Terror in the Skies, Again?

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by OceanAnnie
IMO I see a big disconnect here. If you are not going to discount the threat of Jihad how do you address it?? I think the way to do it is to profile, because of the Jihad. For those that don't think it's PC, that's fine. What would be your answer to the threat? It was an identified group that made the threat. Where is the foul?

As an aside, the 9-11 panel has come out with the holes in information gathering/sharing. I haven't seen the write up of the report yet. I would imagine to have actually done something to prevent the attack, there would have been some level of profiling. If that had happened (the profiling and follow up) then we may not have had a 9-11 at all.

I acknowledge you stated you don't have all the answers. Nor do I. But I do take the Jihad declaration seriously.

All the news accounts about the 9/11 report have indicated repeatedly that the commission believes that the events of that probably count NOT have been prevented. So even if we practiced racial profiling, 9/11 probably would have happened anyway.

As a nation we have the skills & capacity to develop technology that could provide better security -- much better than a plan to pull people aside because of their race or nationality. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this:

Not all terrorists are Middle Eastern and
Not all people of Middle Eastern descent are terrorists.

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by Patty3
A friend is a flight attendant. I relayed this story to her when I first read it. She said that if this happened on her flight, the crew would land the plane at the nearest airport.

So what does this say about this flight and this crew? Either (a) this crew was incredibly inept and decided to endanger the entire flight or (b) there was absolutely nothing of any concern going on during the flight, nothing that indicated any danger to anyone on the flight crew and this tale of terror is just one person's very vivid waking dream.

 

[OceanAnnie]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/18/iraq/main624663.shtml

"...The harshest criticism will be leveled at the FBI and CIA, with the panel citing poor information sharing and intelligence analysis as key factors that allowed the hijackers to carry out their plot . Both Kean and Hamilton have said the attacks conceivably could have been prevented had government officials done their jobs better."

Wonder what information sharing and intelligence analysis they could be talking about??



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/attack/main520055.shtml


"...Also, an agent in Phoenix, Arizona, informed bureau supervisors in Washington of a threat from an unusual number of young Arab men seeking flight training in the United States.

Sen. Arlen Specter, a Republican member of the committee and an author of the report, called the intelligence by field agents a "veritable blueprint of 9/11," the Times said...."

Look, I'll agree to disagree with you.

I never stated all terrorists are Middle Eastern and all people of Middle Eastern descent are terrorists. Nor do I believe it.

I do however believe that those that declared the Jihad are a subset of Middle Easterners. And in my opinion that's where the tracking of terrorists starts. No one knows how large that subset is, and thus the scrunity begins.

Yes, a better system of technology would be wonderful. But until we have it look where the threat lies.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by Eeyore1954
So what does this say about this flight and this crew? Either (a) this crew was incredibly inept and decided to endanger the entire flight or (b) there was absolutely nothing of any concern going on during the flight, nothing that indicated any danger to anyone on the flight crew and this tale of terror is just one person's very vivid waking dream.

Sounds completely logical to me. Either the crew were too dumb to notice the danger, or there was no danger. And if anyone believes the crew could be that dumb, then why on eartth would the fly?

 

[OceanAnnie]

Originally posted by Eeyore1954
So what does this say about this flight and this crew? Either (a) this crew was incredibly inept and decided to endanger the entire flight or (b) there was absolutely nothing of any concern going on during the flight, nothing that indicated any danger to anyone on the flight crew and this tale of terror is just one person's very vivid waking dream.

It says they would be prudent to me.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by OceanAnnie
It says they would be prudent to me.

Hunh?????

Since the crew did nothing, either

1 they saw nothing that concerned them, or

2 they crew is incompetent and failed to notice suspicious behavior.

I am confused as to exactly how you think they are being prudent.

 

[OceanAnnie]

You aren't following. I was responding to another post, by Patty3 about her friend being a flight attendant.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by Eeyore1954
So what does this say about this flight and this crew? Either (a) this crew was incredibly inept and decided to endanger the entire flight or (b) there was absolutely nothing of any concern going on during the flight, nothing that indicated any danger to anyone on the flight crew and this tale of terror is just one person's very vivid waking dream.
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OceanAnnie responded: It says they would be prudent to me.




Actually, you specifically quoted Eeyore 1954, and then responded. No matter how closely I was following, how could I be expectd to jump to the conclusion you were responding to a completely different poster? Indeed, how could anyone? It seems obvious to me that Eeyore is referring to the flight in the original post.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Look. I quoted the same thing you did. Responded to the same quote you did. It's logical it was in response to the quote of Patty3.

Just because you don't understand what I wrote doesn't mean no one else would or did.

Do you have a problem? Or what?

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
So what does this say about this flight and this crew? Either (a) this crew was incredibly inept and decided to endanger the entire flight or (b) there was absolutely nothing of any concern going on during the flight, nothing that indicated any danger to anyone on the flight crew and this tale of terror is just one person's very vivid waking dream.
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OceanAnnie responded: It says they would be prudent to me.




Actually, you specifically quoted Eeyore 1954, and then responded. No matter how closely I was following, how could I be expectd to jump to the conclusion you were responding to a completely different poster? Indeed, how could anyone?

Color me completely lost because I missed this train of thought, also!

Just to clarify... my post about "So what does this say about this flight and crew" referred to Ms. Jacobsen's flight and crew -- the one where she had the "terror in the skies" incidents. THAT crew did not land the flight at some other airport, but continued onto land -- quite safely -- at LAX.

So, either THAT crew was incredibly inept and placed a planeload of passengers at terrible risk OR there was no perceived danger by the flight crew which supports my contention that Ms. Jacobsen is just a bit too paranoid to be flying.

 

[faithinkarma]

Thanks Steve, I thought I had read it correctly. What a huge relief to learn I do not have to go away and work on "my problem".

 

[OceanAnnie]

Originally posted by Patty3
A friend is a flight attendant. I relayed this story to her when I first read it. She said that if this happened on her flight, the crew would land the plane at the nearest airport.

Originally posted by Eeyore1954
So what does this say about this flight and this crew? Either (a) this crew was incredibly inept and decided to endanger the entire flight or (b) there was absolutely nothing of any concern going on during the flight, nothing that indicated any danger to anyone on the flight crew and this tale of terror is just one person's very vivid waking dream.

This is the post I was responding to. For goodness sakes. Steve if you were responding to Ms. Jacoben's flight it sure didn't look like it from this post.

I read it as though you were responding to Patty3's friend the flight attendant's response. That isn't what you meant??

edited to add- You had Patty3's post highlighted in your response...

 

[OceanAnnie]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Thanks Steve, I thought I had read it correctly. What a huge relief to learn I do not have to go away and work on "my problem".

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by OceanAnnie
This is the post I was responding to. For goodness sakes. Steve if you were responding to Ms. Jacoben's flight it sure didn't look like it from this post.

I read it as though you were responding to Patty3's friend the flight attendant's response. That isn't what you meant??

edited to add- You had Patty3's post highlighted in your response...

I thought I clarified this above. My post about "So what does this say about this flight and crew" referred to Ms. Jacobsen's flight and crew -- the one where she had the "terror in the skies" incidents. THAT crew did not land the flight at some other airport, but continued onto land -- quite safely -- at LAX.

You talked about a flight attendant friend who told you in similar circumstances she/her flight crew would land the plane at the closest airport.

This left me asking the question: what does that say about Ms. Jacobsen's flight crew? If they observed the exact same events Ms. Jacobsen described in her articles and TV interviews, then I am left with only 2 conclusions:

(A) Ms. Jacobsen's flight crew was inept, or untrained, or incompetent for not landing the plane at the nearest airport

OR

(B) They saw absolutely nothing dangerous or threatening to the plane, the crew or the passengers in the Syrian musician's behavior.

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Thanks Steve, I thought I had read it correctly. What a huge relief to learn I do not have to go away and work on "my problem".

FIK, as long as I've known you on the DISBoards, I've never known you to have a "problem."

Now, if we could just do a slight adjustment on those political persuasions... (just kidding, you know!)

 

[Patty3]

I spoke to my friend today who is a flight attendant about this whole story. Since she had been on leave and just returned she previously gave me her initial reaction. Her opinion was that if this happened on her flight, the crew would demand the cpt to land the plane at the nearest airport. Well, she told me that an email came out from her carrier and this incident among others were on the email. The story is true and she definitely feels that the crew did not do the right thing. She has talked to several pilots and they all said that they would have landed ASAP. She also said that flights are being tested, and one of the ways is to create a commotion to try and get the Air Marshalls to react to flush them out so that more information can be gathered as to their placement on the plane, etc. I am not bringing this up to start a debate again, but to just let you know what she told me. Do not kill the messenger, I just wanted to make you aware of my findings.

 

[Goobergal99]

Heres my two cents on this topic.. Ok first of all I do agree that much of these responses are being made by the type of people who walk across the street when they see a black person coming towards them, and make comments such as "thats just the way those type of people live" believe me living in a majority white area of a major city has abled me to meet plenty of those church going hypocritical racists so I know one when I see one (or in this case read ones narrow minded opinion) However in reference to the original article, the behavior was absolutely suspicious and I would have been scared as well. However if I felt uneasy as I boarded the plane with my own five yearold child in hand I would have exited before takeoff. Not because they were of middle eastern decent but because i had my fiveyearold and suspicous behavior was taking place.

 

[mcnuss]

I could not bring myself to read all the posts on this thread, but in case it has not already been mentioned, snopes has determined this to be false.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp

 

[*Flower*]

I was really frustrated by the article.

What CAN we do?????