Thai Airways refuses to put armed guards on US-bound flights

[monarchsfan16]

i'm sorry that i misinterpreted what you have said in other threads...most specifically the debate one on human rights...

 

[C.Ann]

Simple solution.. Don't let them land here - or for that matter, don't even allow them in our air space..

They have the right to refuse - and so do we....

 

[rrsafety]

Hey JJ, looks like you'll get your (and my) wish regarding trying the terrorists in front of some judges. I imagine some of the Gitmo guys will be let go, others handed over for prison time in their home countries, and some will be found guilty and spend the rest of their lives in Gitmo. I guess some of these fellows in Gitmo made some pretty bad "life decisions", eh?:

"The Pentagon announced Tuesday it has recruited four judges -- including a sitting state chief justice -- to serve as an appeals panel for the Defense Department's controversial military trials of alleged terrorists.

The panel includes two current civilian judges: Frank Williams, chief justice of the Rhode Island Supreme Court, and Edward G. Biester, a judge in the Court of Common Pleas of Bucks County, Pa., and a former state attorney general and member of the House of Representatives.

The Pentagon has also appointed Griffin B. Bell, former U.S. attorney general and former U.S. circuit judge, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit; and William T. Coleman, Jr., former secretary of transportation."

 

[always quiet]

jjcollins,
I don't understand how "you" have lived with terrorism for 30 years. If you are talking about the unrest in Ireland, well....that is YOUR country fighting amoung itself. You are not talking about a force outside of your countries boundaries, attacking you for some evil that they think America is. There is a huge difference between an unexpected, unwarranted attack and civil unrest between your countries citizens.

 

[Boston Tea Party]

terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion


terror: violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands



I do believe that rational people agree that Ireland does indeed suffer from terrorism.

I doubt that anyone who is hurt or the loved ones of those killed by a terroristic act give a crap if the terrorists are of the same nationality.

Are you saying, then, that the bombing at Oklahoma City was not terrorism??

 

[Mskanga]

All i want is for justice to be done - I've said all along try them and if found guilty let the full measure of the law take place.

You want justice after we get attacked again? why not do something before that to prevent the attack?

As one who has lived with Terrorism for 30yrs - i want all terrorists brought to justice.

As someone who has lived with terrorism for 25 years of my life , and as a victim of it, I can assure you that no amount of justice, pays for those people's actions, no punishment fits their crimes unless it's the death penalty.
You talk about justice, I talk about prevention. I do not want justice after the fact, I want prevention before the attacks, and whoever does not comply, sorry , you are not getting here!

 

[rrsafety]

Originally posted by always quiet
If you are talking about the unrest in Ireland, well....that is YOUR country fighting amoung itself. You are not talking about a force outside of your countries boundaries, attacking you for some evil that they think America is. There is a huge difference between an unexpected, unwarranted attack and civil unrest between your countries citizens.

JJ,

I apologize for the ignorance of some of my fellow countrymen (as in the above quote). I am well aware of the horror of terrorism visited upon the people of Ireland over the past decades.

Most of all, I remember when 29 men, women and children died and hundreds were injured when a car bomb exploded in 1998 on a Saturday when the center was full of shoppers and visitors.

I agree with President Bush when he added groups associated with the IRA to the list of terror organizations. President Bush and his many informed supporters are holding the line against terrorism in its many forms, even though some of the less-informed of my fellow Americans (see above) seem to draw distinctions between what kinds of kids it is okay to kill with car bombs...

-- rrsafety in boston

 

[DocRafiki]

Originally posted by jjcollins
As one who has lived with Terrorism for 30yrs - i want all terrorists brought to justice.


jj........

A) You have some serious nerve (and a big helping of ignorance) if you think they're comparable.

B) Living w/terrorism for 30 years-- is this something you're proud of? I find it interesting that the "livng w/it for 30 years" goes hand in hand with your lenient views on dealing with it. If you haven't realized it by now, Americans are not the types to sit idly by and allow these things to continue. We do NOT intend on being terrorized for the next 30 years. You go on and allow it to continue, and then punish people AFTER they commit the acts. We, on the other hand, will stop it at its roots.

As some of you know, I've already expressed my agreement about the signature. I would be insulted if I valued this person's opinion in the least.

 

[rrsafety]

Originally posted by DocRafiki
A) You have some serious nerve (and a big helping of ignorance) if you think they're comparable.

B) Living w/terrorism for 30 years-- is this something you're proud of? I find it interesting that the "livng w/it for 30 years" goes hand in hand with your lenient views on dealing with it.

Oh, brother, more American ignorance...can it be true what the Europeans say about us? To tell from this board, the Euros are spot on. Luckily, I'm fortunate to get around quite a bit, so I know the folks on this board are not representative of most Americans.

For instance, MOST DECENT Americans think what happend in Omagh and the murders of children was a BAD thing. According to the poster quoted above, apparently those children deserved being ripped apart by a bomb because of somebody's "lenient views of dealing with it".

By the way, DocRafiki, ask the many imprisoned Irishmen (some of them innocent) if they thought the Brits were lenient or perhaps some of the protestors from Black Sunday if they thought their treatment was lenient. Or is this history lesson (otherwise known as the facts) getting in the way of your simple view of the world?

Please folks, its okay to disagree with one another, but when you actually come to this board and attempt to suggest that blowing up an Irish child is somehow "just desserts" for a "lenient" judiciary, but that the killing of Americans is MUCH MORE of a horror and unjust, your just making yourself into a public spectacle.

Oh, by the way, since you are obviously in need of a history lesson. When you say "Americans aren't the kind to sit idly by..." Oh yeah??? How about the Beirut bombing, Beirut kidnappings, First World Trade Center Bombing, USS Cole..." Sounds like we WERE sitting idly by....

-- rrsafety in Boston

 

[DocRafiki]

Originally posted by rrsafety
For instance, MOST DECENT Americans think what happend in Omagh and the murders of children was a BAD thing. According to the poster quoted above, apparently those children deserved being ripped apart by a bomb because of somebody's "lenient views of dealing with it".

Are you HIGH? Please point out where I said that. How about an ENGLISH lesson? "Not comparable" in no way = "those children deserved being ripped apart by a bomb." How STUPID!

By the way, DocRafiki, ask the many imprisoned Irishmen (some of them innocent) if they thought the Brits were lenient or perhaps some of the protestors from Black Sunday if they thought their treatment was lenient. Or is this history lesson (otherwise known as the facts) getting the way of your simple view of the world?

And if you would go back and read JJ's other garbage, you would see that I'm referring to HIS lenient views. He has repeatedly mocked news reports on American efforts to fight terrorism.

Please folks, its okay to disagree with one another, but when you actually come to this board and attempt to suggest that blowing up an Irish child is somehow "just desserts" for a "lenient" judiciary, but that the killing of Americans is MUCH MORE of a horror and unjust, your just making yourself into a public spectacle.

You didn't do very well in "reading comprehension" in school, did you?

And yes, it was MUCH MORE of a horror. It's a fact of numbers (death toll) PLUS the effect on this country's economy and psyche. It had nothing to do with nationality; you fabricated that yourself.

Oh, by the way, since you are obviously in need of a history lesson. When you say "Americans aren't the kind to sit idly by..." Oh yeah??? How about the Beirut bombing, Beirut kidnappings, First World Trade Center Bombing, USS Cole..." Sounds like we WERE sitting idly by....

...just another example of the magnitude of 9/11/01. The others you mentioned were more on the scale of what other countries have endured, and thus people like JJ have no business giving us their "been there, done that, you'll get over it" garbage.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Originally posted by rrsafety
Oh, brother, more American ignorance...can it be true what the Europeans say about us? To tell from this board, the Euros are spot on. Luckily, I'm fortunate to get around quite a bit, so I know the folks on this board are not representative of most Americans............

-- rrsafety in Boston

There used to be another clown from Boston here who talked like you, had a REAL attitude problem. You sure feel singularly fortunate in in being most representative, don't you? Get with it, pal!!!!! And please don't blanketly apologize for my 'ignorance'. If I want to, I will apologize myself for my ignorance.

And for what it's worth, that jj character has done here what he had hope for.

 

[TIGGERSMOM]

Strangely familiar


Dan - the saying "Hook, Line & Sinker" come to mind

 

[DocRafiki]

I'd also like to point out, JJ, that there is a debate board here if you'd like to air your grief with our policies.

The only reason I can see you posting your "cut-and-pastes" here rather than there is that you're trying to bypass the rules there. You would actually have to post your personal opinion there rather than relying on your passive-aggressive implications. Obviously, you don't have the courage to state what's on your mind.

 

[SplshMtn99]

As I posted on one of your other threads jj:

It's interesting what % of your posts have to do with terrorists.



I know! Maybe it's time for you to visit the Parks board & plan something HAPPY -- like a trip to WDW!

But, the Debate also seems like a place you might enjoy MUCH more. Give it a try! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jjcollins]

thus people like JJ have no business giving us their "been there, done that, you'll get over it" garbage

One thing i will say if you keep up your attitudes you will indeed has Terrorism with you for 10-20 or even 30yrs.

This is how to change peoples attitudes about the U.S

Medics from Iran's arch-foe the United States joined scores of other relief workers in the ancient Iranian city of Bam Wednesday in helping survivors of an earthquake that killed at least 30,000 people.

An 80-strong U.S. team of medics and relief experts arrived in Iran Sunday but had only just begun to start scouting possible locations to set up a field hospital in Bam, which they reached Tuesday.

"It has been a challenge working the diplomatic side of it simply because normally when we go into another foreign country we have an embassy that coordinates all the logistics," said Marty Bahamonde, spokesman for U.S. disaster relief body the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Washington broke ties with Tehran shortly after the 1979 Islamic revolution, but has been at the forefront of the earthquake relief effort, sending planeloads of blankets, sheeting, medical supplies and water.

Bahamonde said he and his team had received an enthusiastic welcome and planned to stay for up to three weeks. "We are here as humanitarians and they realize that," he said.


PS - A great advert -- DocRafiki or Dan any time you want to debate Northern Ireland give me a shout.


Thanks rrsafety - when i was a firefighter i never asked the victim was she Protestant or Catholic.

jj...........

 

[always quiet]

I think one thing we all can agree on (at least I HOPE we all agree on!!)......violence, of any sort, against any one of any nationality, from the bullies in the elementary playgrounds to the tyrants in foreign lands....is evil...it is wrong. We ALL should do our part in making the world a nicer place to live and to raise our children in. I don't care if you live in the USA, England, Ireland, China....wherever! Take a moment every day to show some kindness...smile at a stranger....hold the door for somone. DO SOMETHING POSITIVE!!

Now, on this note, I kindly ask a moderator to please lock this thread. It has gone way off it's path and is only turning into "sticks and stones".

Thank you and may we all have a safe healthy New Year!!

 

[jjcollins]

Just one thing if the thread is to be closed --

Mexico has placed armed, undercover police on flights to key destinations in the United States to prevent air attacks over the holiday period and for as long as Washington perceives a heightened terror threat.

Alejandro Gertz, the public security minister, said on Tuesday that Mexico began putting undercover police on Mexican commercial flights last week, but declined to say how many or on which flights.

"The idea is, for us, to protect Mexican airlines and our passengers traveling to the United States," Gertz said in a radio interview, adding that the measure was taken in consultation with the US and Canadian governments.

Mexican airport security has been raised one level to level three, the second-highest, Gilberto Lopez Meyer, the head of Mexico's civil aviation authority said. US officials were consulting with airport authorities on increasing security, an airport official said on condition of anonymity.

A top official at Mexico City's international airport said special attention was being placed on Mexican airline flights to Los Angeles, New York and Washington.


Thanks Colleen - and a safe healthy New Year you ( and everyone else )

jj...........

 

[Mskanga]

Originally posted by rrsafety
Oh, brother, more American ignorance...can it be true what the Europeans say about us?

And what is it exactly that they say about us? Enlighten me please!

 

[rrsafety]

Originally posted by jjcollins
This is how to change peoples attitudes about the U.S.

Medics from Iran's arch-foe the United States joined scores of other relief workers in the ancient Iranian city of Bam Wednesday in helping survivors of an earthquake that killed at least 30,000 people.
jj...........

Sorry, JJ, but have to disagree with you on this one as it contains a number of faulty assumptions.

1) It assumes I want people's attitudes about the U.S. to change. I really don't care one way or another.

For instance, a 6.5 magnitude earthquake struck California last week and for all of Europe's view that we in the states have a "cowboy-style, small-government, let everyone fend for themselves, the government doesn't care about people" attitude, only two people were killed because of excellent committment to building codes. In Iran, they'll be digging out for another five years. Just more proof that people's attitudes are based on faulty information.

Whether people in Iran's attitudes change about the US is immaterial. What is important is whether or not the people of Iran's understanding of reality changes...as in..."anti-Americanism doesn't make your buildings any stronger".

2) More disturbing still, is your assumption (underlying, but definately there in almost any argument made by many Europeans) that 9/11 was caused because of a lack of American generosity and a lack of kindness in American foreign policy. Just the opposite. 9/11 was caused by a mis-understanding of our enemy. Our enemy, the murderous haters of Western Civlization, saw weakness where there should have been strength. The problem is not that the US wasn't FEEDING enough of these West-Haters, it was that we weren't KILLING enough of these West-Haters.

Thank goodness that has changed....

Yes, we'll feed some Iranians, but that won't change the views of the murdering anti-Westerners. So long as they continue to subscribe to a pathological hatred of all things modern (women's rights, oh horror) then they will continue to kill and kill and kill. Putting them on the dole as you suggest is exactly the WRONG thing to do...

with regards,

rrsafety in Boston

 

[Mskanga]

I still want to know what it is that Europeans say about us....