Texas to open 100%

[mrodgers]

Ok, this is absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can they tell you who can ride in your personal vehicle? I can only imagine how awful that really must be, and that would screw with ppl mental health a lot!

How can the State governors tell you who you can and can't have in your home for Thanksgiving and Christmas? They can't, but they did in quite a few of our States. And most of you here were all for it (because I am seeing a lot of new folk whom hasn't been involved in previous threads about masks.)

 

[dez1978]

How can the State governors tell you who you can and can't have in your home for Thanksgiving and Christmas? They can't, but they did in quite a few of our States. And most of you here were all for it (because I am seeing a lot of new folk whom hasn't been involved in previous threads about masks.)

I mean, they could try to tell you who could be in your house, but they didn't have much luck enforcing it.

 

[dez1978]

Interesting, we have a 2 spectator rule that is strictly enforced and names and contacts must be given for contact tracing purposes. We gave up our passes to my son's friends for his last league game last night. We watched the stream it was so fun to hear the kids chanting and cheering for their friends. Some semblance of normal to an otherwise absolutely crazy school year. On the sidelines and in the stands everyone wears masks and must be 6 feet apart from each other. Some of the gyms that are too small do not all spectators at all.

oh yeah. There was none of that at any of our tournaments or football games. Most of them didn't even ask which wrestler you were there for. Not once did I ever have to give my name or anything.

 

[sam_gordon]

Interesting, we have a 2 spectator rule that is strictly enforced and names and contacts must be given for contact tracing purposes. We gave up our passes to my son's friends for his last league game last night. We watched the stream it was so fun to hear the kids chanting and cheering for their friends. Some semblance of normal to an otherwise absolutely crazy school year. On the sidelines and in the stands everyone wears masks and must be 6 feet apart from each other. Some of the gyms that are too small do not all spectators at all.

I think some school systems are sticking to a "2 spectator/player rule" with no thought in how big the stadium/seating is and how many players are on a team. And that makes no sense to me.

This should be a very easy calculation... you know how many you can put in a stadium. Figure out what percentage you are willing to have filled. Tell the team that. Let the team figure out how many fans they can have and how many the visitors can have. If you have a 1000 seat max, and you're comfortable putting 100 (10%) people in the stands, that would be 50 people/team (home and visitor). If you have 50 people on the football team, they each get one fan. If you have 25 on the soccer team, they each get two fans.

Instead, you get this stupid "everyone gets two fans" regardless of whether you're in a 5000 seat football stadium or a 500 seat basketball arena.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

How can the State governors tell you who you can and can't have in your home for Thanksgiving and Christmas? They can't, but they did in quite a few of our States. And most of you here were all for it (because I am seeing a lot of new folk whom hasn't been involved in previous threads about masks.)

I'm pretty sure none mandated any of that in private homes. Recommendations? Sure. Strong urging? Sure.

But if I'm incorrect and a governor mandated (NOT recommended or urged) how many people and what relation they were to you for Thanksgiving or Christmas totally let me know.

 

[Kae]

How can the State governors tell you who you can and can't have in your home for Thanksgiving and Christmas? They can't, but they did in quite a few of our States. And most of you here were all for it (because I am seeing a lot of new folk whom hasn't been involved in previous threads about masks.)

You have to realize that most of the folks here do not like their relatives & do not enjoy spending time with any of them. And do even get started on how they feel about any in-laws.

 

[winterwhite]

I don’t like most of my relatives. Doesn’t mean I don’t want to see them occasionally.

That said I am mostly tired of the double standard. The prevailing idea that the things that are interesting or useful to me personally should be open but other things should not. My mom operates on this basis - she is high risk, so everyone else should stay home so she personally is safe going out to coffee, sushi, TJMaxx, the pedicure place, etc. After all, why should she have to be a prisoner in her own home? Everyone else should handle that.

I simply don’t agree and we are now almost a year out from “6 weeks to flatten the curve.” Instead we’ve decided it must be eradicated or well on its way to extinction - which I’m sorry to say has little to do with vaccination when discussing a virus like this. It took 18 years to eradicate polio. We still haven’t eradicated varicella- type viruses such as measles. This coronavirus is not going to be zero risk in 6 months or a year or 5 years.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

I'm pretty sure none mandated any of that in private homes. Recommendations? Sure. Strong urging? Sure.

But if I'm incorrect and a governor mandated (NOT recommended or urged) how many people and what relation they were to you for Thanksgiving or Christmas totally let me know.

Michigan had (and still has) epidemic orders mandated by the health dept that restrict gatherings in residences. Back in December we had the following in place for Christmas. Obviously they had no way to enforce this, but it was technically an order:

Indoor gatherings:

1. Are prohibited at residential venues, except where no more than 10 persons from no more than 2 households are gathered. Such gatherings should be held consistent with guidance issued by the Department of Health and Human Services for such gatherings;

These restrictions have now been loosened to I think 15 people from 3 families.

 

[Olaf Myfrenzargay]

No government is ever going to tell me who I can and cannot have in my home. Just like Disney World is private property, so’s my house.

 

[redrosesix]

Michigan had (and still has) epidemic orders mandated by the health dept that restrict gatherings in residences. Back in December we had the following in place for Christmas. Obviously they had no way to enforce this, but it was technically an order:

Indoor gatherings:

1. Are prohibited at residential venues, except where no more than 10 persons from no more than 2 households are gathered. Such gatherings should be held consistent with guidance issued by the Department of Health and Human Services for such gatherings;

These restrictions have now been loosened to I think 15 people from 3 families.

We have rules like this where I live and they are enforced when people are having house parties, usually younger people but there has been the odd case of older people being stupid.

So if a 3 roommates want to have a party, that's fine. If they invite people from another apartment that's fine. But if the door is open and anyone can come in, they shut them down. It makes much more sense than telling people they can't have a party. Same for older people -- if you're going for Sunday dinner and you've got 3 families who often see each other together that's ok. But this is not the time for a family reunion with guests invited from another country.

We have very few cases compared to Texas but for us it's a lot because we were at zero cases for 4 months. Everyone is ok with the lockdown and the masks because we know what zero feels like, and we all want to get back to that.

 

[redrosesix]

No government is ever going to tell me who I can and cannot have in my home. Just like Disney World is private property, so’s my house.

It's really not your home that public health officials are concerned about. It's people having parties, usually young people, where nobody is wearing a mask or even keeping their distance from each other. You get 20 people who are all out working as store clerks and waitresses or going to college, partying and drinking, you're going to have all of them infected by the end of the night and then they're going to spread it to everyone else they know.

 

[motherof5]

My favorite pizza by the slice shop, gone

Hopefully no other businesses close, it really is sad all the mom and pop places that have gone out of business. They will be missed

 

[b2k1121]

Let us all remember that all our government leaders told us the regulations were put in place UNTIL we had sufficient hospital beds, ventilators, and vaccines to combat the virus. It was never supposed to be until the virus was eradicated. All the original reasons have now been met, so now we need to let go and give people back their civil liberties. Is this to say Covid is not dangerous, yes it is. So is smoking, but this is allowed. And if you want to compare deaths, there have literally been Millions die of smoke related deaths, so why is it so hard that we are unable to let people make up their own minds on what precautions they want to undertake when it comes to COVID?

I'm pretty sure the 'weeks to flatten the curve' was about the more extreme restrictions like literally everything closed, everyone stay inside, etc. I don't recall any leader saying 'let's flatten the curve and then it's a free for all!' What civil liberties are you missing out on right now? Sitting in a more crowded restaurant? Not wearing a mask in a private business? At least where I am, everything is open, no one is being told to stay inside, you can travel anywhere you want...you are just asked to wear a mask indoors. What am I missing that is being taken away?

Obviously comparing this to smoking is laughable, almost as silly as the 'people die in car crashes too' argument.

 

[b2k1121]

No government is ever going to tell me who I can and cannot have in my home. Just like Disney World is private property, so’s my house.

Lucky for you that never happened.

 

[1GoldenSun]

Maybe it was mentioned and I missed it, but what does "open 100%" mean? Are they going completely back to pre-Covid normal?

 

[Lumpy1106]

I'm pretty sure the 'weeks to flatten the curve' was about the more extreme restrictions like literally everything closed, everyone stay inside, etc. I don't recall any leader saying 'let's flatten the curve and then it's a free for all!' What civil liberties are you missing out on right now? Sitting in a more crowded restaurant? Not wearing a mask in a private business? At least where I am, everything is open, no one is being told to stay inside, you can travel anywhere you want...you are just asked to wear a mask indoors. What am I missing that is being taken away?

Obviously comparing this to smoking is laughable, almost as silly as the 'people die in car crashes too' argument.

I think this highlights just how "where you are" affects your views on this. In CA, we can't sit in a restaurant AT ALL, kids are not in school AT ALL, kids are not allowed to play sports AT ALL, heck, for a couple of months you couldn't even eat OUTSIDE at a restaurant AT ALL - period, take-out only. Beaches were closed back in July, parks were closed, skate parks were filled with sand, basketball hoops were removed from backboards, it's been very, very dystopian here. We have had to fight every step of the way to get any of these restrictions lifted. All of this while we had among the worst spikes of any state, and no, I don't think it could have gotten any worse if the restrictions had not been in place. You want to debate masks? That is the least of the restrictions we have endured.

 

[winterwhite]

I'm pretty sure the 'weeks to flatten the curve' was about the more extreme restrictions like literally everything closed, everyone stay inside, etc. I don't recall any leader saying 'let's flatten the curve and then it's a free for all!' What civil liberties are you missing out on right now? Sitting in a more crowded restaurant? Not wearing a mask in a private business? At least where I am, everything is open, no one is being told to stay inside, you can travel anywhere you want...you are just asked to wear a mask indoors. What am I missing that is being taken away?

Obviously comparing this to smoking is laughable, almost as silly as the 'people die in car crashes too' argument.

Well, there’s all the children who should be in school but aren’t. There’s all the “nonessential businesses” that still have restricted hours or aren’t permitted to be open (like my personal trainer’s gym). There’s the essential services that aren’t available such as someone who is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers but all the courts are closed. How about that elective medical procedure? Not available in some states right now.

the list goes on. It’s not about restaurants.

 

[MillauFr]

No government is ever going to tell me who I can and cannot have in my home. Just like Disney World is private property, so’s my house.

It isn't the government agencies that are causing most of the problems reducing freedom. It is the HOA run by Napoleons that are the worst. The HOA's should be banned. They are destroying freedom.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Maybe it was mentioned and I missed it, but what does "open 100%" mean? Are they going completely back to pre-Covid normal?

I believe so. My understanding is no masks and no capacity restrictions on anything. Except the Gov's mansion which is not accepting tour reservations

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

Lucky for you that never happened.

It did actually. See my earlier post regarding Michigan’s restrictions on residential gatherings.