The bus...

[notnothin]

Touche, but without these types of threads, this would not be a discussion board.

If you don't want to discuss the particular topic, no one is forcing you.

Agreed, I guess I just hate to see the claws start to come out in these threads.

 

[KellyNY]

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I agree, basic courtesy and respect are lacking in today's "me me me" society. One of the ways in which it is displayed is when people decide to, passively-aggressivley, stare people down until they (the ones staring) get what they want.

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Yep.

It's not your place to try to make some one move because you can't handle your kids.

Amen.

 

[LilyWDW]

If I can give up my seat, I sure will. My toddlers and I will stand if it helps someone else who clearly needs a seat. HOWEVER - If I am struggling with my two toddlers and I need them to sit, I WILL stare you down. It's totally ridiculous to sit in a seat while someone else struggles.

I think everyone should be teaching their kids to be kind to those in need and should practise it themselves. This is basic courtesy and respect that is sadly lacking today in everyone's mad rush to get ahead and nurture the 'me me me' mentality. It's apauling what animals we are all turning into. Just my $0.02

And this is exactly what I was saying in my last post. How is it "polite" or "courteous" or "respectful" to stare a stranger down? How do you know that person wouldn't be "struggling" if they switched places with you?

You will always get more with honey then with vinegar... or staring.

 

[brunette8706]

The only thing that an attempt to "stare me down" will achieve is for me to decide NOT to get up for you/your kids, no matter what. As soon as I notice someone struggling I will offer my seat (if I can - I have a connective tissue disorder, which means that sometimes I really do want/need) the seat, but, if I feel that someone is "staring me down", but butt stays firmly planted in that seat.

I agree, basic courtesy and respect are lacking in today's "me me me" society. One of the ways in which it is displayed is when people decide to, passively-aggressivley, stare people down until they (the ones staring) get what they want.

Note - a request for the seat, would have a totally different response.

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Hi! YOu make some valid points. YOu can catch more flys with honey than vinagar as the saying goes...

 

[KSDisneyDad]

So true. It seems like many topics like this tend to bring out some strong emotions from many. I can understand that, especially if you feel like others are judging you. I'm trying to bring some middle ground, but that sometimes proves very difficult on touchy topics like this.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

And this is exactly what I was saying in my last post. How is it "polite" or "courteous" or "respectful" to stare a stranger down? How do you know that person wouldn't be "struggling" if they switched places with you?

You will always get more with honey then with vinegar... or staring.

So true!

When I call to complain to customer service, I never "complain". I attempt to be as nice as possible. I find this approach works nearly all the time to getting a satisfactual resolution to my concern.

 

[LilyWDW]

So true!

When I call to complain to customer service, I never "complain". I attempt to be as nice as possible. I find this approach works nearly all the time to getting a satisfactual resolution to my concern.

I have worked CS (retail) since I was 15 (so, 14 years now) including as a manager. The customers that come in and speak to me with respect and understanding will get the most help and extra for their trouble. The customers that make demands and yell and scream will get nothing extra and I will go 100% by the book.

When I have to call about an issue in my own life (internet out, Netflix streaming acting up) I always greet them, ask how they are doing, explain my situation politely, and thank them when it is done. I have actually seemed to shock people when I ask how they are or say thank you to them.

 

[brunette8706]

I have worked CS (retail) since I was 15 (so, 14 years now) including as a manager. The customers that come in and speak to me with respect and understanding will get the most help and extra for their trouble. The customers that make demands and yell and scream will get nothing extra and I will go 100% by the book.

When I have to call about an issue in my own life (internet out, Netflix streaming acting up) I always greet them, ask how they are doing, explain my situation politely, and thank them when it is done. I have actually seemed to shock people when I ask how they are or say thank you to them.

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Works like a charm, the nicer you are to someone, they will ltry to help you out even more. Good point.

 

[Wadecool]

And that's not rude? Staring at someone for their seat. You would have eye pain if you were staring at me cause i would not be moving. It's not your place to try to make some one move because you can't handle your kids.

 

[jaceraden]

If I can give up my seat, I sure will. My toddlers and I will stand if it helps someone else who clearly needs a seat. HOWEVER - If I am struggling with my two toddlers and I need them to sit, I WILL stare you down. It's totally ridiculous to sit in a seat while someone else struggles.

I think everyone should be teaching their kids to be kind to those in need and should practise it themselves. This is basic courtesy and respect that is sadly lacking today in everyone's mad rush to get ahead and nurture the 'me me me' mentality. It's apauling what animals we are all turning into. Just my $0.02

In my initial post, I did not mention that the 'stare you down' comes after asking you for some help and/or seat. I totally agree that staring someone down without opening your mouth first is rude. You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But, if I ask and you either ignore me or say no - then yes, I am going to stare you down. That's where I draw my line in the sand.

 

[crashbb]

In my initial post, I did not mention that the 'stare you down' comes after asking you for some help and/or seat. I totally agree that staring someone down without opening your mouth first is rude. You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But, if I ask and you either ignore me or say no - then yes, I am going to stare you down. That's where I draw my line in the sand.

Your "revision" doesn't change the fact that you are actions are those of someone who is rude and feels entitled.

 

[jaceraden]

Your "revision" doesn't change the fact that you are actions are those of someone who is rude and feels entitled.

Well then we can agree to disagree.

If someone able bodied will not give a seat to someone in need who has asked nicely for it, then I feel that somehow my stare will drill common sense into them. I am not perfect either so I guess that's where my manners end and my anger at poorly raised people cuts through.

 

[crashbb]

Well then we can agree to disagree.

If someone able bodied will not give a seat to someone in need who has asked nicely for it, then I feel that somehow my stare will drill common sense into them. I am not perfect either so I guess that's where my manners end and my anger at poorly raised people cuts through.

I love when people excuse their rude actions by stating that they are doing so to show others that they are rude. It is rarely showing what they thing they are showing.

 

[si-am]

In my initial post, I did not mention that the 'stare you down' comes after asking you for some help and/or seat. I totally agree that staring someone down without opening your mouth first is rude. You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But, if I ask and you either ignore me or say no - then yes, I am going to stare you down. That's where I draw my line in the sand.

On the other hand, someone might ask why you didn't rent a car for yourself and your two toddlers and then might stare YOU down if your answer isn't very convincing.

 

[KellyNY]

In my initial post, I did not mention that the 'stare you down' comes after asking you for some help and/or seat. I totally agree that staring someone down without opening your mouth first is rude. You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But, if I ask and you either ignore me or say no - then yes, I am going to stare you down. That's where I draw my line in the sand.

So it is actually a demand then, not a request.

 

[livndisney]

Well then we can agree to disagree.

If someone able bodied will not give a seat to someone in need who has asked nicely for it, then I feel that somehow my stare will drill common sense into them. I am not perfect either so I guess that's where my manners end and my anger at poorly raised people cuts through.

May I ask where you went to medical school? Or do you have the complete medical history of everyone you "stare down" to know they are "able bodied" or are you just assuming?

Oh wait, you must be judging simply because you don't see a "need", so that person must need to be educated by you.

 

[jaceraden]

On the other hand, someone might ask why you didn't rent a car for yourself and your two toddlers and then might stare YOU down if your answer isn't very convincing.

And that is fine by me. My conscience would be clear so I have no worries. On the other hand, those people who do not help others have to deal with their inner voice which will hurt them far more than my stares in the long run.

 

[si-am]

And that is fine by me. My conscience would be clear so I have no worries. On the other hand, those people who do not help others have to deal with their inner voice which will hurt them far more than my stares in the long run.

And why would your conscience be clear? Getting on a crowded bus where you can't take care of your own kids isn't the most righteous, moral thing to do in the world, honestly.

 

[jaceraden]

And why would your conscience be clear? Getting on a crowded bus where you can't take care of your own kids isn't the most righteous, moral thing to do in the world, honestly.

wow you sound like you are either the perfect parent or have zero kids. I'm guessing zero kids with that response. Clearly no one with kids should go to Disney World at all lest they get tired and need to go back to the resort for bedtime/snacktime, etc......


Could I have worded my reply better - yep. But you are arguing for the losing team. It's as simple as that. No matter how poorly I word my argument, it is a terrible thing to just sit there and do nothing. Shame on you.

 

[smalltowngirl504]

In a presence of parent/guardian child is in their responsibility, it is not a school trip. disney is not responsible for someones stupidity. If it would be that easy to get money out of disney, many would just like many did with no fault cases.
Just because driver was suggesting you to get on in not exactly friendly way, does not mean he was forcing you, he did not push you in, right.
Their buses are no different from public transortation, no kids seats, no forcing, the responsibility is yours and yours alone.

I guess because I had my kids so close in age, I am a bad mother to them or because I had too much stuff, do you ever stop to think about what you are saying, or that you dont know the whole story, like the fact that my husband had cancer, and THATS why I had to have them so close together, so I COULD HAVE THEM!!! If there was no room to sit I would have gotten off and waited and I DID more than once, I would NEVER endanger my children for a simple bus ride at disney, what an ignorant mean assumption!!!! I am aware my kids are my responsibility, trust me!! and I am so thankful to the people that didnt FLAME or or JUDGE me for having kids 11 months apart because they didnt know the whole story as to why.... I am not sure why you felt the to say the things you did... I never felt someone should give up their seat ... I simply said they always did and I was grateful!!!!!!