TG Mike or UOG??

tmtg

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Hi everybody, :goodvibes

I am wondering what people suggest for touring plans :confused3 . The ones that you can get from the UOG (Unoffical Guride to WDW) that are scientifically researched and have a smart computer program making them, or the ones that you can buy from Tour Guide Mike??

I am sure that some will say Tour Guide Mike since he is an offical sponsor, but if I am really interested in the why you would choose one over the other.

Thanks a lot!!! :banana:
 
We use those 2 plus Birnbaum & all the advice on the DISboards.
The 1st time we went with DS we also used a book designed for WDW goers with small children.
For us the UG plans work out fine, but we do incorporate the above sources, too
Those are constants & we do read other books. Lots of folks on the boards swear by their Passporters, too.
And for all the published plans you do have to be flexible & keep an eye out to the main advantage as it pops up.
Yep, flexibility is a must~ :thumbsup2

Jean
 
No matter which you choose, it is more important to learn the principles behind the touring plans, than to obtain and use a preset touring plan from them.
 
Also, please understand with TGM you are not just buying touring plans. It's really a whole guidebook online. There is detailed information about each attraction, the resorts, restaurants, entertainment, best viewing spots, etc. TGM provides sample tour plans but does not create a touring plan customized for you. The information is provided for you to create a touring plan that works best for you. Some of the best information on the site is in regards to which are the best parks to visit on a particular day and which you should avoid.
 

Signed on with TGM for our first trip a few months before he was an official sponsor so there was no influence there! I believe too that TGM is a guidebook online, not just touring plans. And I would rather have an internet resource than a printed book that came out a few months ago and went to the editor, and the printer, months before that! I think the info on TGM is far more up to date. (Mike, if you are reading this send a little love to the Tag Fairy for me - if sure as a sponsor you have an in with her!)
 
We have been to Disney many times, always during the summer, and I always buy a guidebook. I enjoy reading them, finding out whats new, and just for fun. Figured I pretty much knew it all between the books and these boards. Last year I decided why not try TGM! Best money I have ever invested. Just subscribed again and will be using his info again this year. :)
 
tmtg said:
Hi everybody, :goodvibes

I am wondering what people suggest for touring plans :confused3 . The ones that you can get from the UOG (Unoffical Guride to WDW) that are scientifically researched and have a smart computer program making them, or the ones that you can buy from Tour Guide Mike??

I am sure that some will say Tour Guide Mike since he is an offical sponsor, but if I am really interested in the why you would choose one over the other.

Thanks a lot!!! :banana:

All of the touring plan products have their plusses and minuses. We are lucky to have so many good options these days. I do not think any will be a waste of your money.

It is true that TGM is a comprehensive guide to planning a WDW vacation, not just touring plans. TGM has a very few generic sample plans, all of which require early arrival at the parks, which many members follow so closely that they see each other at the rides. They basically mimic what he does as a professional tour guide in the parks, and they are very successful for many people. On the other hand, if your planned attractions differ markedly from what TGM thinks is worth seeing, his plans won't help, but many claim the site offers a "philosophy" which can help you design your own plan. TGM takes the most work, unless you follow the sample plans, but for many has the biggest payoff. One nice thing about TGM is that you can post your proposed plan to the private forums and many experienced people will critique them.

The UG book is the most comprehensive total guide for planning a WDW vacation, bar none. If you are just looking for touring plans, it has maybe 15 or so touring plans (including plans for Universal and Sea World, which is handy). And/or you can pay a nominal fee to get access to the 100 plans on their website, www.touringplans.com. The website plans focus on specific needs, like half day touring, touring with young boys or girls, late arrival touring, etc.

There is a lot of talk about how out of date print guidebooks are compared to TGM, but I personally think the UG folks do a good job of posting updates on the free part of their website, www.touringplans.com, and I also think there is plenty out of date on TGM. So in my opinion, they are about even there. On the other hand, since TGM is in the parks every day, he can email the forums with updated park info, which is not a UG option.

Now there is also a third very cool option. (I have purchased all three). Ridemax. You pay $30 for an annual subscription (there are other less expensive options), you download software, you input the date and exact rides/shows you want to do, and it gives you a minute by minute plan for the day. This is the only product that gives you the precise set of rides that you want to do on the day you want to do it -- it's the lazy person's option! I am having a lot of fun playing with it. But it is not a comprehensive vacation guide. I have not tested the plans yet, but others rave about the value of RideMax for DL.

We tend to mix elements of the different plans, which is half the fun for me. If I had to pick one for touring alone, I honestly don't know what I would be. I will let you know when we get back!

You can send me a PM for more information or details on how the plans have worked for us in past years.

Hope this helps!
 
The folks that write the UG books stay at every hotel and eat at every restaurant they review--they don't review if they haven't experienced it. I'm not sure if TMG does this or not. And the UG folks don't write about WDW from their own personal points of view. The write about it so you can make your own decisions. They understand everyone is different.

I've tried them both and I like the UG book and www.touringplans.com. I like solid numbers and scientific observations. But that's just me.
 
I used TG Mike last week and did not wait more than 15 mionutes for anything! We rode everything we wanted with several multiple times. I would use it again in a heartbeat!
Alicia
 
Either is a good option just follow the advice and you'll be fine. I'll go as far as say if you follow the advice on this board you could do all you want without the guides. I've used UG and have never had any trouble with lines and have gone spring break and summer . IT is all about which one you get first and then most people swear by that one. The are both about the same i'd just choose one and you willl do just fine. :thumbsup2
 
We just got back from spring break :sad1: (and yes, to relieve my depression I am planning our next trip back :hourglass ). We used UG for our touring plans and it was awesome! We have 3 kids (9, 7, and 4) and saw everything everyone wanted to see. Didn't wait long for anything and were constantly amazed that we always seemed to be one step ahead of the crowds. We also used Passporter for the maps (they are better than the park maps or UG maps) and it was a great way to stay organized. Never used TGM's so can't comment but I will use UG again when we go back. Hope this helps!
 
I use the Unofficial Guide every year and have used TGM 3 times - when it first came out and most recently last May. I actually just noticed this morning that the touringplans site is changing the design of their website and links to the new one in progress. Beta touringplan site I buy the book every year and I supplement it with the touring plans on the site.

I purchase other books and use other sites however I find I consistently use the Unofficial Guide. I like their expert approach to the data and have found their data for off property and on to be the most comprehensive.
 
Hi.

The last two times I've gone down to WDW (10/02 & 8/05), DW and I have used the UG with (near-) perfect success. And, on our trip last year, we also made the decision to subscribe to TGM, based on the mostly rave reviews here on the DIS. And, gotta tell you, though TGM is way overhyped on these boards (even before he was a sponsor), I found his advice to be mostly on the mark, as well.

Now to the quibbles: With UG--I regard this publication to be the industry standard, put simply. It is the very definition of exhaustive (without, IMO, being exhausting) and, as stated previously, it also has touring plans for the Universal parks and Sea World. But, having said all that, I did narrowly miss having the October '02 trip darn near ruined due to making lodging plans based on a good review of a Kissimmee Red Roof Inn in the UG. We were on a tight budget, and needed to stay off-property, and so we booked in advance at said Red Roof Inn based on the very good review of the property in the UG and the low price, and were promptly floored, and not at all in a good way, with the location and condition of the property. Long story short, we were able to get a room for literally only a few dollars more at the Quality Inn International off of I-Drive on Sand Lake Road with far superior (and safer) rooms.

With TGM--Firstly, I must say that I found two things more or less worth the price of subscription: Mike's advice on most effectively utilizing Fastpass, and his touring plans (or, more accurately, philosophy) for Animal Kingdom (although things at that park have certainly changed now, with the addition of Expedition Everest, and I'm danged curious to see how TGM's plans have changed). But I have to be honest. I was a little underwhelmed when I first subscribed and started poking around the site. I mean, I was expecting personalized touring plans (I dunno, must of had something to do with reading phrases like "customized itineraries" on his site before I subscribed), and that you do not get. Oh, sure, the stuff is personalized in the same way that a sweepstakes mailing from Publisher's Clearinghouse is personalized (e.g., it plugs your name into several places of various web pages resembling form letters). And there was one particular bit of touring advice given regarding doing Soarin' at park opening that actually got me talked to quite sternly from a Land CM. Thanks for that li'l nugget o' Disney magic, Mike! :wave2:

But, seriously, going with one or the other (and supplementing your info with getting questions answered right here on the good ol' DIS :thumbsup2 ) will be fine. You could even do both, and you really wouldn't be wasting your money. But would you really need to do what DW and I did and get the UG, TGM, Birnbaum, and PassPorter? IMO, no. I mean, no, you don't need to, but it does sure stoke those fires of anticipation in a fun way.

Bottom line, if you're going to use touring plans (any touring plans), expect to do a lot of brisk walking and criss-crossing the parks. IMO, utilizing touring plans comes awfully close to going commando, and your peds will suffer. But you will also get to see practically everything you want to, and with little or no wait.

Whatever you decide, I am certain that you will have an AWESOME trip. After all, it is WDW!! :sunny:
 
Mainebound said:
All of the touring plan products have their plusses and minuses. We are lucky to have so many good options these days. I do not think any will be a waste of your money.
I like Maine's comprehensive response. I would add a couple thoughts. I have the 2006 UOG, signed up for the touringplans subscription, signed up for TGM, and signed up for RideMax. Wow, lots of info.

I know where Maine was coming from when there was a reference to RideMax as a "third option". For some people it will appear that way. I would call RideMax a "third resource", as it does not line up directly as a competitor with UOG and TGM, although it does more so with UOG's touringplans website.

RideMax is highly focused on rides, and the cool thing about it is that you can speciy which rides you want to do, and which ones you want to ride twice or more. So as Maine described, you get a customized plan each time you run it. The WDW version was just released early April, and feedback is still needed from users (our trip is in May). RideMax can be improved when it offers a way to include shows and parades.

While RideMax does offer tips and background info in its help system, TGM offers a wealth of up to date knowledge about everything WDW. UOG does this too, but since it is hard copy the info is not as dynamic. The touring is just part of what TGM offers. TGM answers many "why" questions, and helps you understand "how" to tour the parks. The UOG does this a bit too, but I think TGM goes further in this area.

In conclusion, I do not think one should view these as three competing options, but rather as three resources with different strengths and emphasis which overlap in many ways and can be used in complementary ways. I think Maine said this too, and I agree.

From what I have seen so far, I think I will go back to TGM and RideMax in the future.
 
wow I must say that i am quite impressed with the quality of all of the responses. I personally own the UOG and OG, so I think I will stick with the plan in the UOG since I have enough time to do the two day tour plans and won't have to do that much criss crossing. Thanks again for all of the info and advice though.

As per the suggestion of getting the passport (for the good maps), where can I get it and how much is it?

thanks again! :blush:
 
We are WDW information junkies - we check here & allearsnet, buy Birnbaum (best Fort Wilderness Campground activities info), always buy a UG, and use TGM. For our first trip, the UG was great. We wanted to hit the parks like commandos and do it all...you can always sleep at home! But we've been there several times now and now prefer Mike's philosophy of having the best over all experience.

We took a group of 35 last year on the 3rd week of June. Most of them had never been to WDW - some had never done a vacation other than visiting relatives. We used TGM and never waited more than 20 minutes for anything - most waits were much shorter. Everyone had a great experience.

When I'm making recommendations, I always ask, "Are you a book person or an internet person"? I have a friend who prides herself on not using the internet...don't ask me why, I have no idea. Obviously I wouldn't recommend TGM to her.

TGM does such a great job of explaining the philosophy behind the touring decisions that it really was the best choice for our friend with a deaf daughter. They had to work around the WDW Sign Language interpreter schedule - which was an excellent service. Knowing why something is better at certain times helped them make the most of their time when they didn't really have the option to choose best days etc.
 
We just returned from a 3/25-4/1 trip and used TGM for the first time. I HIGHLY recommend it. It is updated constantly and has more information than you could ever sort through.

The MK park hours for our week were changed a couple of weeks before we left, and TGM sent and email to all March vacationers with the update. I found it to be right on the money in every way.

In contrast, the UG rated every day of our stay a crowd level of "10" according to their published book (this was later changed on the website). if I had only used the book, I would have been very misled. Plus, it is just easier to me to click around on TGM's site rather than flip pages back and forth in a book.

Just MHO.
 
nicolemarie said:
We just returned from a 3/25-4/1 trip and used TGM for the first time. I HIGHLY recommend it. It is updated constantly and has more information than you could ever sort through.

The MK park hours for our week were changed a couple of weeks before we left, and TGM sent and email to all March vacationers with the update. I found it to be right on the money in every way.

In contrast, the UG rated every day of our stay a crowd level of "10" according to their published book (this was later changed on the website). if I had only used the book, I would have been very misled. Plus, it is just easier to me to click around on TGM's site rather than flip pages back and forth in a book.

Just MHO.

nicole marie

Just curious--without divulging specific information--did you follow Mike's advise to the letter? Did you go to any extra magic hours in any of the parks--am or pm?
 
I don't think I would ever pay for TGM again. I found that all the information he had was easily accessible in all the other web sites that are for WDW and are free. I found that by following the simple rule of stay away from EE (days or nights) and to go to the parks that had EE the day before worked. It is not worth the money if you are a Disney person who knows where to go and how to use the fast pass.

If a person is a newbie then it is useful and compact except that I found the site to be hard to navigate at times and can be frustrating. But a newbie armed with google can find the good websites that will be just as helpful and free.
 
nicolemarie said:
We just returned from a 3/25-4/1 trip and used TGM for the first time. I HIGHLY recommend it. It is updated constantly and has more information than you could ever sort through.

The MK park hours for our week were changed a couple of weeks before we left, and TGM sent and email to all March vacationers with the update. I found it to be right on the money in every way.

In contrast, the UG rated every day of our stay a crowd level of "10" according to their published book (this was later changed on the website). if I had only used the book, I would have been very misled. Plus, it is just easier to me to click around on TGM's site rather than flip pages back and forth in a book.

Just MHO.

My UG WDW book does not have the BestDays table. It's only available on the website now. I noticed the table was in the "Look Inside" version on Amazon's site though.
 


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