Terror Concerns on England/France Trip

One of the reasons I like going overseas with ABD is the fact that I do believe they will look after our safety. It's their number one priority for their adventurers. So while nobody can predict everything, I'd say that going with ABD (or one or two of the other upper end travel companies) is about as safe as it gets.
 
If you look up US travel advisories, it gives you the listings of all countries that have warnings for its citizens. Neither France nor England are on that list.
 
One of the reasons I like going overseas with ABD is the fact that I do believe they will look after our safety. It's their number one priority for their adventurers. So while nobody can predict everything, I'd say that going with ABD (or one or two of the other upper end travel companies) is about as safe as it gets.

I understand your point -but I don't think there is any more safety in a group of 20 than with a group of 2 ... Even with someone watching for your safety, you can't predict the unpredictable. For safety, I travel with my wife ....need I say more? ;)
 
Terror plots are thwarted every day in most metropolitan cities these days, whether they are in Europe or North America. In fact one of the things that drives me crazy when traveling to the US is sitting in the Orlando Airport and listening to the threat level announcement every 2 minutes.

The only time we have cancelled a trip due to a security concern on our part, was the first year ABD offered the Egypt trip. We booked it as soon as it became available but before our trip ever happened we had the Arab Spring happen. We didn't wait for Disney to cancel our trip, we cancelled it ourselves.

We are booked to go to Central Europe next September (Prague, Germany and Austria) and while there is some concern with the number of "refugees" fleeing into Austria, I'm not too worried. I know people who travel back and forth the Hungary, the hardest hit country, and they haven't had any issues. I'm travelling with Disney so I know I'll be well taken care of, but I also don't leave my street smarts behind, as is so often the case with people. I live in huge city, the largest in Canada, and I'm always aware of what's going on around me, even if I don't look like I am. I keep this mentality when travelling, even if I'm just travelling to Disney World.

Be aware of your surroundings, be alert to what's going on and you'll be fine.
 
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DH just got back from a work trip that flew into Heathrow, out of Frankfurt. No issues whatsoever. He did have a lively discussion in Germany with his Turkish cab driver about the refugee situation, but at no time did he feel threatened. He travels to Europe monthly for work and generally only has problems in US airports.

I agree with Woodview. Turn off your news. Especially if it's from a certain station that rhymes with "socks." Remember in January, they faced legal action for completely making up a story about "no go zones" in Paris.
 
My cousin just returned from the UK and told me how hard it was getting OUT and the travel delays etc. and urged me to go elsewhere...

Not making lite of a serious concern, but those travel delays could be at most USA major airports. If you were to fly in the NY area, or ever try to get out of Orlando (through security) your cousin might have the same concerns here. Educate yourself, read up, have a safety plan and do what you think is right for you.
 
Also, as for the slum-like pictures of France, you can get pictures of an economically depressed area from pretty much any town on earth. Even my robust, healthy, thriving little town has an area where the houses are not in good shape, the yards are overgrown, etc. Start looking around a big city, and you'll see plenty. That doesn't mean there is an overwhelming amount of poverty, or that it is unsafe.

And travel with ABD I think would be inherently safer than on your own for an inexperienced traveler if only because you will be very unlikely to end up in a situation that less safe (wrong neighborhood, etc.)

As for the level of terror threats, I'm in agreement with everyone else. France and England are not particularly high. I'd be a lot more worried about traveling to other parts of the world.
 
There are now over 130,000 refugees on the move towards Germany.

So tempers will flare up & violence will happen .
 
I did the London/Paris trip last June. ( not Disney, no tour, on my own) No problems. Flew into Heathrow and everything went smooth, took the Chunnel to Paris, all was good. Flew home from Charles De Gaulle which has to be the most insane crazy airport I was in. There was a demonstration going on inside the airport. Very noisy. Not sure what they were protesting. But when they say to get there 3 hours before your flight out of CDG , they know what they are talking about! Took the whole three hours to get through luggage check and security.

Have a great time! I am ready to go back!
 
There are now over 130,000 refugees on the move towards Germany.

So tempers will flare up & violence will happen .

Just got back from a three week trip in Europe last Monday, including a week in Munich which had HUGE numbers of refugees at the main station and around town - around 12,000 had arrived just that Saturday alone! On the 13th emergency border controls were hastily put into place and we crossed on the 15th. 0 issues and if we hadn't known something was going on, we might have just wondered what was up with the tents and kept walking. Officials were meeting the trains from border countries and dealing with everyone very compassionately and efficiently. Police presence was there and I applaud Germany for their handling of a terrible situation. So when you say that violence WILL happen, what are you basing this on? If the culture clash of thousands of drunken tourists there for Oktoberfest and the refugees who had just barely escaped from the worst ravenges of war weren't enough for some sparks then what do you envision happening?

We flew into Heathrow with zero issues, took a train into Scotland with zero issues, flew to the Republic of Ireland with zero issues, flew into Zurich with zero issues and trained through Switzerland a bit with zero issues and then boarded a bus from Zurich to Munich. At one point a police car pulled us over and hopped on - they were stopping busses at the border to Germany. They checked all our passports, tipped their hats and we were on our way. In 21 days that was the ONLY thing out of the ordinary for us as travelers. We never at any point felt unsafe though I admit I was 'on guard' with looking for trouble with the masses of refugees in Munich - all for naught. We zipped on the trains around town and went to Fussen and Bamberg where it was the same - no issues. :) There were no delays flying from Frankfurt back to the good ol' USA either. Go and have a blast!
 
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Just as I was starting a Disney vacation fund for 2017 May for DD's trip....I know that is a way off yet but the booking would need to be done in May. I hope ABD does and England/? some other country....Paris has had me uneasy for a while, which is why I started this thread in the first place and now based on the awful events of yesterday....I guess my concerns weren't so far fetched
 
We got home from two weeks in Paris 14 days ago.

Any of us could have been in those random locations.

Im all for being cautious, but I can't let fear rule my life. If I were to do that, I wouldn't go anywhere.

I can't tell you what's right for you, but if given the chance, I'd go back to Paris again any chance I could.
 
We got home from two weeks in Paris 14 days ago.

Any of us could have been in those random locations.

Im all for being cautious, but I can't let fear rule my life. If I were to do that, I wouldn't go anywhere.

I can't tell you what's right for you, but if given the chance, I'd go back to Paris again any chance I could.

Without question. In fact, I might want to get back there even more now....
 
Do we stop visiting .... New York ..... No

Do we stop visiting ........ Boston .......No.

Do you stop driving your car ..... in case the car in front / beside you is being driven by a stranger .....No.

Life will go on
 
First of all, thoughts and prayers to the people of France and especially those who lost loved ones. I think it is more complex than either of the two polar positions (absolutely go or no way I'm going). I think every family's situation and decision making differs, and I honestly believe you need to do what is in the best interest of your family. For us, our 13 y/o son is supposed to go to Paris and France for a French immersion tour during April vacation. My first inclination was to have him continue to go, however, he came to us and said he's not sure he wants to go. He said this is 2 terrorist attacks in less than a year. He asked what is France going to do differently. We are going to let some time pass, and re-assess. Perhaps as more information comes out, the sting will lessen.

In terms of referencing Boston and New York, I can speak to Boston as we've lived here all of our lives. When put in absolutes, did people stop going to Boston, the obvious answer is no, of course they did not stop coming to Boston. However, after attending over 20 marathons as a spectator, what I can say is that there were not as many along the marathon route, and the overall experience is in fact very different (better in some ways, worse in others). Can bad things happen anywhere in the world? Yes, absolutely. I've travelled to over 40 countries on business. I've spent considerable time in the Mideast and Israel. That doesn't necessarily mean I want to go there during turbulent times (either on business where I have a ton of resources at my disposal or on vacation). I guess this is a long winded way of saying I think people have to make decisions based on what is best for their family, and whatever that decision is, I respect it.
 
Thanks Woodview. I happened to be in Bangkok in August staying at the Grand Hyatt when the bomb went off at the Erawan Shrine (the GH was less than a block away from the explosion). I was fortunate to be able to fly out the next morning, but the tension and chaos was palpable. So, I can appreciate the difficulty of the decision.

On a positive note, I did just get back a couple of weeks ago from one of my favorite cities (Cork) where I believe you are from.
 













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