The bus...

[Schmeck]

Don't worry, I'm not going to argue with the "Christian Gentleman". It's funny that he threw in the Obama thing as well. Now I know exactly where he is coming from, LOL! I don't mind at all, that's what's great about the US - we don't all have to be "Christian Gentlemen" to be a member of society.

What's really, really funny is that I am not Christian (although I do believe in God, but not under any manmade division) and I am female...

I do not believe it is rude to not give up your seat on a bus, just because you are male and I am female. It's rude to hold a seat with a shopping bag or stroller, but if another human being is in that seat first, then so be it.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

I know I should just back away

I don't bite, its a friendly forum. Your experiences are no lesser than mine. And I appreciate when people share their personal experiences with others.

It's even happened to us back when we were Disney Newbies and didn't know any better about getting onto a bus late at night.

Can't you discern between a crowded bus and an uncrowded bus? One time our family boarded a bus that did not have enough seats and we walked right off. Not quite sure why being a "Disney Newbie" has anything to do with it, its not rocket science.

As far as waiting for the next bus. This works well at night when the buses come fairly quickly. It doesn't work well in the morning at the All-Star Music. For us, the bus was already partially full from the All-Star Sports. All seats were taken. Thus, if we wanted a seat we had to wait for three or four buses probably. And the buses only came every 15 to 20 minutes. Another reason we only rent a car from now on.

I would wait, it is my responsibility to make sure my children's safety is not compromised. It is no one else's responsibility but mine. No one is obligated to surrender their seat for me when I have the CHOICE to choose to wait. But I do feel bad that has been your experience. It stinks.

I'm glad you had great experiences, but we have not. I am also surprised you want visual proof. I never thought to squeeze out my camera and try to snap a picture on a crowded bus just so the doubting Thomas's on the DISboards could have their proof that it actually happens.

(YAWN) I never asked you or anyone for "visual proof" of anything. I never asked anyone to "squeeze out their camera" and try to snap a picture on a crowded bus on my behalf. And for the record, my last name is not Thomas -- and I am not "doubting" anyone --since you want to be "L I T E R A L".

I just don't get it, how people can stand in line all day for "Dumbo" and "Winnie the Pooh" with no problem, but when the fun is over, the idea of waiting in line for a seat on the bus is arduous.

We found the Disney buses to be FAR from pleasurable. My kids were begging me to rent a car by the end of the trip. My wife and I agreed that we will always budget for a rental car from now on. We just found the buses to be quite frustrating and when you add the crowding and rude behavior to the mix, it just made it worse for us. YMMV

It's unfortunate that this is your experience, but I certainly appreciate how you have taken control by renting a car and not continuing to place your family in a situation that is not pleasant for you and your family.

However, I don't like the idea of renting cars at Disney -- just my preference. I would probably find another resort with a better bus system. Different strokes.

Those "neglectful" parents you're judging may just be tired with tired children.

I am not judging. I am a parent that will never be too tired to see to the needs of my children. It is my responsibility to make sure my children are safe and comfortable.

Other people who choose to go on vacation, just like our family, do not have any impact of my enjoyment at Disney (where the buses are concerned). They are not obligated to sacrifice their comfort for us. We will wait or find other accommodations that better suit our needs.

And "desperate" to get into a bed.

Again, as a parent it is my responsibility to ensure that my children are not experiencing any "desperation" of any kind. Some children need naps and they prefer to not deviate from their nightly bedtime schedule or sometimes they get overwhelmed.

My DD had a catastrophic meltdown at 50's Prime Time. Just as we were walking to the table, she burst out in tears. It took five seconds for us to realize it was time to go.

The waitress was very kind and even offered to make "to go" orders for us. We tipped her anyway and politely declined. DD had enough and needed rest. No pot roast for DH, no milkshakes to go and no Fantasmic for us that night. No regrets.

If I know my children need to get to bed, then I am not going to wait until the park closes to leave, because I should know the buses will be crowded. Wishes and Fantasmic are not more important than the overall well-being of my children.

Wishes and Fantasmic are wonderful and if you want to experience this with your children that's great, but don't complain about the buses when you along with the entire park has to exit at the same time.

Again, its okay to wait and stand in line for "rides and fun", but when its time to leave, its time to complain. Why must others sacrifice for our choices and how we choose to vacation?

Most families that care about the well being of their children might just be anxious to get them to bed.

Then you do your your best to exit the park when the buses are not at their peak. Its not the end of the world if you don't get to see the fireworks.

Most of them are not evilly planning to force someone to give up their seat.

Again choosing to place your children in situation that is not conducive to their well-being, all in the name of "fun" suggests otherwise.

Many of them are here for their first time and they haven't had time to overthink this the way we all do .

Okay, I agree. However, if they are negatively impacted by the buses and continue to return year after year fully aware of the bus situation at the same resort(s), they know what to expect. Either make adjustments by renting a car -- use a cab/town car -- wake up super early or stay especially late.

I do agree with you that the Disney buses are mostly friendly places. I have observed grouchiness at park closing, but for the most part, people have been friendly and kind. I have witnessed some people letting toddlers or older people stand, but not all the time.

Again, it is disheartening to hear this. No child or elderly or anyone in need of a seat should have to stand, it sickens me. If I ever witness anything like that, I probably would not use the buses anymore, because it would be war. But I have yet to see this, thankfully.

My family -- in addition to other families we did not know, made the choice not to board a crowded bus. I don't believe that my children deserve a seat over anyone else. Yes, that includes the guys too. I much prefer to wait.

We rarely get on a crowded bus, we choose to wait the extra time in order to have a seat. In really crowded times, we've passed on two buses so that on the third we would have a seat.

This! I haven't had to wait on two buses yet, but I will wait as long as I have to. If I can wait in that long @ss line for TSM or Peter Pan, the buses are nothing. Rope drop and fireworks are just not that important if it compromises the comfort and happiness of my children.

I believe that if you get on the crowded bus then you are expecting to stand. Posts (not just this thread, because this topic comes up often) that suggest people are rude for not giving up their seat is unfair. No one knows how long the others on the bus have waited to get their seat on the bus. In life we make choices, if your choice is to have a seat, then wait for the next bus.

Great minds.... If I have to stand I will stand. But I would like to think that most people do this as I have witnessed most people along with our family choosing to wait. But I guess not.

 

[The Rovang Gang]

We were in Hawaii recently and a busdriver/tour guide asked a man to put his WIFE on his lap to get more people on. He happily obliged, everyone laughed and we all got where we were going. Different climate...

 

[brookmey]

We ride the buses everytime we go to a park and enjoy it. I think riding a Disney bus is part of the Disney vacation experience and my kids look forward to it. True, it's crowded and hot at the end of a long day, but really, DH and I would rather have a mindless ride back to our resort than to have to wake up and be alert enough to drive back.

DH usually gives up his seat to any of the previously mentioned groups. I usually have our youngest on my lap and our oldest in a seat next to me. I've always encountered considerate people who have offered their seats when I was pregnant or when they noticed my exhausted young kids. I've met some wonderful, friendly people on the bus.

I do wonder, though, if some of the people who don't give up their seats, have simply zoned out once they've gotten on the bus and are so tired that the thought doesn't occur to them? That's happened to DH a few times and he felt awful afterwards. After a long day in the humid, hot sun, we can't be as mentally sharp and those who normally have good manners become like zombies, whose brains have turned into mush. I love that look, the blank, staring look that many adults have at the end of a long day! I don't get upset with anyone who doesn't offer their seat because I can see how exhausted everyone around me is, too.

The only pet peeve I have about the bus are the people who hog seats because they don't want to put their bags on the floor and the parents who let their young kids have their own seat instead of holding the kids in their laps.


ETA: And count me as one of those "neglectful" parents who doesn't care about the well-being of her family because I am willing to get on a crowded bus with my kids. Do I expect a seat? No. Do my kids expect a seat? No. Even in their tired state, they want to stand because they think it's fun. Getting back to our room is the priority, not whether or not we have a seat. So, we roll the dice and take a chance that we'll get seats. If we don't, we make lemonade.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

This thread is worthless without pics. I said it once and I will say it again -- I have never witnessed children, elderly or handicapped go without a seat on a Disney bus ever. Everyone who wanted a seat had a seat, those who were able and preferred to stand -- stood.

(YAWN) I never asked you or anyone for "visual proof" of anything. I never asked anyone to "squeeze out their camera" and try to snap a picture on a crowded bus on my behalf. And for the record, my last name is not Thomas -- and I am not "doubting" anyone --since you want to be "L I T E R A L".

First, I apologize if I thought your posts were judgmental, but that's how I read them. That said, I want to know - Is the thread worthless without pics or are you not "doubting" that we've witnessed this behavior.

Your posts seem very contradictory.

I would wait, it is my responsibility to make sure my children's safety is not compromised. It is no one else's responsibility but mine. No one is obligated to surrender their seat for me when I have the CHOICE to choose to wait. But I do feel bad that has been your experience. It stinks.

Again, its okay to wait and stand in line for "rides and fun", but when its time to leave, its time to complain. Why must others sacrifice for our choices and how we choose to vacation?

Again, it is disheartening to hear this. No child or elderly or anyone in need of a seat should have to stand, it sickens me. If I ever witness anything like that, I probably would not use the buses anymore, because it would be war. But I have yet to see this, thankfully.

Again, it's not always practical to wait. Not everyone is as perfect as you. I said we learned quickly from our mistake and never did it again. When I'm getting on the bus and are among the first 1/2 on, you don't always know if you're getting a seat or not. And yes, we did decide to wait once we realized all the seats were full and we had to hold our sleeping child. We survivied and it wasn't that bad. I didn't expect anyone to give up their seat for us, but I did find it odd in retrospect that no one did.

With respect to waiting while in the parks. I wait for buses MUCH MUCH longer than any attraction. We use FP's wisely and don't wait in lines that are posted for more than 15 minutes. We rarely wait more than 20 minutes for any attraction. At night, we have had to wait 45 minutes plus for a bus!! There is a difference. Sorry you don't see that.

You have been quite fortunate to never have witnessed this behavior. Perhaps we go in crowded times. Perhaps it's because the buses we take were always very crowded with standing room only.

Thank goodness we no longer have to witness this behavior. Our last vacation was so less stressful without the buses. We all commented about how nice it was. We got to places so much faster and we never waited in lines for buses. There are car people and bus people at WDW and we are definately car people! We enjoy passing those buses on the way to the parks!

 

[StitchSpawn]

Don't worry, I'm not going to argue with the "Christian Gentleman". It's funny that he threw in the Obama thing as well. Now I know exactly where he is coming from, LOL! I don't mind at all, that's what's great about the US - we don't all have to be "Christian Gentlemen" to be a member of society.

What's really, really funny is that I am not Christian (although I do believe in God, but not under any manmade division) and I am female...

I do not believe it is rude to not give up your seat on a bus, just because you are male and I am female. It's rude to hold a seat with a shopping bag or stroller, but if another human being is in that seat first, then so be it.

Good people can be of any faith or belief. Have fun at wdw

 

[A Mickeyfan]

This may sound really dumb.. but some of you guys are saying you will pass up 1,2 or even 3 buses just so you can have a "seat" on the bus.. What are you doing when you are waiting for those buses to roll in? Are you not "standing" ? If it was late, the kids were tired, I didn't stand around waiting even longer, dealing with them, and waiting for another bus.. we got on the bus As long as they could stand and hold onto a pole, they were fine. The only time I had a hard time was with the stroller, a baby and 2 other children.. me alone with them. That was hard because I couldn't hold the baby & the stroller. I had to have a seat so the baby could go on my lap the the stroller between my legs. Once they all were able to stand and hold.. why wait for several buses to go by?? I think it is worse standing with 3 kids whining and complaining they are tired as you watch the buses go past you.. just because you want a seat for all of you.. I would rather get on the bus.. hold the pole and get back to the room... the sooner the better...

 

[arielsleepingbeauty]

I drive a lot for work, but for $250 for 9 days rental and including a fill up of gas, I will rent a car any day before waiting in line to get packed into a standing room only bus driven by tired drivers, rude and sweaty people.
No way.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

I tend to choose to wait for the next bus rather than get on on where i have to stand... not for laziness reasons, but for the simple fact that im a clutz and being on a moving vehicle where there is a risk of me falling onto said women, elderly, small children etc.... its just better to wait

lol, this is too funny. Those buses make some really sharp turns and I have to brace myself for when the bus comes to a stop. Not fun.

First, I apologize if I thought your posts were judgmental, but that's how I read them. That said, I want to know - Is the thread worthless without pics or are you not "doubting" that we've witnessed this behavior.

Your posts seem very contradictory.

In iocus illic est verum -- latin for "In jest, there is truth". Or some people say "There is truth in jest". No apology needed, it was an exceptional call.

Have you ever heard the expression "pics or it didn't happen"? Well, the "this thread is worthless without pics" comment was my lame attempt at "tongue-in-cheek". I was just joking and I do not question anyone's experiences. I value and appreciate the information that is shared on these forums. It certainly has opened my eyes to a very ugly side....

Again, it's not always practical to wait.

You can wait. You don't want to wait and that's okay. You are making a decision to ride the bus with the good intentions to get your family back to their room asap. I get it, but I don't agree. We will have to agree to disagree.

Not everyone is as perfect as you. I said we learned quickly from our mistake and never did it again. When I'm getting on the bus and are among the first 1/2 on, you don't always know if you're getting a seat or not. And yes, we did decide to wait once we realized all the seats were full and we had to hold our sleeping child. We survivied and it wasn't that bad. I didn't expect anyone to give up their seat for us, but I did find it odd in retrospect that no one did.

I am the polar opposite of perfect. But if you were joking, I appreciate the compliment, after all "there is truth in jest", lol.

I think it is terrible for you to have to hold a child when someone could have given up their seat. I love children with a passion and I am glad I wasn't on that bus to witness that. I would have told bus driver to ask someone to offer their seat for a sleeping child! Ugh ... so many emotions.

With that said -- what would have happened if you lost your balance or someone else had lost their balance and you were to drop your child? What if your child suffered a serious injury because someone fell on your child? Who is accountable? Are you going to sue every person who did not offer their seat to you? Should Disney be held accountable when you made a conscious decision to board and remain standing while "holding a child" on a bus? I don't like this one bit. To me, its not worth the risk. It is always best to err on the side of caution. Again, we will have to agree to disagree.

But it still makes me really sad and quite angry to know that no one offered you and your precious sleeping child a seat. That is unacceptable behavior.
And yes, you did "survive". But why must one "survive" a simple bus ride while vacationing at Disney World?

Which is why, I feel it is my responsibility to ensure that my children have a seat, should they require one. I cannot bring myself to expect generosity from strangers. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate it when it happens. But if it doesn't happen, I would be so disgusted. I can't allow strangers to negatively impact my vacation. I am relinquishing to much control by depending upon others to do the right thing.

I prefer not to risk it and choose to preserve the happiness I have. So, I will gladly wait if I know my children will require a seat. Plus, I don't feel comfortable with people who offer their seat to me, as they also deserve a seat IMO. Its just awkward to me especially when I can wait for the next bus. It's Disney, another bus will surely come.

With respect to waiting while in the parks. I wait for buses MUCH MUCH longer than any attraction. We use FP's wisely and don't wait in lines that are posted for more than 15 minutes. We rarely wait more than 20 minutes for any attraction. At night, we have had to wait 45 minutes plus for a bus!! There is a difference. Sorry you don't see that.

Okay, I totally agree. Lol, I am an expert planner and I am quite good at zero wait times for the average ride and 5-10 for main attractions. But last year I couldn't predict that TSM would reopen from a refurb with no passes for the entire day. It happens.

You have been quite fortunate to never have witnessed this behavior. Perhaps we go in crowded times. Perhaps it's because the buses we take were always very crowded with standing room only.

Thank goodness we no longer have to witness this behavior. Our last vacation was so less stressful without the buses. We all commented about how nice it was. We got to places so much faster and we never waited in lines for buses. There are car people and bus people at WDW and we are definately car people! We enjoy passing those buses on the way to the parks!

This thread has been an eye opener for me, I didn't realize it can get that bad on the buses. For the record, I cannot argue with you anymore. As you can see, trying to maintain a level of brevity on these forums is not working for me. I like you and you sound like a such wonderful DH and Dad. I can no longer argue effectively with you. Its not just you, StitchSpawn is another one that comes to mind. Even though she hurt my feelings and royally flamed me in another thread that I care not to mention, I just couldn't argue back with her, lol. Its weird. I'm done.

 

[StitchSpawn]

I would apologize to you, but I'm not sorry about it, wrong button... But, I am not perfect either though, so.

 

[andyplaysdrums]

We just did five days with our four year-old and rode the Disney buses everywhere. We pretty much got on every bus we could - sometimes we sat, sometimes we stood. My son never had a problem with standing and holding on to a rail if needed - even on our second day, which was seemed to be a travel hangover day in which he was nuclear whenever we weren't on a ride. He seemed to chalk it up to "that's what we do here". I never feared for his safety.

I did have one incident in which I was carrying him, sound asleep, as we got onto a bus. A woman called out that there was a seat open. I turned to go to it, thinking she was telling me this, and after one of the the most scrunched up, eye rolling glares you've ever seen, realized she was talking to her husband - not carrying a child - who was much farther to the back of the bus already. She received more than her share of dirty looks back from everyone else around her for her reaction, and said something to the effect of "I guess you can sit here", to which I declined, stating that I'd rather stand than offend her further. Graciously, a family across the aisle squished among their seats to offer me a spot.

 

[maxiesmom]

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I did have one incident in which I was carrying him, sound asleep, as we got onto a bus. A woman called out that there was a seat open. I turned to go to it, thinking she was telling me this, and after one of the the most scrunched up, eye rolling glares you've ever seen, realized she was talking to her husband - not carrying a child - who was much farther to the back of the bus already. She received more than her share of dirty looks back from everyone else around her for her reaction, and said something to the effect of "I guess you can sit here", to which I declined, stating that I'd rather stand than offend her further. Graciously, a family across the aisle squished among their seats to offer me a spot.

The thing is, you don't know if that man had a real need of the seat or not. For your own state of mind, it is better to think of it that way, then to think he just wanted a seat and didn't care that you were standing.


I also hold the same views of the poster who stated they feel they are the ones responsible to see that their children have a seat if they need one. It is my responsibility to see to my family's safety. If I allow the to get on a full bus, thinking one of them had to have a seat, then it is shame on me. Not shame on a bunch of total strangers for not seeing to my family's needs.

We should never go around demanding or expecting others to put themselves out for us. But be thankful when they do.

 

[andyplaysdrums]

The thing is, you don't know if that man had a real need of the seat or not. For your own state of mind, it is better to think of it that way, then to think he just wanted a seat and didn't care that you were standing.


I also hold the same views of the poster who stated they feel they are the ones responsible to see that their children have a seat if they need one. It is my responsibility to see to my family's safety. If I allow the to get on a full bus, thinking one of them had to have a seat, then it is shame on me. Not shame on a bunch of total strangers for not seeing to my family's needs.

We should never go around demanding or expecting others to put themselves out for us. But be thankful when they do.

Oh, for sure. It's true that I didn't know if he had an issue or not, and I certainly like to give the benefit of the doubt (though he had no problem coming back up through the full bus to get to that seat, haha!) I definitely wasn't expecting anything. I knew we were getting on close to last and that I was probably going to be holding him, standing or not - I was fine with that. It was the general rudeness and attitude that I didn't care for, which, apparently, was not just me taking it wrong as evidence by those reactions around me.

And like I said, we had no problem with our child standing, as neither did he. Though, now that I think about it he was never offered a seat at anytime he was standing, either.

 

[CTDisneyfan816]

That's not always true. We stayed at the All-Star Music Family Suites in 2009 and made the mistake of not renting a car. Each morning, we waited 10 to 20 for a bus and when it arrived from the All-Star Sports, it was already half-way full and there was not much room except to stand. If we had waited in the scorching sun for another bus in 15 minutes, it most likely would have been full too.

I stayed there in 2009. Now picture 2010 and later this year when I'm staying at All-Star Movies. The bus would be pretty full by then. In 2009 I decided to take a break from driving and rode the bus a few times. Like you said it was a 10-20 minute wait. I also like going to Universal as well as a few side trips to visit old friends from when I lived down there so a car is a must for me. But even if I were staying on site, I would rent a car anyway. I didn't take the bus once last year and I don't intend to this year either. I think Disney does as good a job as is possible, but that being said it doesn't beat the flexibility of being able to just hop in your car and go.

 

[CTDisneyfan816]

That is the silliest thing I have ever heard and I have no idea why you posted it. I don't know if you think that it is true or if you were trying to start a fight of some kind between posters, but it doesn't make any sense. If men or any group felt superior, wouldn't they get to sit down? Like when the whites got to sit in the front of the bus in the South and the blacks how to sit in the back? Who gets worse seating because they are superior? That's ridiculous.

PS, I am a healthy, un-preggers, 24-yr-old female who would get up for any older man who needed the seat more than me, and I wouldn't think he was inferior or superior to me. I can handle the parks and then standing on the bus without discomfort, some can't as well. I would probably get up for a man my age or younger than me too, if they had any health reason they needed to sit. It's called, "being considerate" or "manners" and I don't know why people have to bring sexism in it to ruin it. There is nothing wrong with being polite or considerate of others no matter what sex or age they are.

Also, remember WDW is in the South and we like our manners! I never understand going up East why people can't just say excuse me or thank you every once in a while. I have even been criticized up East for being to polite. I think it's silly, but I'm a Florida southerner.

I think this was posted on purpose to cause a fight and I'm only responding to say that was ridiculous to post. Sorry if that sounds mean. It's how the post comes across to me.

Thank you! I must be a southerner living up north because I think if someone needs to, for example, get by you it is simple courtesy to say "excuse me" as opposed to brushing me and walking on through. Although I did live in Florida for a year and a half so maybe it rubbed off on me a bit. I agree that people in general (not speaking on this bus issue here but in general) could be more courteous to others. And yes I do hold the door open for women (and men too if it's a group).

 

[LilyWDW]

This may sound really dumb.. but some of you guys are saying you will pass up 1,2 or even 3 buses just so you can have a "seat" on the bus.. What are you doing when you are waiting for those buses to roll in? Are you not "standing" ? If it was late, the kids were tired, I didn't stand around waiting even longer, dealing with them, and waiting for another bus.. we got on the bus As long as they could stand and hold onto a pole, they were fine. The only time I had a hard time was with the stroller, a baby and 2 other children.. me alone with them. That was hard because I couldn't hold the baby & the stroller. I had to have a seat so the baby could go on my lap the the stroller between my legs. Once they all were able to stand and hold.. why wait for several buses to go by?? I think it is worse standing with 3 kids whining and complaining they are tired as you watch the buses go past you.. just because you want a seat for all of you.. I would rather get on the bus.. hold the pole and get back to the room... the sooner the better...

Standing on a bus is a LOT different then standing on unmoving ground. For those of us who have reasons for wanting to sit on the bus if possible, it can be a huge difference. It's about stability.

And I will say it again... it is 100% up to each person as to if they want to get on the bus. If you (general) choose to, then you have no one to blame besides yourself if you are stuck standing. People need to take personal responsibility and not trust that others will accommodate them.

People also need to stop judging the "healthy" looking people who are sitting on a bus. Until you walk in their shoes, you know nothing about them.

 

[Disneyholic]

We ride the buses everytime we go to a park and enjoy it. I think riding a Disney bus is part of the Disney vacation experience and my kids look forward to it. True, it's crowded and hot at the end of a long day, but really, DH and I would rather have a mindless ride back to our resort than to have to wake up and be alert enough to drive back.

DH usually gives up his seat to any of the previously mentioned groups. I usually have our youngest on my lap and our oldest in a seat next to me. I've always encountered considerate people who have offered their seats when I was pregnant or when they noticed my exhausted young kids. I've met some wonderful, friendly people on the bus.

I do wonder, though, if some of the people who don't give up their seats, have simply zoned out once they've gotten on the bus and are so tired that the thought doesn't occur to them? That's happened to DH a few times and he felt awful afterwards. After a long day in the humid, hot sun, we can't be as mentally sharp and those who normally have good manners become like zombies, whose brains have turned into mush. I love that look, the blank, staring look that many adults have at the end of a long day! I don't get upset with anyone who doesn't offer their seat because I can see how exhausted everyone around me is, too.

The only pet peeve I have about the bus are the people who hog seats because they don't want to put their bags on the floor and the parents who let their young kids have their own seat instead of holding the kids in their laps.


ETA: And count me as one of those "neglectful" parents who doesn't care about the well-being of her family because I am willing to get on a crowded bus with my kids. Do I expect a seat? No. Do my kids expect a seat? No. Even in their tired state, they want to stand because they think it's fun. Getting back to our room is the priority, not whether or not we have a seat. So, we roll the dice and take a chance that we'll get seats. If we don't, we make lemonade.

YOU are NOT neglectful parents! The neglectful ones are the ones who get on EXPECTING someone to give up a seat and when no one does, they give nasty looks and make nasty comments about people not giving up their seats for the kids.

As to taking the bus and not having to wake up enough to drive, I totally agree. We DO wait for the next bus because I don't want to end up standing. At the end of the night I tend to doze on the bus and I can't do that standing up.

 

[Cafeen]

So, so far we've distilled that everyone here that is able to give up their seat is generally willing. Everyone that would like to sit (or needs to) either waits or finds alternative transportation. Everyone here (except a select couple) doesn't care if other people give up their seat or not.

Where's the debate?

I do agree with the AS situation, but if it's that bad, how far of a walk to the other bus stop would it be (roughly 3/4 of a mile by my crappy Google Earth measuring, and that's going from Mo to Sp and between bus stops, YMMV (literally!) if from a different building)? Not saying anything against the poster in this situation, as it was likely not thought of, but it's certainly an option if it's too much of a need. (Though, I do agree that if the system doesn't work to your liking, then you're better off using your own. Which gives others more seats anyway, so again, no problem there ).

 

[Hannathy]

I think Disney needs to post signs in several languages at bus stops and at some shows defining the term Standing Room Only!!!!

If you get on a bus that is SRO or a show that is SRO it means you, not me, not my DH, not my Kids, not the guy in the third row, but YOU will stand.

It never fails to amaze me how this simple logic isn't understood.

 

[cm8]

I think Disney needs to post signs in several languages at bus stops and at some shows defining the term Standing Room Only!!!!

If you get on a bus that is SRO or a show that is SRO it means you, not me, not my DH, not my Kids, not the guy in the third row, but YOU will stand.

It never fails to amaze me how this simple logic isn't understood.