The Current Disneyland Annual Pass Program Has Been Cancelled

I'm sure they will shower the guests that are big spenders with perks that are far superior to what they received before.
For what purpose? They’ve already shown that they’re willing to spend more than the average guest. Why give them more for the same amount of money, especially post-COVID when people will be looking for places to visit and spend money? Big spenders don’t need to be courted. Disney already has them.

The guests that don't spend as much will get shafted.
I question whether this will happen. The guests that spend less likely constitute the majority of park visitors. Perhaps 70%? It doesn’t pay to alienate them. A balance of both big and smaller spenders is likely preferred/attainable.

I don't get the local vs. tourist argument. Disney could care less if you live across the street or across the country. It is how much money you are spending at the park that they care about.
Locals are prone to visit more often and therefore will have more opportunities to spend money at the parks. My guess is that big spenders likely come once or twice a year. Certainly not thirty or forty.
 
I have a feeling this group of APs will be okay, you guys are serious enough to find value, analyze the new levels and quickly learn to navigate a new system with new hoops and max the crap out of it. Less serious DL fans will fall away, but I DO think you will find your way. With any kind of membership there will be a way to maximize it to get better value than tickets. For now, I am so sorry as it is offensive. But...they need you. We all know they need you.

And I do not understand non-locals dancing with joy, our price increase and bad news is coming baby and it's going to HURT! They have to slash their crowds. And if we aren't kinder, when we coming bawling about whatever astronomical price it is or no access for the first six months, the locals aren't going to have any sympathy for us. I think it's going to be bad, really, really bad.
 
We live in Oregon and had purchased the flex passes for our family Dec 2019 (visited in Dec 2019) with a view of returning Easter, Halloween and Xmas in 2020. Obviously those plans did not pan out. Bummed that they cancelled the AP's we also derived a lot of value just knowing we could hop on a plane on a whim and be at Disneyland in 5-6 hours if we really wanted to.

I understand the decision. It sounds like they may be operating under low capacity limits for quite some time. Even if APs never return that won't stop us from visiting multiple times per year once they re-open with no social distancing restrictions (may have to wait a few years on that one).
 

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I agree. Going to Disneyland when it opens will cost a pretty penny.
In other words, business as usual ;-).

The last AP I had cost $1,350. I imagine a comparable one — if it’s offered — will cost me $2,000+. I used to joke with friends that we all complained when AP prices increased. But we’d all also pay for them :-).
 
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I'm sure the WonkaKid would appreciate a system that rewards guests who get high scores on Buzz Lightyear... :)

New system

Value pass : Max score on Buzz of 1,000,000
Signature Pass: Max score on Buzz of 2,000,000
Premier Pass: Unlimited score
Diamondest/Saphhirest/Gold Pass of all: Includes personalized gun with extra buttons.

I am joking, but they are going to monetize just about everything before they are done. :P
 
I would be absolutely shocked if they only give credit for the upgrade amount.

Upgrade APs are back-dated to the date that you first used the multi-day ticket - essentially pretending you bought the AP on day 1. And, typically, the amount you paid for the upgrade varied based on what you paid for the initial ticket. If they only refund the upgrade amount, people who started with a 1-Day/1-Park ticket would get a bigger refund than someone who started with a multi-day parkhopper, which wouldn't make sense.

And, honestly, I can't imagine that they know if an AP was upgraded or not, and/or how much the person paid for the upgrade. In their system, it likely just says that they have an AP that started on X-date and expires on Y-Date. There are so many ways that people can buy tickets (and so many varying prices), I'd wager pretty heavily that they'll just use a stock price for each AP and base the refund off of that, rather than try to do individual calculations.

My in-laws upgraded from 3-day tickets with Maxpass to Flex Pass with no Maxpass. They had 8 months and 10 days remaining on their passes when the parks closed. Their per pass refund was $220.77. I've done the math a lot of ways and I still can't pin down how Disney did their math.
 
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For those saying they are happy because AP packed the park how does canceling AP mean lesser crowds?

My whole family has (had) AP and just because they discontinue does not mean I will stop going as much as I do with the AP. I guess the main difference will be the discounts. At least for me and my family we go do DL because we love it and will spend any free time there having a AP is just a nice perk.

I don't know if this will help, but here's my attempt to answer your question. I may be wrong, but here's why I think people will go less, resulting in reduced AP crowds, if they have to pay per day like tourists rather than having an Annual Pass. This just applies to local APs who can pop over with little to no planning, not those who plan multi-day trips. I could be wrong on these assumptions--happens all the time!

Assume an AP goes 2x per month for a day for 24 days in the park at a FlexPass price of $700 (I think that's what our last FlexPass with MaxPass cost...) Cost per day is $29.17
If they still want to go 2x per month for a day then 24 days * $150 per day = $3,600--5x as expensive. The cost becomes prohibitive for many. They can bring cost down by going multiple days at a time instead of just one weekend day.

Of course these numbers aren't exact and the "membership" will very likely bring the cost down to far less than $150 per day. But likely not down to $30 per day. The more times someone goes in a year, the bigger the spread in cost is between the former AP cost and the per-day cost. I find it hard to believe that as many people will drop into Disneyland in the evenings after work to catch dinner, a ride or two, and fireworks without an AP as they did with an AP. People like me out of state who have tried to plan two to three trips in a year for a few days each time with an AP may not find that cost effective. Guessing some will have to drop a trip or two. I doubt there will be many in any of these cases who will want to go more because prices went up. With our AP and a 700 mile drive to get to Disneyland, we were planning on late-April, mid-June, late-September and early-December trips in 2020 (and were assuming we'd now do it in 2021 instead on our extended passes until the past couple days). Now it will just be one with the refunded unused AP balance.

I believe there are some who buy the AP and consider that their entertainment for the year. Fixed cost paid once and nearly unlimited trips for a year after that, if close travel-wise. Won't work as easily on a pay-per-day for those folks either. Mom's bringing kids to the Park for the day or for play dates with other families, less likely. Teenage groups going all the time, less likely. Sure, there are some who will still go often and can pay for the privilege, but that can't be very many. Seems most on this Board who are local APs are sad they won't be able to go as often as they have been, and their sadness is legitimate and real.

Yes, I picked extreme examples, but the point of the entrance cost per day going up is, I believe, valid. As prices go up, overall demand is likely to decrease. Sure there are some families who will pay the cost no matter what. But I feel many will have to cut back the number of days in the Park as the price increases. Disneyland is a premium cost experience without an AP.

I welcome contrary thoughts on the above that see holes in my logic of increased price resulting in less demand/attendance. :)
 
I think you are right Dr G. It’s going to cut back on crowds because people will not buy a full day pass in order to go for a few hours. This is going to be hardest on people who are used for going to the parks weekly or multiple times weekly on the fly. One way or another, visits will likely be capped somehow.

We had Signature passes, and while we never went more than twice a month, often less, knowing that we could go anytime was a huge luxury. It meant that we didn’t have to rush. And that was the trade off. It may have been crowded, but it didn’t matter because you could always come back to do what you’d miss

I will say one thing...putting an AP on automatic withdrawal was a very “out of sight, out of mind” situation for us. If we are put in a situation where we are paying up front for every visit, and certainly at regular day ticket prices, how much we actually spend will very obvious, and we will definitely go less. Maybe that is not a bad thing. And it’s certainly Disney’s goal: visitors who pay more and come less.

This is a great thing for people who live further away and visit less frequently...but they are a minority and probably will always remain so. So Disney will need to be careful. I’ve learned in this pandemic that I can get by with less and be happier with simpler things, and that would not have to include DL as much.
 
I don't know if this will help, but here's my attempt to answer your question. I may be wrong, but here's why I think people will go less, resulting in reduced AP crowds, if they have to pay per day like tourists rather than having an Annual Pass. This just applies to local APs who can pop over with little to no planning, not those who plan multi-day trips. I could be wrong on these assumptions--happens all the time!

Assume an AP goes 2x per month for a day for 24 days in the park at a FlexPass price of $700 (I think that's what our last FlexPass with MaxPass cost...) Cost per day is $29.17
If they still want to go 2x per month for a day then 24 days * $150 per day = $3,600--5x as expensive. The cost becomes prohibitive for many. They can bring cost down by going multiple days at a time instead of just one weekend day.

Of course these numbers aren't exact and the "membership" will very likely bring the cost down to far less than $150 per day. But likely not down to $30 per day. The more times someone goes in a year, the bigger the spread in cost is between the former AP cost and the per-day cost. I find it hard to believe that as many people will drop into Disneyland in the evenings after work to catch dinner, a ride or two, and fireworks without an AP as they did with an AP. People like me out of state who have tried to plan two to three trips in a year for a few days each time with an AP may not find that cost effective. Guessing some will have to drop a trip or two. I doubt there will be many in any of these cases who will want to go more because prices went up. With our AP and a 700 mile drive to get to Disneyland, we were planning on late-April, mid-June, late-September and early-December trips in 2020 (and were assuming we'd now do it in 2021 instead on our extended passes until the past couple days). Now it will just be one with the refunded unused AP balance.

I believe there are some who buy the AP and consider that their entertainment for the year. Fixed cost paid once and nearly unlimited trips for a year after that, if close travel-wise. Won't work as easily on a pay-per-day for those folks either. Mom's bringing kids to the Park for the day or for play dates with other families, less likely. Teenage groups going all the time, less likely. Sure, there are some who will still go often and can pay for the privilege, but that can't be very many. Seems most on this Board who are local APs are sad they won't be able to go as often as they have been, and their sadness is legitimate and real.

Yes, I picked extreme examples, but the point of the entrance cost per day going up is, I believe, valid. As prices go up, overall demand is likely to decrease. Sure there are some families who will pay the cost no matter what. But I feel many will have to cut back the number of days in the Park as the price increases. Disneyland is a premium cost experience without an AP.

I welcome contrary thoughts on the above that see holes in my logic of increased price resulting in less demand/attendance. :)
I have also been tinkering with numbers as well and options of what Disney (as well as fans) can do...if they will do limited season passes (a fall/Halloween pass for example), max # of visits, after 4 PM passes, etc and also comparing it to just doing consolidated visits with multi-day tickets and forgoing APs.

I am toying with starting a new thread to really dig into it and hash out all kind of number scenarios but I feel kinda bad like I need to let the APs mourn for a bit first. That said, I would really be interested what ideas people have about what it's going to look like. We can give a gold star to whoever is the closest.
 
I have also been tinkering with numbers as well and options of what Disney (as well as fans) can do...if they will do limited season passes (a fall/Halloween pass for example), max # of visits, after 4 PM passes, etc and also comparing it to just doing consolidated visits with multi-day tickets and forgoing APs.

I am toying with starting a new thread to really dig into it and hash out all kind of number scenarios but I feel kinda bad like I need to let the APs mourn for a bit first. That said, I would really be interested what ideas people have about what it's going to look like. We can give a gold star to whoever is the closest.

I’m definitely interested...mourning a bit here myself, but hearing peoples’ speculation actually makes me feel a bit better (and is quite interesting!)
 
I have also been tinkering with numbers as well and options of what Disney (as well as fans) can do...if they will do limited season passes (a fall/Halloween pass for example), max # of visits, after 4 PM passes, etc and also comparing it to just doing consolidated visits with multi-day tickets and forgoing APs.

I am toying with starting a new thread to really dig into it and hash out all kind of number scenarios but I feel kinda bad like I need to let the APs mourn for a bit first. That said, I would really be interested what ideas people have about what it's going to look like. We can give a gold star to whoever is the closest.

I started a thread like this last night in the Disneyland Community board.
 












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