The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[LuvDuke]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

Keep trying, John.

 

[MassJester]

I just can't see her walking away while there is any chance that she could still win-no matter how slim that chance may look.

She shouldn't be thinking about walking away today--not with an important election next Tuesday.

Her cadre (Bill, Carville, etc.) set some pretty specific expectations for this next round of elections. As always, I'm sure her campaign will evaluate her position after the election. There's no need to do it before.

Serious election efforts on our side require big money and super delegates. If Tuesday is not perceived as a "win" for her, then those will be in shorter supply.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

And this is what I admire about her the most - she is fighting for what she believes in and is not a quitter. There are many people behind this woman (millions), who believe she is the best choice. She is speaking for us.

And until there isn't truly a chance - I am with her 100%.

I've got no qualms with her continuing to run as the primaries aren't over and the race is close. I just wish the two would quit snipping at each other and focus on their own plans rather then discreditting the other one.

~Amanda

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Anyone see her on SNL last night? She was pretty good.

 

[shortbun]

Anyone see her on SNL last night? She was pretty good.

I taped it and thanks for the reminder to watch. I figured it would be pretty good this week too.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

Anyone see her on SNL last night? She was pretty good.

I saw Rudy last night on SNL and thought it was funny. Missed Hillary but I fell asleep pretty early.

~Amanda

 

[KyDerbyMan]

Bill Clinton in 2004:

"One of Clinton's laws of politics is, if one candidate is trying to scare you, and the other one is trying to make you think, if one candidate's appealing to your fears, and the other one's appealing to your hopes. You better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZW0m2nWB_M


uhh... engage in hypocrisy much, Bill?

 

[LuvDuke]

Hillary Clinton cannot win at the ballot box or in the caucuses. She will lose big on Tuesday. The same pattern is happening in Tuesday's primaries: Hillary Clinton loses a big lead, she dwindles down to a few point's either way pre-election , and she loses the primaries by big margins.

Maureen Dowd made a wonderful observation:

"It is only because of the utter open-mindedness of the press that Hillary can lose 11 contests in a row and still be treated as a contender."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/opinion/27dowd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

The only way she can win is by convincing the super-delegates to abandon the voters OR take the Florida/Michigan/Texas and whoever else to court to put aside the rules she agreed to before the voting started.

There's nothing honorable or "spunky" about that kind of behavior. That kind of behavior is win at all costs and the voting public and rules be damned.

Luckily for Hillary Clinton, if she should succeed in her various maneuvers, she'll have John McCain as an opponent. Enough people will hold their nose and vote for her, but she will NOT unite the country. It'll be 4 more years of the same old/same old. All because of one's person's sense of entitlement to the presidency.

 

[DISUNC]

but she will NOT unite the country..

I will ask this question..yet again! IS THE COUNTRY DIVIDED???? I say no it isnt!

It'll be 4 more years of the same old/same old. All because of one's person's sense of entitlement to the presidency.

Yup Obama certainly thinks he is entitled to be President.

 

[DISUNC]

I saw Rudy last night on SNL and thought it was funny. Missed Hillary but I fell asleep pretty early.

~Amanda

She was on the beginning of the show.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

He seemed to be sending a message to the Clinton campaign that was pretty clear. The candidate with the most delegates after Tuesday has to be the nominee. John McCain will be a tougher adversary than many think and its time to join forces under one banner.

 

[Laura]

McCain will be a tough adversary. That's a big reason why I'm for Obama getting the Democratic nomination. All signs point to him being able to take independent voters away from McCain, and Hillary wouldn't.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

Anyone see her on SNL last night? She was pretty good.

I saw HC on SNL, and she was pretty good

 

[NewJersey]

He seemed to be sending a message to the Clinton campaign that was pretty clear. The candidate with the most delegates after Tuesday has to be the nominee. John McCain will be a tougher adversary than many think and its time to join forces under one banner.

Yeah I think that was a big message of wha'ts to come on Wednesday from others if Clinton can't get two big wins in TX and OH (not 5%).

 

[Fitswimmer]

I saw HC on SNL, and she was pretty good

I thought so too. I think she really is a nice person with a good sense of humor-but that side of her doesn't get a chance to come out very often.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Yeah I think that was a big message of wha'ts to come on Wednesday from others if Clinton can't get two big wins in TX and OH (not 5%).

President Clinton said himself that if she doesn't win both, then she simply cannot win the nomination. I'm thinking if she doesn't win both, she'll pull out before PA. Maybe not right away, but I think the party's leaders will probably get together and tell her that it's over. I also believe that she'll get in line with the party and do everything that she can to get Barack elected come November. With a D President, she'll wield more power in the Senate and have far more opportunity to get things done.

Of course, on the Conservative thread, they're talking about Hill tanking the Democratic party out of spite. Unfortunately for them, the only Hillary they know is the caricature that they get on the Rush Limbaugh Show. They definitely don't know Hill like we know Hill.

 

[Planogirl]

He seemed to be sending a message to the Clinton campaign that was pretty clear. The candidate with the most delegates after Tuesday has to be the nominee. John McCain will be a tougher adversary than many think and its time to join forces under one banner.

That sounds good to me. I assume that Obama will reach out to Hillary supporters at some point? It probably wouldn't be a good idea to let them feel as disenfranchised as many of them seem to feel lately.

I get aggravated at this bit that it's so awful that Hillary won't give up right now. I don't see any sense in it until it's clear that Obama has it. Hillary still gets more attention than all of the Republican candidates have combined and that's a lot of supporters that will have to vote for someone.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

That sounds good to me. I assume that Obama will reach out to Hillary supporters at some point? It probably wouldn't be a good idea to let them feel as disenfranchised as many of them seem to feel lately.

I get aggravated at this bit that it's so awful that Hillary won't give up right now. I don't see any sense in it until it's clear that Obama has it. Hillary still gets more attention than all of the Republican candidates have combined and that's a lot of supporters that will have to vote for someone.

Honestly, I may be totally out of the loop, but I haven't heard anyone say that she should leave the race while she still has a chance. Who's saying this?

 

[JARNJ3]

President Clinton said himself that if she doesn't win both, then she simply cannot win the nomination. I'm thinking if she doesn't win both, she'll pull out before PA. Maybe not right away, but I think the party's leaders will probably get together and tell her that it's over. I also believe that she'll get in line with the party and do everything that she can to get Barack elected come November. With a D President, she'll wield more power in the Senate and have far more opportunity to get things done.

Of course, on the Conservative thread, they're talking about Hill tanking the Democratic party out of spite. Unfortunately for them, the only Hillary they know is the caricature that they get on the Rush Limbaugh Show. They definitely don't know Hill like we know Hill.

Here - buried within the article about Ohioans voting - is the reason why the Democratic race IS A MESS.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_555128.html

It takes 2,025 delegates to secure the nomination, and it is unlikely that either candidate will be able to do so without the support of the 796 so-called superdelegates -- governors, members of Congress and other party leaders who can vote however they please.

So Obama's voters are saying - even if we are ahead one pledged delegate (they are currently ahead by 100 or so), we deserve the nomination - so all the superdelegates should vote for us.

Clinton and her voters are saying - we deserve a piece of those 800 super delegates also.

And therein lies the problem.

I'll say it again - I love the fact that Clinton is not giving up or giving in.

Neither side can get to the 2,025 delegates without the super delegates.

This needs to be brokered to reach a reasonable conclusion.

 

[JARNJ3]

Honestly, I may be totally out of the loop, but I haven't heard anyone say that she should leave the race while she still has a chance. Who's saying this?

Its all over the blogosphere - and I'm pretty sure I read it in these parts on occasion.......