The Celebrity Apprentice 2

[TM1982]

Bottom line is this: The Kodak people laid out 5 criteria, Joan won on 3 of them. Hence she is your Celebrity Apprentice. Trace, Piers, and Trump all agreed.

 

[Imzadi]

Ugh, I can't believe Joan won. Did she bring any money in during the entire show?

Yes, she brought in money during the show. Her own charity won some during, like, the fourth show, then last night, I think they said she brought in another $140,000.

I think Jesse was actually the one who brought in the least amount of money of the final few. When he was project manager he only won $20,000. I don't even know if he brought in any money for anyone else's charities.

Trump & the producers, (Mark Burnett,) could not make this Celebrity Apprentice about who wins the most money. If they did that again, they won't be able to get any celebrities next season. Everyone interesting they want may say they don't have a lot of rich celebrity friends they can tap. The show would lose out on a lot of potential celebs who wouldn't even bother showing an interest in the first place.

 

[donnajon]

Trump said Annie was charming and Joan said so was Hitler. She didn't say that Annie was Hitler and didn't mean to imply that she did anything as horrible as Hitler. Her point was that someone can be evil and still come across looking charming if they want to. She was saying that Trump shouldn't judge Annie because she presents herself as charming. Annie was very sneaky and Joan knew it. And Joan is Jewish so I am quite sure she is well aware of what Hitler did.
And that event coordinator quitting was totally a setup! They purposely had him give out tacky ideas, forcing Joan to call for help and him to pretend to quit - after 5 with only 24 hours to get the task done. It was to see what they would come up with. Something like this happens every year and they should have been expecting it. I really did like the setup Joan had. Loved the idea about walking through the picture frame. I'm glad the final task wasn't base only on money. Annie could have just had her rich friends give her a check and be done with it. The rich friends is the one aspect of Celebrity Apprentice that I dislike over the regular Apprentice. It can be base on who you know with deep pockets rather than how well of a job you do.

 

[Imzadi]

Trump said Annie was charming and Joan said so was Hitler. She didn't say that Annie was Hitler and didn't mean to imply that she did anything as horrible as Hitler. Her point was that someone can be evil and still come across looking charming if they want to. She was saying that Trump shouldn't judge Annie because she presents herself as charming.

That's a very interesting distinction to make. In fact, the leading security expert in America, (previously to Pres. Reagan, currently Oprah, saved Michael J. Fox and Olivia Newton John from insane stalkers who wanted to torture & kill them,) Gavin de Becker, in his book, The Gift of Fear, talks about the same thing. "To charm" is a verb, not an adjective. It is an action. Ted Bundy charmed a lot of women before getting into their cars & killing them. People who've always been duped by con artists & robbers always say how charming the person was - before they walked off with all their money.

To be clear, NO, I am NOT saying Annie was a Ted Bundy either. Just elaborating on what donnajon said that Joan said.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I think Clint was the most telling when, when asked who he would fire, he said "your editors".

! ITA. I thought that was a great moment on Celebrity Apprentice (really, on any version of Apprentice).

And, Annie blustering about if Joan called used the same language in any other boardroom in the country she'd have to have been fired? Well, first, this isn't "any other boardroom", this is television; and second, by saying that, she's telling TRUMP he made a mistake. Please.

But, really, my favorite moment from last night was when Trump said, "...I think you know what I'm going to say... Annie" - and she got this excited look on her face and jumped in her seat a little, only to hear those two SWEET little words - "you're fired".

 

[kaytieeldr]

If he was really hirign someone who would work with him..do ya really think he would have picked Joan?

Conversely - do you think Joan will turn around and stab Trump in the back, if the opportunity arises or if it suits her needs, the way Annie seems to as a natural course of action?

 

[kaytieeldr]

Other enjoyable boardroom moments: Annie claiming to having been "acting professional" and Joan correcting her with the word "professionalLY"; and Annie calling herself a girl with Joan correctly pointing out that Annie's a woman.

Classy, no. Fun? You betcha! Go, Joan!

 

[Teacher03]

I'm so glad Joan won. Annie was all about Annie...I I I I. Even in the final project, all she thought about was "humiliating" Joan, and Joan "must die." Tom Greene called her out on it. It wasn't about raising money for charity at all, it was all about beating Joan Rivers. I don't think comparing Annie to Hitler was the right thing to do, but at least she said it in front of Annie and not just behind her back.

 

[Robinrs]

I'm so glad Joan won. Annie was all about Annie...I I I I. Even in the final project, all she thought about was "humiliating" Joan, and Joan "must die." Tom Greene called her out on it. It wasn't about raising money for charity at all, it was all about beating Joan Rivers. I don't think comparing Annie to Hitler was the right thing to do, but at least she said it in front of Annie and not just behind her back.

I think Annie's line about how making people "feel good" is a total waste of time is the absolute bottom line as to what kind of person she was.

I have a sister like Annie. I also had a Mother like Joan.

My Mom was the quintessential NY Mom. She had a mouth on her, she would cuss you out in a second but deep down she CARED deeply for those that mattered to her, God and those in trouble. You go against her children and you go down in FLAMES.

I grew up with that, that's why I saw that side of Joan.

On the other hand my sister is a selfish, 2 faced over competitive type like Annie. She is all about winning and for making herself look good. The side of me that despised that personality type made me want to see Annie totally fail.

In the end she did not, more people know her (and her "cronies" ) than ever now. Since I despise any form of gambling I knew NOTHING about her and here I am, typing in a thread mostly about her. Major stars like Tionne and Brian aren't even discussed when this show is brought up but Annie??? She won in her own right.

 

[lsyorke]

Joan did not like the design the owner had planned so she asked if she could bring someone into help him see her vision. The designer didn't like this so he hung up on Joan. Then called back and quit.

So really it wasn't all Joan's fault. Unless they edited something out.

This is the event planner:

http://www.davidtutera.com/

He's on TCL(those wedding shows) all the time. I was waiting for Trump to say that the "quitting" was part of the challenge....I guess not! LOL!

 

[Laurabearz]

Trump said Annie was charming and Joan said so was Hitler. She didn't say that Annie was Hitler and didn't mean to imply that she did anything as horrible as Hitler. Her point was that someone can be evil and still come across looking charming if they want to. She was saying that Trump shouldn't judge Annie because she presents herself as charming. Annie was very sneaky and Joan knew it. And Joan is Jewish so I am quite sure she is well aware of what Hitler did.
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Correct!

That's a very interesting distinction to make. In fact, the leading security expert in America, (previously to Pres. Reagan, currently Oprah, saved Michael J. Fox and Olivia Newton John from insane stalkers who wanted to torture & kill them,) Gavin de Becker, in his book, The Gift of Fear, talks about the same thing. "To charm" is a verb, not an adjective. It is an action. Ted Bundy charmed a lot of women before getting into their cars & killing them. People who've always been duped by con artists & robbers always say how charming the person was - before they walked off with all their money.

To be clear, NO, I am NOT saying Annie was a Ted Bundy either. Just elaborating on what donnajon said that Joan said.

This is the event planner:

http://www.davidtutera.com/

He's on TCL(those wedding shows) all the time. I was waiting for Trump to say that the "quitting" was part of the challenge....I guess not! LOL!

Funny how he doesnt mention "As Seen on The Apprentice"

 

[airhead]

I don't watch this show because I really don't care for Trump and I think the show is a total bore. He's a jerk who happens to be wealthy. But When I found out that Joan Rivers and her daughter were going to be on,I tuned in because I knew there would be drama! These 2 are so over the top with their tantrums and rude behavior! So,I was very entertained by it all!

 

[MUFFYCAT]

That was awful. Joan is the rudest person while Trump sits there and lets her rant and rave. She continuosly interuppted Annie.

I swear it seemed like he coddled Joan throughout the whole series. She probably had a contract with him that stated she or her witchy DD would be winners to be on the show.
I only watched this season because my DD wanted to see it. Half way thru she thought it was all crap.

So no more Apprentice in our house!!

 

[DMRick]

. And Joan is Jewish so I am quite sure she is well aware of what Hitler did.

If the tables were turned and Annie indicated anything about Joan was like Hitler, I don't think Joan would have sat there and continued the game, and I think Trumps reaction would have been much different. Should Annie then want to beat Joan, or even humiliate her? Uh..kettle/pot. Joan tried her best to humiliate Annie through most of this game...it's obvious she really got to her before the last task. Annie was seldom allowed to defend any of her actions. Joan talked over her every time, and Trump allowed it.

Joan walked out when her daughter was fired. Trump has said many times, he hates quitters. Since many feel this was always the Joan/Annie show, I assume that was why Joan was allowed back in the game. I think Trump used Annie. He wanted the money she could bring in, but it was never about her winning. As for the final task, yes, Joan won, but in the past it was cumalative. It was always about what you did in the whole game. If not, why have the final boardroom, since it was already announced that Joan won the final task.

I wonder how easy it will be for Trump/other apprentices to get people to donate large sums of money next time, since the charity money isn't such a big deal according to Trump. Apparently it's really about how outrage/rude your behavior.

But it's just a TV show..shown by the editors how they wanted it to be shown. We'll never know all of what went on..it played out just as Trump wanted it to play. What I really find interesting, is that Joan and Trump are really good friends in real life, and so I wonder, just what we didn't see in the editing of Joan and Melissa's mouths/rudeness.

 

[MUFFYCAT]

If the tables were turned and Annie indicated anything about Joan was like Hitler, I don't think Joan would have sat there and continued the game, and I think Trumps reaction would have been much different. Should Annie then want to beat Joan, or even humiliate her? Uh..kettle/pot. Joan tried her best to humiliate Annie through most of this game...it's obvious she really got to her before the last task. Annie was seldom allowed to defend any of her actions. Joan talked over her every time, and Trump allowed it.
Joan walked out when her daughter was fired. Trump has said many times, he hates quitters. Since many feel this was always the Joan/Annie show, I assume that was why Joan was allowed back in the game. I think Trump used Annie. He wanted the money she could bring in, but it was never about her winning. As for the final task, yes, Joan won, but in the past it was cumalative. It was always about what you did in the whole game. If not, why have the final boardroom, since it was already announced that Joan won the final task.

I wonder how easy it will be for Trump/other apprentices to get people to donate large sums of money next time, since the charity money isn't such a big deal according to Trump. Apparently it's really about how outrage/rude your behavior.

But it's just a TV show..shown by the editors how they wanted it to be shown. We'll never know all of what went on..it played out just as Trump wanted it to play. What I really find interesting, is that Joan and Trump are really good friends in real life, and so I wonder, just what we didn't see in the editing of Joan and Melissa's mouths/rudeness.

Thank you, You said everything perfectly! I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[Robinrs]

If the tables were turned and Annie indicated anything about Joan was like Hitler, I don't think Joan would have sat there and continued the game, and I think Trumps reaction would have been much different. Should Annie then want to beat Joan, or even humiliate her? Uh..kettle/pot. Joan tried her best to humiliate Annie through most of this game...it's obvious she really got to her before the last task. Annie was seldom allowed to defend any of her actions. Joan talked over her every time, and Trump allowed it.

Joan walked out when her daughter was fired. Trump has said many times, he hates quitters. Since many feel this was always the Joan/Annie show, I assume that was why Joan was allowed back in the game. I think Trump used Annie. He wanted the money she could bring in, but it was never about her winning. As for the final task, yes, Joan won, but in the past it was cumalative. It was always about what you did in the whole game. If not, why have the final boardroom, since it was already announced that Joan won the final task.

I wonder how easy it will be for Trump/other apprentices to get people to donate large sums of money next time, since the charity money isn't such a big deal according to Trump. Apparently it's really about how outrage/rude your behavior.

But it's just a TV show..shown by the editors how they wanted it to be shown. We'll never know all of what went on..it played out just as Trump wanted it to play. What I really find interesting, is that Joan and Trump are really good friends in real life, and so I wonder, just what we didn't see in the editing of Joan and Melissa's mouths/rudeness.

If Trump used Annie then it was tit for tat, she, like Omarosa, became stars because of the notoriety on this show. She will be a celeb, like she always wanted to be, for awhile now.

Trump's only concern was the sponsors and NBC. He not only pulled in the spot advertisements, he had clients that sponsored the entire show. In the TV business this is HUGE because it passes up the DVR/TIVO types who fast forward thru the commls. If the show did not deliver the households they promised, then the station would be in the hole and the show would probably not be on the next season. Trump and company knew exactly what would attract the viewers, and Annie was BY FAR, this year's "trump card". You either loved her or hated her, same with Joan, and passion makes people tune in.

It was "cute" how he had Piers so called "make the decision" as to who was going to be in the finale, that pair up was decided MONTHS ago. And it worked!

Annie lost nothing. She gained for her charity and got legends of fans who had no idea who she was till now. She defended her homies and attempted to make her profession "moral"... ... and will walk away a winner no matter what.

 

[MUFFYCAT]

She defended her homies and attempted to make her profession "moral"... ... and will walk away a winner no matter what.

That sounds like something Joan would say and she did. Who's to say Joan's or anyone else's profession is better then Annie's? To call them trash and continue to belittle them was wrong. If Annie said something to Joan about anything being Jewish, she'd be thrown off the show for slander.

I don't gamble at all but insulting someone's lifestyle as you and Joan have done is wrong.

 

[TM1982]

That sounds like something Joan would say and she did. Who's to say Joan's or anyone else's profession is better then Annie's? To call them trash and continue to belittle them was wrong. If Annie said something to Joan about anything being Jewish, she'd be thrown off the show for slander.

I don't gamble at all but insulting someone's lifestyle as you and Joan have done is wrong.

No offense but Joan is right, they are trashy. Not all, but most. Like I mentioned in another post, have you ever seen these guys in the WSOP? They are some of the tackiest people I have ever seen.. and no it's not for television. That is how they really are. And FYI, Annie acts the same way as the guys in those tournaments.. she is no lady.

 

[Robinrs]

That sounds like something Joan would say and she did.

Why THANK YOU!

I've never been one to hold my tongue, either. Yep, gambling is moral, yes it is.

 

[OrlandoMike]

Joan will be on Regis in about 5 minutes, this could be interesting.....