Texas

[DisneyJamieCA]

I don’t know why we are blaming him for people not wearing masks or social distancing. At some point we have to take personal responsibility and quit blaming the powers that be.

California is also seeing a huge spike in cases where the opening has been much slower. Why is that not getting any scrutiny/ media coverage?

Two reasons CA isn’t getting the same heat.

1) while I think it was way too late, our Gov did mandate masks. The Gov of TX should have as well, instead of being more concerned with what his base thinks. Yes, people should take personal responsibility, but it’s obviously been proven many people won’t without being forced too.

2) Our state health dept has acknowledged there are some counties in trouble and they are dealing with that, but our state actually isn’t spiking. We are having an expected steady increase for most of the state. You have to remember the size of our state population.

But if anybody wants an idea of how quickly this can spread. San Quentin had zero cases up through the end of May. Then they transferred 120 prisoners from Chino, where there was an outbreak without testing them. As of today, SQ has over 600 cases. That’s 0 to 600 in two weeks. So yeah, our state has made major mistakes along the way too.
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/27/8841...outbreak-in-ca-prison-alarms-health-officials

 

[Imzadi]

How sad it is that people refuse to take this seriously until they see it with their own eyes. People i know here in Texas have yet to be touched by it personally, so they just galavant all over like no big deal.

This actually happened to ME when we got the first couple of cases on the east coast, here in NYC. We were told the percentage of people actually dying of the Coronavirus is about 1%.

I thought, out of the 8.5 million people in NYC alone, what are my chances of actually knowing someone who dies of it? Or that I could die from it? I figured, slim to none. So, I was quite cavalier at the beginning of it. I remember that time period very clearly and remember posting on the DIS, when we had a total of NINE confirmed Coronavirus cases and was hoping Celine Dion's concert in Brooklyn, the following week, wouldn't be cancelled on March 5. There were so few medical details back then about how COVID-19 gets transmitted, I BOASTED how we were still out living life and went to the concert. I even posted pics in the post below of the convention center being absolutely full:

I had the time of my life last night!!! I don't have a voice today, we were all singing along at the top of our lungs. Celine was fantastic about that. And Brooklyn really knows how to party. ​

​

Celine got a well deserved, 7 minute standing ovation after Titanic. We love her so much. ♥ I wish we could go again.​

​

I have to go through my photos later. Most of them are crappy & too grainy. We were right in alignment with the back lighting, as we were dead center. So my camera couldn't focus well. ​

​

But, in keeping with the topic of this thread, Celine's tour & new album is called Courage. She let us know she did know what it took for us to all gather together to see her.​

​

Even though there were 22 confirmed Coronavirus cases, as of last night, (Now 33 and 4000 in self-quarantine. Although the majority are voluntary. Only 44 are mandatory.) THIS is what Brooklyn looked like last night. We're still out living life. And I didn't hear a single person coughing or sneezing anywhere I was at. I did see a couple elderly women wearing masks, as they probably should as they are in the high risk category.​

​

​

So, yep, that was me too.

Then about the second week that the Coronavirus spread over to NJ, a fellow art colleague of mine dies due to Coronavirus. I hadn't seen her in over a decade. But, I happened to check in at one of my online art groups, and someone posted a photo of her work in memorium, that I recognized, as I have a couple pieces of her work. When I found out she had died due to Coronavirus, it was a a punch to my heart. And it came from further west, in NJ. Not even in NYC, in NJ, in a rather posh, well-to-do neighborhood, which I hadn't even considered in my musing about whether I'd know someone. So add on about another 1.5 million people to the tri-state NY/NJ/CT area.

Suddenly, that "1%" of the population that dies due to Coronavirus, became very big, very personal, and very close. It was no longer a nebulous, abstract, far away number, way out there somewhere. Most importantly, it made me wonder if I am in that 1%?

Carla's death changed and saved my life. She was a good, very generous, thoughtful human being. She inspired people wherever she went. So, it's not like only evil or nasty people die from Coronavirus. Even Harvey Weinstein got Coronavirus in prison and he lived through it. It's not like in, The Ten Commandments, where a deity or force travels through and only plucks out certain people to die, and passes over others.

I could be and maybe still am in that 1%. Why would I be exempt? Now, instead of being cavalier or daring, I take quarantining and mask wearing seriously. I know too much about Covid-19 now, spend too much time watching news briefings & poring over medical info, and trying to stay up-to-date on all the science & medical data in the hopes of saving myself and informing others if they are interested, if I happen to learn something new.

 

[AustinTink]

I went to Kroger this afternoon and still saw most people not wearing masks. I guess the bars closing isn't enough to faze them.

They're not fazed but apparently they are all stocking up on toilet paper again. HEB just reinstated a purchase limit. And they are reinstating a limit on total number of items for curbside orders. I try to only order once every 10 days, so that one hurts us.

 

[AustinTink]

This actually happened to ME when we got the first couple of cases on the east coast, here in NYC. We were told the percentage of people actually dying of the Coronavirus is about 1%.

I thought, out of the 8.5 million people in NYC alone, what are my chances of actually knowing someone who dies of it? Or that I could die from it? I figured, slim to none. So, I was quite cavalier at the beginning of it. I remember that time period very clearly and remember posting on the DIS, when we had a total of NINE confirmed Coronavirus cases and was hoping Celine Dion's concert in Brooklyn, the following week, wouldn't be cancelled on March 5. There were so few medical details back then about how COVID-19 gets transmitted, I BOASTED how we were still out living life and went to the concert. I even posted pics in the post below of the convention center being absolutely full:

​

​

So, yep, that was me too.

Then about the second week that the Coronavirus spread over to NJ, a fellow art colleague of mine dies due to Coronavirus. I hadn't seen her in over a decade. But, I happened to check in at one of my online art groups, and someone posted a photo of her work in memorium, that I recognized, as I have a couple pieces of her work. When I found out she had died due to Coronavirus, it was a a punch to my heart. And it came from further west, in NJ. Not even in NYC, in NJ, in a rather posh, well-to-do neighborhood, which I hadn't even considered in my musing about whether I'd know someone. So add on about another 1.5 million people to the tri-state NY/NJ/CT area.

Suddenly, that "1%" of the population that dies due to Coronavirus, became very big, very personal, and very close. It was no longer a nebulous, abstract, far away number, way out there somewhere. Most importantly, it made me wonder if I am in that 1%?

Carla's death changed and saved my life. She was a good, very generous, thoughtful human being. She inspired people wherever she went. So, it's not like only evil or nasty people die from Coronavirus. Even Harvey Weinstein got Coronavirus in prison and he lived through it. It's not like in, The Ten Commandments, where a deity or force travels through and only plucks out certain people to die, and passes over others.

I could be and maybe still am in that 1%. Now, instead of being cavalier or daring, I take quarantining and mask wearing seriously. I know too much about Covid-19, spend too much time watching news briefings & poring over medical info, and trying to stay up-to-date on all the science & medical data in the hopes of saving myself and informing any others who are interested in reading what I learned. (A mouse with a good scroll wheel works for those not interested. ) Carla's death saved me. I'm just trying to pay it forward.

I'm so sorry about your friend/colleague. It really hits home when you know someone with it. My husband's good friend was in the hospital for weeks and was on a ventilator. Thankfully, he made it through but may never be the same again. Stay safe over there!

 

[tarheelmjfan]

I don’t know why we are blaming him for people not wearing masks or social distancing. At some point we have to take personal responsibility and quit blaming the powers that be.

California is also seeing a huge spike in cases where the opening has been much slower. Why is that not getting any scrutiny/ media coverage?

People are blaming him, because he has the power to do something about it.

 

[AustinTink]

Because he has the power to do something about it.

Exactly. He also knows people will not act responsibly unless he forces them to do so.

 

[Jrb1979]

I think people forget we shut down to slow the spread, not prevent it, which at that point was impossible to do. Now they expect it to be completely gone before we can work, gather or take off our masks.

There is going to be a hefty price tag to this lock down and business restrictions in the way of economic disaster that will hit everyone but the 1%

I'm sorry but I disagree. I'm a Canadian and have seen how it can be done. Yes our deaths are high but most of that is due to Senior homes. The province I live in had 170 cases today and have been below 200 for the past few weeks. It baffles me on why many U.S. states couldn't do the same.

We are in phase 2 here and have just allowed restaurants to open but only their patios. Malls are opening but have limited capacity. All retail has been open for a month now. No theme parks have any dates for opening yet. If cases stay low then the next phase happens.

 

[ToddlerMom311]

Things are looking pretty bad in San Antonio too. 795 new cases today and a county-wide telephone alert urging us all to stay home. Two weeks ago I didn't really know anyone affected by covid, but the last few days it really feels like it is crashing down all around me.

 

[Heather07438]

As humans we take cues from each other.

Good leadership gets through to people by providing good reason and strategy. Get enough people onboard to make responsible decisions, the others follow along more easily. That becomes the norm.

In places where enough people decided they were just too cool for covid, others took cues from them and that's what became the norm.

It ends up being a community thing.

 

[Elle23]

They also had huge protests that lasted over a week.

We aren’t supposed to talk about the protests as being a reason for the spikes.

 

[Skippy918]

There’s now a shortage of tests in Austin. We’re back to only those with symptoms can be tested.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavir...-any-more-due-to-shortage-of-tests-in-austin/

 

[AustinTink]

There’s now a shortage of tests in Austin. We’re back to only those with symptoms can be tested.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavir...-any-more-due-to-shortage-of-tests-in-austin/

We're headed down a scary path.

 

[KBoopaloo]

Things are looking pretty bad in San Antonio too. 795 new cases today and a county-wide telephone alert urging us all to stay home. Two weeks ago I didn't really know anyone affected by covid, but the last few days it really feels like it is crashing down all around me.

I am in Massachusetts and we were hit hard early but this is exactly how it felt here. We went from being casual about it, to being more cautious with hand washing, etc to being sent to work from home assuming it would be a few weeks to suddenly personally knowing multiple people in the hospital on ventilators. It got scary fast once it really started.

 

[CO2CA]

My county has done a great job of requiring face masks and people, for the most part, are intelligent. Walmart is a different story but even the people there are starting to wear masks more. However, in the county right next to us they are very anti-mask. The juxtaposition between the two counties is pretty stark. Everything has remained open over there. Their county is smaller in population and is more spread out/rural than ours. Guess which county has significantly less virus cases?

 

[Imzadi]

One thing that I don't think has been posted about or explained, and is very important to know about is: the number of deaths (due to the nature of the Coronavirus) is always a lagging indicator.

Notice all the news is reporting NEW cases in these states. I saw a report today that the total of new cases nationwide for just yesterday is 40,000 new cases. Deaths due to the Coronavirus usually aren't instantaneous. Generally, the longer people are on ventilators, the more likely they will die.

We don't know yet how many of those 40,000 new cases will end up in hospitals on ventilators. Add to that, there are already people in hospitals for the Coronavirus, for the past weeks already, who may die. Add to that, these 40,000 people probably had some contact with others, who now also have the Coronavirus and still don't know they have it. And they in turn infect others. It may take several days to weeks to start getting the numbers of how many deaths there will be due to this recent upsurge of cases. That's yet to come.

If average people, and worse, politicians, are waiting to see what the number of deaths are before changing their actions or changing policies, it will already be too late. That train left the station weeks before.

Likewise, these 40,000 new cases were infected 5 - 14 days ago. People did something back then, in which they got infected.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

One thing that I don't think has been posted about or explained, and is very important to know about is: the number of deaths (due to the nature of the Coronavirus) is always a lagging indicator.

Notice all the news is reporting NEW cases in these states. I saw a report today that the total of new cases nationwide for just yesterday is 40,000 new cases. Deaths due to the Coronavirus usually aren't instantaneous. Generally, the longer people are on ventilators, the more likely they will die.

We don't know yet how many of those 40,000 new cases will end up in hospitals on ventilators. Add to that, there are already people in hospitals for the Coronavirus, for the past weeks already, who may die. Add to that, these 40,000 people probably had some contact with others, who now also have the Coronavirus and still don't know they have it. And they in turn infect others. It may take several days to weeks to start getting the numbers of how many deaths there will be due to this recent upsurge of cases. That's yet to come.

If average people, and worse, politicians, are waiting to see what the number of deaths are before changing their actions or changing policies, it will already be too late. That train left the station weeks before.

Likewise, these 40,000 new cases were infected 5 - 14 days ago. People did something back then, in which they got infected.

I don’t know if it’s been discussed on this thread, but it has been discussed on many of the other Covid threads. And you’re absolutely right - it’s too early to know how these cases today are going to turn out. Our only hope with the numbers trending younger is that we don’t see a spike in deaths like we did early on. But it’ll be weeks before we know either way.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

We aren’t supposed to talk about the protests as being a reason for the spikes.

Yeah. There's a total conspiracy not to talk about it. That's why everyone is talking about it.

 

[hopemax]

I don’t know if it’s been discussed on this thread, but it has been discussed on many of the other Covid threads. And you’re absolutely right - it’s too early to know how these cases today are going to turn out. Our only hope with the numbers trending younger is that we don’t see a spike in deaths like we did early on. But it’ll be weeks before we know either way.

Last night, I went down an Epidemiologist Rabbit Hole on Twitter. Ended up in a thread that discussed Iran's recent resurgence and how it might be predictive for here. I am copying what I posted on another forum where I post.

On May 1st, cases started increasing in Iran. Like here, mostly young people at first. On May 25th, the deaths started climbing and have been climbing for the last month. Although the slope of this climb, is not as severe as the March wave. However, the last couple of days, the daily death numbers have risen to about 85% of the peak.

US cases, have been in a plateau until June 18. Starting June 19, they have kept climbing (yes, it's only been a week). So using the same 3-4 week timeline, that would put it July 10th - July 17th for the start of deaths to rise, and then we see what happens after.

You can use the graphs on the Worldometers pages for the US and Iran to look at the data trends.

 

[Elle23]

Yeah. There's a total conspiracy not to talk about it. That's why everyone is talking about it.

I haven’t seen a lot of people talking about it. All I see is blame being foisted on governors of a certain political persuasion.

 

[Planogirl]

I haven’t seen a lot of people talking about it. All I see is blame being foisted on governors of a certain political persuasion.

I don't have a clue which parties any governors belong to except my own. However I can recognize mismanagement when I see it. I personally don't see people suffering and dying as anything political.