimes too much interest is placed on the spouses of the candidates. They're not the ones who'd be POTUS.

I think this whole bit about spouses is going over the top. I really don't care to hear a speech from the candidate's spouse or the candidate's family especially at the conventions. It's nothing more than theater and most of them aren't that interesting anyway.

Having said that, Cindi McCain could've shown some class and either said nothing, or said something to the effect of "Mrs. Obama probably misspoke". But, no, they've got to throw that dig in their so the McCain's can shore up their credentials with Republican rightwing nuts.

I couldn't imagine Eleanor Roosevelt or Lady Bird Johnson or Betty Ford or Nancy Reagan or Rosalyn Carter doing something like that. They had class. Cindi McCain has none and follows in the Barbara Bush tradition of classless buffoons.

 

[Laura]

As for questioning the spouses of candidates...I see nothing wrong with it. The candidates spouse is going to be one of their closest advisors. If you get one like Laura Bush, it tells you something about the candidate. It also tells you something when the candidate's spouse is a strong, vibrant personality in their own right. Knowing more about the candidates spouses can help you answer the question, "Does this person like to surround his/herself with people that will always agree with him, or do they like people that will challenge them?" With the Obamas and the Clintons, I think the answer to that question is fairly obvious.

I agree with that aspect of it. I just think at times the media goes overboard with their coverage. ...But that's kind of a given, isnt it?

 

[Fitswimmer]

I agree with that aspect of it. I just think at times the media goes overboard with their coverage. ...But that's kind of a given, isnt it?

Gotta fill that 24 hours worth of TV time....

 

[Chloe'sMom]

I agree with that aspect of it. I just think at times the media goes overboard with their coverage. ...But that's kind of a given, isnt it?

As a former journalism major I can tell you that the worst thing to ever happen to journalism is 24 hour news coverage. TERRIBLE.

~Amanda

 

[eclectics]

I couldn't imagine Eleanor Roosevelt or Lady Bird Johnson or Betty Ford or Nancy Reagan or Rosalyn Carter doing something like that. They had class. Cindi McCain has none and follows in the Barbara Bush tradition of classless buffoons.

I saw Michelle Obama on Larry King and was very impressed. She is intelligent, witty, and eloquent as well as tough. Together they make a pretty good team, imho. Cindi McCain always seems to me that she'd rather be anywhere else but where she is. She reminds me of Pat Nixon in that respect.

 

[DisneyDad1960]

Good morning everyone!

Just a couple of random thoughts.

The McCain stuff in todays NYT is old news. This was written by reporters with an axe to grind about losing their jobs due to downsizing.

I've had a couple of days to reflect about the demise of my candidates campaign in this primary season and one thing has jumped out at me.
Senator Obama has taken the 1992 Bill Clinton campaign handbook - kicked it up a notch and ran with it.

My observations:
1) both got their big boost nationally by delivering the keynote address at the Convention four years before they actually ran. Clinton was basically the young governor of Arkansas and Obama was really unknown.
2)both have Ivy League educated lawyer wives who are not afraid of speaking their minds when it comes to their husbands or the issues. I always thought Mrs. Clinton had a political agenda, I'm not sure about Mrs. Obama, only time will tell.
and 3) The Obama rally cry of "got hope" is the one got me the most. When President Clinton started his campaign in the early nineties he was always introduced as the Man From HOPE!
There are more similarities, but just think about it.
We're All In This Together (Disney reference - 2 points)

Michael

 

[wvrevy]

Just posted a new thread on Bill'O's "lynching party" comments from Faux News radio. Considering the president just came out on Monday and said that "lynching" isn't a word that should ever be used in jest, it should be interesting to watch people trying to defend the scumbag.

And if you didn't read or hear his comments, you definitely should check it out.

 

[DISUNC]

I tried responding to this last night - but the site went down.

Its just very easy to comment on the spouses' looks, the suggestions about what is she doing with him..... it makes me uncomfortable.....

Maybe misogynistic wasn't the right word..... but its too easy to make fun of the wife - ie why's Cindy with John - or Fred's wife..... it really isn't any of our business.

You are right....But it is in tacky Fun!

 

[DISUNC]

As a former journalism major I can tell you that the worst thing to ever happen to journalism is 24 hour news coverage. TERRIBLE.

~Amanda

OT! I am enjoying your site! And with what I know I agree with you 100% (Carribean beach), so what I dont know I will agree with ya too!
Im checking out Saratoga Springs.

I am sooooooooo happy that "Main Street Bakery - CS is Under $415!!!!!

 

[DISUNC]

Just posted a new thread on Bill'O's "lynching party" comments from Faux News radio. Considering the president just came out on Monday and said that "lynching" isn't a word that should ever be used in jest, it should be interesting to watch people trying to defend the scumbag.

And if you didn't read or hear his comments, you definitely should check it out.

Bill O'Reilly said somthing stupid?????? I am SHOCKED!

 

[DISUNC]

Well, with McCain what we're going to hear every time a negative word is uttered is that it is unAmerican to criticize a war hero. Of course, it was perfectly OK to go after John Kerry, but that was different.

I admire Senator McCain for what he survived and I do believe he is a war hero. However, that does not absolve him of any responsibility for the choices he has made since then.

What happened to him as a POW is absolutely HORRENDUS! But to use the POW horrors as a "free pass card" is also horrendus!

 

["Got Disney"]

Bush is now OFFICIALLY the worst President ever! Like WE didnt know

19% Approval rating!


http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

When I wee him on TV Dh laughs at me and says "Robin your boyfriend is on TV"...he knows how I Bushy baby

When they go on TV and take the microphone to stump for hubby, they have brought themselves into the public eye.

I feel that they should make themselves known after all they play an important part with there husbands. After all they are most likely there closest confidant

Yes, Michelle Obama is fair game. But I love that she gets out there and has an opinion. I would rather have her get raked over the coals here and there for saying something wrong, then to do the Laura Bush walk ten paces behind your husband, stare adoringly at him with glazed over eyes, Stepford wife act.

Bush's wife is as useless as he is IMO.

True very true. Although Dick's family gets smaller and smaller every time he goes hunting!

Just curious if anyone else is watching the debate this evening? Does it start at 8ET or 9?

Yes but have to DVR some of it because I have a high school meeting for my son who is entering into HS next year.

Oh, come on...there's nothing mysoginistic about wondering what a young, beautiful woman sees in a man old enough to be her grandfather.

I was wondering how old she was ..she is 54 ....my DS and I were listening to McCain's speech the other night and my 14 y.o said she looked funny like a Barby doll...he said she had that Michael Jackson look like she was plastic ....has she had some kind of plastic surgery she is pretty in a strange kinda way.

I think that wives in an election should be vocal because we are not just getting there husbands we are also electing them.

 

[LuvDuke]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23348477]I think that wives in an election should be vocal because we are not just getting there husbands we are also electing them. [/QUOTE]

No, we are not electing them. We are electing the candidate. All this emphasis on what the spouse thinks or the children think is just more of the BS fodder that's taken over politics. Frankly, I don't give a crap what any of them think. It's irrelevant to who signs the bills and who pushes the nuclear button.

When I see a spouse's name on the ballot is when I'll actually give a damn what they think.

 

[wvrevy]

No, we are not electing them. We are electing the candidate. All this emphasis on what the spouse thinks or the children think is just more of the BS fodder that's taken over politics. Frankly, I don't give a crap what any of them think. It's irrelevant to who signs the bills and who pushes the nuclear button.

When I see a spouse's name on the ballot is when I'll actually give a damn what they think.

See, I really do want to hear what the spouses think about things, though I don't hold them to the same standards that I would hold a candidate. Like I said before, I think the type of person the candidate is married to says a lot about them. If they are married to a vibrant, intelligent person (The Obamas and Clintons), then they're likely to want people like that around them to challenge their thinking on the issues. If they're married to a mouse, however, it might indicate that the only people they'll have around them are those that agree with them. Again...Bush is a perfect example of that.

I still wanna see a spousal debate between Bill Clinton and Michelle Obama. I really like both of them, and man that'd be fun to watch. I bet Bill would win - he should, anyway - but I bet Michelle would win a few points and make him sweat it out.