The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[DISUNC]

But isn't it a great thing when people, especially around my age, are this energized and involved in a candidate? This primary has been a great example of our democracy, not to be too corny. .

Yes & NO!

Yes, if like you and are knowledgable & aware of the issues & history of the candidates.

No, if as I think many of your generation are, not as savy to the real politics.
I just had this discussion on another thread.
I grew up in NYC during the 60/70's. We had Civic classes, Current event classes and from the time I was 12 till graduation, WE HAD to read the NYT everyday and do a daily report on any story. It was very very common for our generation to watch the news every night. This was MUST SEE TV! Part of this was due we were being Drafted into Vietnam, and then Watergate.
This no longer is the case of the majority.

If I were the Republicans, I'd be scared looking at the huge enthusiasm and turnout for the Democrats..

Dont be lulled into a false security. They CAN come out in froves on Election day...and vote the Rebuplican candidate in. This numbers just reflect they dont care about who runs now.

Going from Obama's to McCain's speech last night was striking - it was as though he was addressing another AARP meeting. And there was zero diversity in that room that I saw at least.

The other day when McCain was giving his 'very foced' speach to the Partys BIG TIME conservatives...I said I wish I had the Toupe Booth there. I could rake in the BIG $$$$$$! When they panned the room it was one bad rug after another.
That is stereotypicng...BUT still!

 

[LuvDuke]

Yes & NO!

Yes, if like you and are knowledgable & aware of the issues & history of the candidates.

No, if as I think many of your generation are, not as savy to the real politics.
I just had this discussion on another thread.
I grew up in NYC during the 60/70's. We had Civic classes, Current event classes and from the time I was 12 till graduation, WE HAD to read the NYT everyday and do a daily report on any story. It was very very common for our generation to watch the news every night. This was MUST SEE TV!
This no longer is the case of the majority.


Dont be lulled into a false security. They CAN come out in froves on Election day...and vote the Rebuplican candidate in. This numbers just reflect they dont care about who runs now.


The other day when McCain was giving his 'very foced' speach to the Partys BIG TIME conservatives...I said I wish I had the Toupe Booth there. I could rake in the BIG $$$$$$! When they panned the room it was one bad rug after another.
That is stereotypicng...BUT still!

You and I are "of a certain age". No, young people do not watch the nightly news. Hell, neither do I since they've become "segment" shows for entertainment. I used to watch Lou Dobbs. In the interest of my tv's health, I stopped watching him for fear I'll fling something at the tv. But, I digress.

People are getting their information from other sources that we did not have growing up. We watched the nightly news because, other than newspapers, it was the only game in town. THe internet is a huge source of information and many people get their information there. The word is getting out. Just not from the traditional sources.

 

[Fitswimmer]

You and I are "of a certain age". No, young people do not watch the nightly news. Hell, neither do I since they've become "segment" shows for entertainment. I used to watch Lou Dobbs. In the interest of my tv's health, I stopped watching him for fear I'll fling something at the tv. But, I digress.

People are getting their information from other sources that we did not have growing up. We watched the nightly news because, other than newspapers, it was the only game in town. THe internet is a huge source of information and many people get their information there. The word is getting out. Just not from the traditional sources.

DN gets everything off the 'net. She gets the RSS feeds from the major newspapers across the country and keeps up on the headlines. Some of her friends have video and other updates sent to their phones. Then, there's the Daily Show. She gets a lot from there-and while I continue to remind her it's entertainment and it's not objective-she's still taking a lot from it.

 

[DISUNC]

2) Obama has ceased to be a candidate and has become a movement. Thank God, he's not Hitler.

Bad example.

Hitler wasnt "Hilter" until he got the power!

I AM NOT SAYING OBAMA IS HILTLER BY ANYYYYYYYYYYYY MEANS!

I am a history freak here talking.....and dont even really want to post this, but....What the heck..knowledge is good!

there are some some freaky similarities between the two.
Hilter came into power after the German financial sytem started collapsing , he got the youth of the country all excited. The Germans had it "up to here" with there government & Hitler really wowed them.

Hitler ran on a platform of hope & change!

 

[LuvDuke]

Bad example.

Hitler wasnt "Hilter" until he got the power!

I AM NOT SAYING OBAMA IS HILTLER BY ANYYYYYYYYYYYY MEANS!

I am a history freak here talking.....and dont even really want to post this, but....What the heck..knowledge is good!

there are some some freaky similarities between the two.
Hilter came into power after the German financial sytem started collapsing , he got the youth of the country all excited. The Germans had it "up to here" with there government & Hitler really wowed them.

Hitler ran on a platform of hope & change!

This is a perfect example of cutting the other side off at the knees by stealing their argument and turning it into comedy.

Masterfully done.

 

[DISUNC]

You and I are "of a certain age". No, young people do not watch the nightly news. Hell, neither do I since they've become "segment" shows for entertainment. I used to watch Lou Dobbs. In the interest of my tv's health, I stopped watching him for fear I'll fling something at the tv. But, I digress. .

I do watch or listen to Lou (on Sattelite radio)..but he is a ONE (2 )TRICK PONY....his reasoning for all the ills of this country is either the 2 party system or illegal immigration.

People are getting their information from other sources that we did not have growing up. We watched the nightly news because, other than newspapers, it was the only game in town. THe internet is a huge source of information and many people get their information there. The word is getting out. Just not from the traditional sources.

Thats fine, BUT getting REAL info off the internet is risky business! As is hearing todays News Correspondents/analysts/talking heads and mistaking them for REAL REPORTERS!

How many people watch FOX and think they are getting unbiased, stick to the facts news????? Yes MSNBC & CNN do it to a degree too...but NOT as blatant as FOX!

FYI: did you see The Daily Show last night....they showed Romney talking about how ITS THE MEDIA playing up his religion ...Then they showed many clips of his speaches when in FACT he was talking about GOD in Government. Even so much with his Christmas Video, the silouette of the Cross in the background!!!!! Very scary stuff

 

[Fitswimmer]

OK, I won't comment on number 2, but I was watching CNN & they showed either candidate winning all the remaining states by a 60-40 split & neither candidate can come up with all the delegates needed, so it will more than likely go to the Super's to decide, go figure...

OH good, Bushy is on TV right this second saying how there are terrorist's planning further worse attacks on our country, and we should be scared so now we have this new legislation to further wiretap phones without warrants. OOPS, he couldn't go more than a minute without mention 9/11.

He's trying to help John McCain-expect more of this as we get closer to November. Perhaps the terror alerts will return?

 

[DISUNC]

Then, there's the Daily Show. She gets a lot from there-and while I continue to remind her it's entertainment and it's not objective-she's still taking a lot from it.

One wil always learn more with humor than through beating of the brow!

 

[Laura]

Thanks! She'll be glad to hear that. She's got her strategy for getting Obama the win in Ohio all figured out. I'm sure she's driving her roommates insane...

Yes, she'll be able to vote at her school. She may want to get an absentee ballot; the lines were loooooong at Ohio universities in 2004. (Gosh, I wonder why?)

 

[DISUNC]

This is a perfect example of cutting the other side off at the knees by stealing their argument and turning it into comedy.

Masterfully done.

Thanks!

I am shocked the other side'hasnt picked up on this yet! Perhaps they are stuck in "he is a druggie Muslim" mode!!!!!!!!

 

[DISUNC]

Yes, she'll be able to vote at her school. She may want to get an absentee ballot; the lines were loooooong at Ohio universities in 2004. (Gosh, I wonder why?)

Rumor has it, Ohio is the new Florida!

 

[DISUNC]

He's trying to help John McCain-expect more of this as we get closer to November. Perhaps the terror alerts will return?

Trust me...come the end of SUMMER we wil be in.....THE TERROR ALERT IS IMMINANT phase! "WE KNOW THEY ARE COMING, WE JUST DONT KNOW WHERE OR WHEN!!!!!!"

Mark these words...and dont forget who told ya first!!!!

Nutin makes me happier than saying.."I told ya so"!

 

[Laura]

Rumor has it, Ohio is the new Florida!

Let's hope not. It's easier to get an absentee ballot in Ohio now, though. Before you had to give some reason. Also you can vote early. The good news is we have a new Secretary of State. J. Krooked Blackwell is GONE.
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/PublicAffairs/voterInfoGuide.aspx

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Yep, I was pretty surprised at the results especially here in VA - not just because of beating her by almost 30 points, but as you said, he won her bases. I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that the majority of Democrats like both and now that Obama is rolling in primary after primary, they are tending towards him.

I think the Americans Abroad results should be in today and from reports I've read, it should be a big win for Obama again.

Like LuvDuke said, he's created a movement (Obama uber alles!! ). The momentum that Obama is building by winning all these primaries is definitely helping him in subsequent contests and because their platforms are so similar, it's turning into a popularity contest of sorts. Also, the fact that we now know that McCain's the right's dead man du jour, most Dems look at the polls, see who's "more likely" to beat McCain, and vote Obama. Love Hillary, but her campaign's chances are looking a bit grim. That being said, she's a scrapper, and I wouldn't count her out at this point of the game...

 

[lilyv]

Trust me...come the end of SUMMER we wil be in.....THE TERROR ALERT IS IMMINANT phase! "WE KNOW THEY ARE COMING, WE JUST DONT KNOW WHERE OR WHEN!!!!!!"

Mark these words...and dont forget who told ya first!!!!

Nutin makes me happier than saying.."I told ya so"!

Lets see...do we head to the shelter if the alert is canary yellow or is it chartruse? I have a heck of a time keeping all the panic colors sorted out.

 

[Laura]

Love Hillary, but her campaign's chances are looking a bit grim. That being said, she's a scrapper, and I wouldn't count her out at this point of the game...

I agree with that. It isn't over yet.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Lets see...do we head to the shelter if the alert is canary yellow or is it chartruse? I have a heck of a time keeping all the panic colors sorted out.

You know, that was part of the end for me with the Bush Administration. I couldn't help but notice how those alerts were always so well timed with a specific vote or some piece of information that was coming out about the war.

 

[DISUNC]

Let's hope not. It's easier to get an absentee ballot in Ohio now, though. Before you had to give some reason. Also you can vote early. The good news is we have a new Secretary of State. J. Krooked Blackwell is GONE.
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/PublicAffairs/voterInfoGuide.aspx

Here in PA you need to have a reason for voting with a abentee ballot too!

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

You know, that was part of the end for me with the Bush Administration. I couldn't help but notice how those alerts were always so well timed with a specific vote or some piece of information that was coming out about the war.

Why is it that you can see it, I can see it, and everyone to the left of Heinrich frickin' Himmler can see it, but the Bush huggers still just refuse to get it?!?!

 

[Fitswimmer]

Why is it that you can see it, I can see it, and everyone to the left of Heinrich frickin' Himmler can see it, but the Bush huggers still just refuse to get it?!?!

I don't know-but I do know that I had to put one of them on ignore so I don't get any more points....