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[AirGoofy]

how 'bout them Heat?????


Hmmm, guess this page is now officially owned by the HEAT!!!

Great game. Bosh was huge, or you could blame Boozer's poor defense.

 

[theduck619]

I would like to post a clarification of a RANT I posted this weekend.

In regards to the whole May21st EotW.

What my point was...which after reading my rant was not clear...it is my practice to be respectful of everyones beliefs...regardless of how misguided I feel they may be. Because wheither we believe the same thing or not...that belief is very real to those whom believe it...wheither they are blindly following someones teachings or they came to this belief on there own.

I felt it reflected badly on us as a group to sit around and poke fun at others beliefs.

And thru it all...the one person I saw that made a well reasoned discussion got called out as being "preachy". While poking fun of the same subject was perfectly acceptable. That's not how I roll.

Well said sir

 

[AJRitz]

I'm a firm believer in what I stated before. Tolerance is a two-way street. Their intolerance of your involvement in something that you enjoy is exactly the opposite of what they are preaching. Essentially they're saying by acting in that way toward you is "we want you to change your life to accomodate our lifestyle".

No.

The best way that I can think of to handle it is to ignore it. If they press the issue, simply inform them that while you respect their opinion, you don't need to hear it. You are not required to sell them on scouting - you are, however, it is wise to defend your son and the practices that you involve yourselves in.

Actually, this characterization is contrary to both the historical development of the change in BSA policy to ban the participation of gay leaders and to the scientific evidence regarding homosexuality. First, a wide range of not-for-profit organizations sponsor Boy Scout troops. Even if we are limiting the discussion to religious organizations who sponsor Boy Scout troops, not all religious organizations share the same attitude about homosexuality. What BSA did was to change the former policy - which said absolutely nothing about the sexual orientation of leaders - to introduce a new policy that excluded homosexual leaders regardless of the position of the local sponsoring authority on the issue. The policy change was forced upon all sponsors because a majority of BSA's voting board chose to impose their own religious beliefs on the entire organization.

I would have disagreed with banning homosexual from leadership positions in any case, but I could have understood and even been tolerant of those sponsoring organizations who chose to exclude homosexual leaders based on their own religious beliefs. But imposing a ban on others who do not share their opinion is the height of intolerance. It produces the supreme irony that there are now BSA Troop-sponsoring organizations who are led by gay clergy, but whose clergy are ineligible to be leaders of the organization's own troop.

Second, it is important to recognize that banning gay scout leaders was NOT a reaction to "previous bad incidents." That's a canard. The policy change was triggered by changes in board membership and the religious beliefs of those board leaders. Statistically speaking (and yes, I did the literature review while in law school, when the Supreme Court case on this subject was pending), straight men are several multiples of times more likely to be child molesters than are gay men, and straight men are also more likely than gay men to be engaged in abusive violence toward children. There is no categorical reason to exclude gay men from leadership positions, aside from their status as gay men.

While I can appreciate and be tolerant of relgious beliefs that cannot countenance homosexuality, the imposition of that belief on others is indefensible. THAT is what is inconsistent with the lessons and message of Scouting. And, of course, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, as such actions drive away those who argue for a more inclusive approach, further consolidating the power within the organization of those who imposed those restrictions in the first place.

 

[theduck619]

Again, well said, Nate

It's so easy to have tone misconstrued on-line. What you might intend to be a gentle poke, another might interpret as a huge slam. What is remarkable about this group is that over the years scared1, we've never degenerated into "trolls" or "flaming" and have been able to discuss a variety of topics in a civil and respectful manner. I'm confident that this pattern will continue.

But while we're talking about sensitive off-topic topics, I'll bring up another one

Have any of you Scout dads had any issues with gay co-workers? Boy Scouts of America has a strict no-gay leader policy (as a result of some bad things historically) and so has a very bad reputation in the gay community. Personally, I have several family members who are gay and I don't give a rats-*ss what you do in your bedroom (as long as you're a good person, what do I care?) It doesn't happen often, but occassionally, I get "digged" from gay co-workers about my involvement in scouts. Has anyone else experienced this? And if so, how do you handle it? I'd be interested in your thoughts.

stepping up on my soap box, hmmm hmmm

I have been slammed for my religous beliefs by gay family members and i always remind them that I respect their choices and do not criticize them so I ask they do the same for me. It sounds easy but I make sure to do it with hard eye contact to let them know I am serious. I do not want to get in a debate with them over whose rights are more valuable.

This has reduced tension since they know I will slightly bite back if they push certain issues. If they want to be respected then they have to respect you!!

Stepping down, sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[Rental01]

[redacted] <-- this was a question regarding a co-worker and her son that I decided against posting

 

[theduck619]

Has anyone eaten at Citro's (sp?) in the GF? When we go in Nov. DW and I will have a chance to have dinner with just the two of us. Open to suggestions. We are not ones who will want to sport jackets or dresses for dinner.

 

[Turkey Lurkey]

Is anyone in our community (besides Katoot) involved in theatre? Acting, directing, etc?

Our local theatre is putting up "Chicago" soon*, and auditions are next week. I intend to try out, but I plan on telling the director that if he doesn't cast me as Amos, to not bother casting me. Is that too pretentious/diva-ish of me? (I know the way it's phrased makes it sound so)

It's the only part that I think I can feasibly play. I've got about 5 left feet when it comes to dancing, and as my Kermit video showed, I'm not all that great shakes at singing either, but I'm sure I can manage a little soft shoe and "Mr. Cellophane".




TL

*Which is about time, since the cast is mostly female and the theatre consistantly has trouble getting men to audition...

 

[trennr]

I liked it too, I want a blond mermaid!

Ye be her Jolly Sailor Bold?

 

[Emma's Dad]

Hi guys,

After many years on the boards i have discovered this club!
Better late than never right?

I found you actually via your podcast.

I will start by declaring my total fascination with all things Disney.

In our family I am chief planner, DW is the grounded one!

DD5 is my little princess and is a tink and general princesses superfan.

We are based in London, UK

We are DVC members and spend a minimum of three weeks per year at WDW and have been going every year for many years as a couple and then as a family.

We are heading to the boardwalk for three weeks at the beginning of august and we are buzzing with excitement.

I caution all readers that DW and I share this ID so I do not have gender issues sometimes on other threads it may be DW!!!!

Well that's me!

Raz (Mr)

Woohoo!! Welcome to the club! Happy to see our podcast bring more dads to the thread. You are member # 601!

I'd like to apply for official membership into the Dis Dad's club. How much are the dues and how do I get one of those cool Dis Dads symbols in my signature?

How do I know what my Disdad number will be? I notice that everyone has their member number prominently displayed in their signature. I want one too!

Welcome to the club! You are member # 602!

Hello Gentlemen! Very happy to discover this forum; I'm the chief Disney planner/dreamer/schemer in my household.

I read your member list and locations; I respectfully request permission to come aboard as member #601 (and apparently) the first from Maine.

Thanks guys!

Request granted! You are member # 603!

And for all of you:

WELCOME TO THE DIS DAD'S CLUB!

You have been added to the DIS Dad's Club list

 

[Rental01]

Is it soapbox time already?

Actually, this characterization is contrary to both the historical development of the change in BSA policy to ban the participation of gay leaders and to the scientific evidence regarding homosexuality. First, a wide range of not-for-profit organizations sponsor Boy Scout troops. Even if we are limiting the discussion to religious organizations who sponsor Boy Scout troops, not all religious organizations share the same attitude about homosexuality. What BSA did was to change the former policy - which said absolutely nothing about the sexual orientation of leaders - to introduce a new policy that excluded homosexual leaders regardless of the position of the local sponsoring authority on the issue. The policy change was forced upon all sponsors because a majority of BSA's voting board chose to impose their own religious beliefs on the entire organization...

First and foremost, there has been no concrete scientific evidence to link genetics with sexuality. There have been a lot of stories, but the evidence is often misleading and is often incomplete and it carries no consensus in the scientific community. For instance, if there were a genetic link to child pornographers or serial rapists, should we allow them equal rights to positions where they should have access to these children? I mean, it's genes, right? (Before I get dinged for this response, I'm not calling homosexuals child pornographers or rapists - I was just making a point.)

That said, I don't think there's any reason that any governmental body should force a private organization to change its rules. If homosexuals want to create their own version of scouting, they're free to do so. In fact, I'd encourage it. If it takes off, then people have the right to choose which version they want to join and everyone is a winner.

Arguing from statistics is always a bad proposition. There could always be a new statistic that comes out tomorrow from some other univeristy that shows exactly the opposite and now your argument is null and void. It's all about sources and where you go to for the highest level of authority. [This is where I'd normally put in a reference to secular wisdom and biblical authority. See? I'm exercising restraint!]

...While I can appreciate and be tolerant of relgious beliefs that cannot countenance homosexuality, the imposition of that belief on others is indefensible. THAT is what is inconsistent with the lessons and message of Scouting. And, of course, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, as such actions drive away those who argue for a more inclusive approach, further consolidating the power within the organization of those who imposed those restrictions in the first place.

Again, I say that if it's an issue they can start up their own scouting program. Leave it to the parents to choose which they want to place their children into. That's the beauty of America - you're free to do as you please within the law. I have a question about your following statement:

the imposition of that belief on others is indefensible

What makes it indefensible? I'm not picking a fight here, this is in all seriousness a simple question. Is it because they're a secular institution that makes this policy indefensible, or is it the belief itself that is indefensible?

 

[Cinderella's Fella]

Ye be her Jolly Sailor Bold?

Aye, I'm in Love!

 

[Cinderella's Fella]

3 ownage today, but who's keep track?

 

[Rental01]

3 ownage today, but who's keep track?

<-- thumb!

Goodjob! Go for 4! I had 4 in a row last week - each was completely by accident!

 

[trennr]

Aye, I'm in Love!

Just looking at your location description...I wonder if that make Wisconsin the land of "Berry" ?

 

[Emma's Dad]

I was there years and years ago, and stayed at a B&B up in Mt. Jackson (Widow Kip's). It was nice, but is about 10 miles NW of the Caverns. That might be in the wrong direction for you guys. And it's a B&B, so that might not be the best option for a family.

Thanks for the advice I've been looking into a few B&Bs.... but not sure that will work with all three of us. But actually... looks like we might be coming in from Ohio... so the northern accommodation may work

We will be spending a week in July in Williamsberg VA, I started a list of things to do in the area while we are there, We go a few times a year so we are familiar with the area, we are not really doing any Historic things, did it once (was kinda boring)

This is what I have so far

- Busch Gardens
- Water Country USA
- Virginia Zoo
- Virginia's Living Muesum
- Meet up with Don (or win lottery)
- US Army Trasportain Muesum
- Kings Dominion

For dinner we will be trying Bourboun Street one of those nights

Also I want to hit Richmond Rd, seems like there are alot of cool shops there, plus I can pick up a ham there

You may have a better chance of winning the lottery, Ron! Looks like we're going to be up in Ohio first week in July. No firm plans yet... but most likely will happen. You have date in mind in July?

 

[MichMickey]

michmickey, dw and i did our 25th anv. without dd. we had her blessing but she was also 16 at the time. dont feel bad about going without the kids. we had a blast just the two of us as it was before dd and as its going to be again. our dd is 18 and this trip will be her 25th trip so shes well taken care of.

Thanks! The good thing about coming out with this kind of question to you guys on the DDC Board is I know I'll get plent of support!

 

[DEA]

We will be spending a week in July in Williamsberg VA, I started a list of things to do in the area while we are there, We go a few times a year so we are familiar with the area, we are not really doing any Historic things, did it once (was kinda boring)

This is what I have so far

- Busch Gardens
- Water Country USA
- Virginia Zoo
- Virginia's Living Muesum
- Meet up with Don (or win lottery)
- US Army Trasportain Muesum
- Kings Dominion

For dinner we will be trying Bourboun Street one of those nights

Also I want to hit Richmond Rd, seems like there are alot of cool shops there, plus I can pick up a ham there

OK, there are a few important things to do in Williamsburg (spent my college years there):

1. Get sandwiches at the Cheese Shop. The Cheese Shop, in addition to selling... wait for it... cheese, also makes some of the best sandwiches known to mankind. They have a house dressing that they put on them that is very, very good. Good to the point that they also sell tubs of it and the ends from the bread loaves. The traditional student meal of "bread ends and house". It is on Duke of Gloucester Street (DOG Street), on the right if you are facing toward the Colonial Area.

2. Take a walk around the Ancient Campus of the College of William and Mary. No charge, and you can see some cool stuff, like the Wren Building, which was built in 1693, the Sunken Gardens (warning, students there over the summer might be sunbathing there ), and a little further on, Crim Dell, which has an Asian-looking bridge and has a legend attached to it that any couple who walks over the bridge will get married.

3. Try eating at one of the Delis adjacent to the College on Richmond Road. Paul's Deli or the College Delly are very popular student hangouts... eh, I may just be getting nostalgic for underage drinking...

Thanks Ryan! DW and I did are Honeymoon in Disney as well as our 10 year anniversary. Our experience on those 2 trips convinced me (and probably DW too) that I would be going down whenever I had the chance.

Speaking of TS meals they took out my favorite place to go for steak when they closed the Concourse Restaurant at the Contemporary. What TS meal is your favorite if you are going with just your wife?

Date nights for us have been Yachtsman Steakhouse, Flying Fish, Jiko, and Citricos recently, and all three are great. We had a particularly good experience at Flying Fish last week, although that was actually with the whole family. Jiko is the most romantic room, Citricos feels the most open and airy, and Flying Fish and Yachtsman have the proximity to the Boardwalk.

For a non-signature TS meal, Sanaa is the best of the bunch for me.

Has anyone eaten at Citro's (sp?) in the GF? When we go in Nov. DW and I will have a chance to have dinner with just the two of us. Open to suggestions. We are not ones who will want to sport jackets or dresses for dinner.

Citricos is great for a casual but upscale meal. I think it is a great choice: Open and airy, and doesn't seem to get outrageously loud, feels very casual, even in the GF and just across from V&A's, and they put out a very good meal.

 

[MichMickey]

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I haven't tried it myself yet, but everything I'm hearing suggests that Artist's Pointe over at the Wilderness Lodge would make for a great romantic dinner for two. It's a bit smaller and quieter than California Grill or Narcoosee. AJ over at the Disney Food Blog raves about her last two visits to Artists Pointe, and now calls it one of her favorite restaurants in all of WDW.

Thanks for the Recommendation Aaron! I feel like you can't go wrong with anything at the WL, I love Roaring Forks and the Whispering Canyon Cafe. My DW was a little squeamish when she looked at the AP menu a few years ago but it might be a good time to go back and take a 2nd look!

On a whole other subject I love the DDC Podcast! I have only been able to listen to 4 of them so far but I am looking forward to getting to the rest sometime soon. I appreciate all the work that you and your panel members put into them.

 

[RodBelding]

michmickey, dw and i did our 25th anv. without dd. we had her blessing but she was also 16 at the time. dont feel bad about going without the kids. we had a blast just the two of us as it was before dd and as its going to be again. our dd is 18 and this trip will be her 25th trip so shes well taken care of.

DW and I had this discussion last night, whether or not we'd head to WDW without the kids. I think we would, for all the reasons stated earlier, but not until they kiddos are a bit older...

 

[MichMickey]

OK, there are a few important things to do in Williamsburg (spent my college years there):

1. Get sandwiches at the Cheese Shop. The Cheese Shop, in addition to selling... wait for it... cheese, also makes some of the best sandwiches known to mankind. They have a house dressing that they put on them that is very, very good. Good to the point that they also sell tubs of it and the ends from the bread loaves. The traditional student meal of "bread ends and house". It is on Duke of Gloucester Street (DOG Street), on the right if you are facing toward the Colonial Area.

2. Take a walk around the Ancient Campus of the College of William and Mary. No charge, and you can see some cool stuff, like the Wren Building, which was built in 1693, the Sunken Gardens (warning, students there over the summer might be sunbathing there ), and a little further on, Crim Dell, which has an Asian-looking bridge and has a legend attached to it that any couple who walks over the bridge will get married.

3. Try eating at one of the Delis adjacent to the College on Richmond Road. Paul's Deli or the College Delly are very popular student hangouts... eh, I may just be getting nostalgic for underage drinking...





Date nights for us have been Yachtsman Steakhouse, Flying Fish, Jiko, and Citricos recently, and all three are great. We had a particularly good experience at Flying Fish last week, although that was actually with the whole family. Jiko is the most romantic room, Citricos feels the most open and airy, and Flying Fish and Yachtsman have the proximity to the Boardwalk.

For a non-signature TS meal, Sanaa is the best of the bunch for me.




Citricos is great for a casual but upscale meal. I think it is a great choice: Open and airy, and doesn't seem to get outrageously loud, feels very casual, even in the GF and just across from V&A's, and they put out a very good meal.

Thanks for all the recommendations! DW and I strolled through the BW on our honeymoon but we haven't been back since then. I am always looking for another TS location that serves a good Filet!