Tensions rise at Disney Reservations Center!!!

I still say it's a management problem. If Disney would alter their online booking to include a place to enter codes (AAA, AP, PIN numbers, etc.... - like just about everyother hotel chain in America) we would all book online, wouldn't call nearly as much and the reservations would be RIGHT.
But, I think, greed keeps them from doing that - they don't want the general public to know that there ever are discounted rates available.
 
I think it would be nice to be able to check on my ps too. I'd like to check numbers and don't feel like I should call into dining. I understand that booking ps online might cause a problem, but checking them would be nice.
 
Puffy2 said:
I still say it's a management problem. If Disney would alter their online booking to include a place to enter codes (AAA, AP, PIN numbers, etc.... - like just about everyother hotel chain in America) we would all book online, wouldn't call nearly as much and the reservations would be RIGHT.
But, I think, greed keeps them from doing that - they don't want the general public to know that there ever are discounted rates available.
I think there is also a programming issue - I have read many threads about how inconsistent the current online systems are vs. what can or cannot happen via phone and how they almost never match.

If they cannot even get this much to work, I don't have high hopes for them to be able to program all of the discounted rates into the online system.
 
4boyz4me said:
Solution: Use Small World Travel or Dreams Unlimited. They're a joy to work with. They'll get you the best deals without the hassles. I deal with Jodie at Small World, we do everything via email-no waiting on hold. I think she works out of her house and is just a gem.

I tried going through DU and wasn't very happy. The TA was pretty slow about getting back to me to answer my questions, then when she did she didn't answer all of them.

I ended up booking through my local AAA office. Worked out really well!

FWIW, every time I've called for PS's, I've gotten great service. At the worst, the CM was merely polite and at the best, the CM was practically my best friend. No complaints here! :love:
 

Marseeya said:
FWIW, every time I've called for PS's, I've gotten great service. At the worst, the CM was merely polite and at the best, the CM was practically my best friend. No complaints here! :love:

I agree, I have had pretty good luck in booking my PS, maybe it is such a system that does not change often or whatever, but they always seem to know what they are talking about.
 
Please let me preface this by stating I have worked in customer service in call center environments for over 12 years. I have been recognized numerous times (and by the highest levels of senior management) at each of the 4 companies where I have been employed for outstanding productivity and customer service and have been promoted 'up the food chain' several times. I have been lucky to work for corporations with names like Travelers, The Hartford, Service Merchandise and United Healthcare. My postions (except for Service Merchandise) have been considered 'professional' and have required advanced degrees and/or licensure from the state I live in. Be that as it may, I still work serving the public over the phone. Ergo, it's a call center.


Call centers can be the sweatshops of our age or they can be a dynamic and fast paced environment that offers alot of experience and growth to its' employees. Doesnt matter what product you are servicing - depends on a mix of the quality of phone reps and the quality of management which side of that fence your place of employment falls under. For someone working in a large inbound call center a day might look like this.

You arrive at work and clock in. You work in a large room that contains rows and rows and rows of cubicles. No one has an office here, except for the most senior managers so there is a constant level of noise, not unlike a beehive. You may or may not have your own desk. If you dont have your own desk you have to find an open cubicle and log in to your phone with a series of codes that identifies you to the automatic call distribution system. You have to do this so you are counted as being at work on time in most cases. If your company does not use a time clock they will use you phone log in as your 'clock-in' to show you are at work as scheduled. You then log into your computer with another series of passwords. Login into your system can take from 5 - 10 minutes. This is not a reflection of the skill of the rep, it's due to the number of systems that have to run simultaneously on your desktop as you work. While this all happens you are 'on the clock'. The automatic call distribution system is watching to see how long it takes to get you on the phone taking live calls. Most call centers have restrictions on how long you can put a customer on hold, how long you can finish up work after the caller has hung up and even how long you can spend talking to a customer. Your performance is reviewed every day and you are advised of your performance every day. Slip below productivity levels and you may go on warning. Additionally, you are expected to take a certain number of calls each day. In a complex environment like mine that's at least 40 calls a day. These are in depth insurance and clinical calls. At a call center like Disney where reps are expected to turn around calls quickly that could be at least 15 an hour in my estimation. Easy, right? Possibly, provided all of the programs you use to do your job are running correctly. Provided your company was able to train you adequately to do the job you were hired for. Provided the computer you are provided with has enough memory to run the numerous programs that you use to do your job. Provided you have been able to take a break in the past 2 hours to stop talking to people for just a second and go to the bathroom, just so you can stop hearing the sound of your own voice. On your phone there is a light that flashes constantly if the center has calls in que. There may also be flashing lights on the walls or columns that hold up the ceilings in these vast call-center rooms that only heighten the anxiety you feel around you knowing that you have more people holding to talk to you. You also know that the longer those people hold, you will take to brunt of their frustration. People can be a total joy to assist but they can also be complete ogres. Customers tend to personalize everything about your company and place that personalization squarely on your shoulders. 'You' have raised their premium, 'you' havent authorized their treatment, 'you' havent sent them a postcard or have a pin for them, 'you' are keeping their precious angel from attending breakfast at a desired eatery. It happens more often than not and that kind of interraction is like drops of water on even the hardest granite. No matter how experienced you are, how much of a customer service guru you are....that wears you down. You have to toggle between several different computer programs that rarely interface with each other (that would require too much 'tech innovation' and is outside of the company's budget). You have to be taught 'work arounds' in order to make these systems work for you. You are in an environment where you are pushed harder and harder to do your job with a brave face and your co-workers keep reminding you of how bad it is. Everywhere you go at work your co-workers share 'war-stories' of how bad it's getting, how the call volume is just out of control. People are actively looking for other work and discuss it openly, they may call in sick for 'mental health days' more often which drops staffing levels and means even more calls waiting for you. You took this job because it seemed better than waiting tables or cleaning hotel rooms or flipping burgers or any of those other service -industry jobs no one wants to do but we all expect to still be done at the most premium level of service. Maybe you are working your way through school, maybe you never finished school because you got married and had kids right away, maybe you are retired and need a little extra income, maybe you are working part time during the day so you can be at home with your children by the time they get home from school, maybe this is your first job ever. Most people want to do a good job. Sure, there are also people who also just show up and collect their paycheck (that attitude is not exclusive to 'low-level' or 'entry-level' workers. I see physicians with that attitude every day).

Imagine being a manager who still has a sense of what the reality of a customer service rep's job is like. You recieve mandates regularly from someone, possibly in another location and with no insight into what happens in your call center. You must increase productivity. You must find a way, without raising salaries and while cutting benefits (if you offer any benefts), to retain more staff because your operating costs skyrocket when you bring in new hires. No, sorry, your call center wont be upgrading your computers this year because our tech initiatives have been cut and what's available is going to other areas of the company that have more visibility to the public. No, sorry, no more team leaders to directly supervise the customer service reps - you will have to get more done with less.

Maybe you are a senior manager who realizes you should have more of a web presence to shift some of these call center calls to a website. Of course there is no money to develop or expand your web presence because that takes money and there is no budget for that. The company has to keep it's earnings up so the stockholders are happy. That is the CEO's primary focus. He wants to make sure he is earning his impressive compansation package the board of directors votes on every year.

My intent is not to lecture or scold and please dont infer as such: I am attempting to illustrate. I agree that there is never an excuse for rudeness and have no problem politely asking for a manager when that occurs. However, if the CSR is having problems with their system, appears to not be entirely sure of how to do something for you or doesnt sound like they are about to implode with excitement over your trip to Donald's Breakfastasaurus, lighten up. Offer your own patience if they are struggling with a computer problem. Consider what I have just written about what it is like to do this job and then put yourself in their shoes.

Just a quick word on Dreams Unlimited: I have used Cathy M for our current trip and she is fabulous. Every time I send her an email with a question I get a response within the hour. If you are looking for a DU rep I strongly recommend using her. :earsboy:
 
Hmmm I suppose I'll chime in..

I worked for over 15 years in call centers - all of them in the travel industry. First for a major airline - then for a large travel agency that primarily services the government and military.

I'd like to address the concept of the technology. I have no idea what Disney's technology it - but I can tell you just "moving everything to online" is not the simple task that it sounds. Yes - there are hotel chains out there that have the seemingly capability - but Disney's back end may be much more complex. Just recently Disney rolled out a new "online" booking engine - and I suspect it's a move to start moving toward a more robust booking environment. It makes perfect sense that they would roll the basic booking engine first and work toward allowing codes, etc.

While these things always sound so very simple - it may not be... they may have had a "back end" that was not compatible with newer programming languages. Disney would want to maintain that information without having to redo every bit of it.

As to the work environment of call centers - it's a two edged sword - when I read the original post - then subsequent complaints about long hold times, etc. It makes sense to me.... they are having difficulties retaining people (like any call center) the greater the turn over - the greater number of people you have in the "learning curve" .. the more new hires you have the longer the hold times. Just when things calm down - a center will lose a bunch of people because company XYZ down the street comes in and offers .50 - 1.00 an hour more. It's a never ending cycle.

Agents complain because they can't take potty breaks or get a drink of water - but I've worked in management in a center of 1000 people - and have had to run around the building asking people if they're on a break because we didn't have ANYONE on the phones in a certain department. Or at the smaller center we had a girl that had a note from her doctor saying she'd need to take frequent bathroom breaks... and everytime you turned around she was walking by my office (no where NEAR the bathroom).. I looked at her phone stats - and lo and behold her "on phone" time AVERAGED 4 hours a day... she was being paid for 8. I'm sorry - it's not fair to the other folks who worked their 8 hours signed into the phones - but this girl managed to get paid full time hours (and benefits) for part time work. Believe me - this is just ONE of the instances ... YES there are LOTS of agents out there who are doing a GREAT job... and even MORE that are doing an acceptable job - unfortunately management ends up wasting their time on the ones wandering around - or hanging up on people.

WHEW - got that one off my chest.. hahaha

Yes - there are stinkers in management too (I've got TONS of stories about poor management.. laugh) -but it's definately a two way street... I don't care where they're working - whether it's at Disney - or collections in a credit card company... call center work is tedious.. both from the "on phone" perspective - and the management perspective.
 
I worked in a call center for a couple of months - my whole group ended up getting laid off because nobody was buying Windows 2000, but that's another story. Jezaduck24's long post seems pretty accurate, based on my very limited experience.

So, go easy on these people. They're just trying to earn a living and chances are about 99% that whatever your problems are - are not their fault.
 
Gymbomom said:
I don't even pretend to know what goes on in call centers. Does that mean I am not allowed to have an opinion on the customer service I receive?? Or you think my expectations are too high?? LOL I do know that I would like a reasonable amount of customer service whe I call CRO. I would like to know that they respect me and know my time is valuable. I don't have a problem waiting for an understandable length of time, but NO there is no excuse to leave someone on hold for 30+ minutes and never check back with them...a simple I am still checking, sorry about the wait would have been nice. I think I already posted this in this thread. I have had CM's "check" resorts with me on the phone with them.
I am a laid back kind of person, but I homeschool, work out, cook dinner, play with my kids, etc. I hate time that detracts from those things and goes to something wasted. Again, not an understandable length of time....just the ones like I mentioned before or spending so much time keying info to not only have to verbally repeat it again.
Then so many hotel companies have gone to great systems on booking on the internet, with even better rates available online...why is Disney so behind the "pack" on this?
Just like with my pizza, I order online instead of calling and have never had a messed up order again. LOL
Will CRO long holds, potentially messed up ressies, and wrong facts keep me from calling??? Nope, but I sure can "gripe" about it and ask them to PLEASE update, fix, or change their system.

Does that mean I am not allowed to have an opinion on the customer service I receive??

Of course not, your opinion, the customer's, is the most important one.

..but NO there is no excuse to leave someone on hold for 30+ minutes and never check back with them

Agreed. It can take 30 minutes to get answers some times, but the rep. should always check in with the customer.

Why is Disney so behind the "pack" on this?

My guess is because they are the "only game in town". They have no competition and there is no product that come close to matching. IMHO, because of this, they pay their staff just enough and give pay raises only when they have to. That's the impression one's left with when pending strikes seem to occur frequently. Again, IMHO,competition definitely breeds a better environment .

My comments to you weren't meant to incite you in a negative way, I just was attempting to speak for the other side. I appreciate the honest discourse! :teeth:
 
In regards to booking online with codes,can you just imagine the system crashes with the volume of calls they receive the first 2 days AP and Fl resident rate codes are released?
From recent experience with my high school senior daughter,the day SAT scores are available on the web you cannot even access the site from the middle of the night when it first becomes available until about 4 PM that afternoon. I am sure it would be virtually impossible to book a room with a code on one of those first two days. Even through CRO there were many computer errors and incorrect reservations processed on those days.
 
AMEN.

I have a friend who works at the CRC in Orlando. Their call volume was thru the roof on the days that these rates were released.

To the person who called their agent a Moron... I'm sure that you're the brightest crayon in the box. Please understand that there were probably system challenges that were pre-empting her from helping you. Yes, she should have come back a few times during your wait, but something might have happened.

To the persons above with call center experience, you're spot on with the "insider information" regarding those businesses.

Did you know that until last weekend these CRC agents were working 15 hours of MANDATORY overtime? Previous to this, during their peak booking sessions, they were at 20 hours of MANDATORY ot. Yes, folks, one day off a week, just to do normal every day things.

Imagine that every call you'd gotten was looking for a discount or didn't want to give you the information that you need to do the job (Cus that's what they're REQUIRED to do, they HAVE to information mine), wouldyou be happy and cheerful? What about the times your computer crashes because they're "updating" behind the scenes? It's as frustrating for the agent as it is for you.

Disney's a "decent" employer according to my friend. They give 6 days a year sick time, sound's reasonable? Think about being in a cubicle farm, where air is recirculated, and your immune system is broken down due to the Over time you're working. Those 6 days run out quickly.

Vacation, insurance, 401-k ... yeah they offer these and breaks and lunches too, but the wage is far from a living wage.

If you have a great experience, Ask to speak to the compliment line, it will make their day and let them know they're doing a great job. Likewise if you've had a bad expereince, ask to speak to someone... Or contact the guest communications address on the website.

Please, above all things, remember that you are talking to a person, who is TRYING to help you (most of the time) Be kind... it's the LEAST you can do.
 
jezaduck24 said:
Please let me preface this by stating I have worked in customer service in call center environments for over 12 years. I have been recognized numerous times (and by the highest levels of senior management) at each of the 4 companies where I have been employed for outstanding productivity and customer service and have been promoted 'up the food chain' several times. I have been lucky to work for corporations with names like Travelers, The Hartford, Service Merchandise and United Healthcare. My postions (except for Service Merchandise) have been considered 'professional' and have required advanced degrees and/or licensure from the state I live in. Be that as it may, I still work serving the public over the phone. Ergo, it's a call center.


Call centers can be the sweatshops of our age or they can be a dynamic and fast paced environment that offers alot of experience and growth to its' employees. Doesnt matter what product you are servicing - depends on a mix of the quality of phone reps and the quality of management which side of that fence your place of employment falls under. For someone working in a large inbound call center a day might look like this.

You arrive at work and clock in. You work in a large room that contains rows and rows and rows of cubicles. No one has an office here, except for the most senior managers so there is a constant level of noise, not unlike a beehive. You may or may not have your own desk. If you dont have your own desk you have to find an open cubicle and log in to your phone with a series of codes that identifies you to the automatic call distribution system. You have to do this so you are counted as being at work on time in most cases. If your company does not use a time clock they will use you phone log in as your 'clock-in' to show you are at work as scheduled. You then log into your computer with another series of passwords. Login into your system can take from 5 - 10 minutes. This is not a reflection of the skill of the rep, it's due to the number of systems that have to run simultaneously on your desktop as you work. While this all happens you are 'on the clock'. The automatic call distribution system is watching to see how long it takes to get you on the phone taking live calls. Most call centers have restrictions on how long you can put a customer on hold, how long you can finish up work after the caller has hung up and even how long you can spend talking to a customer. Your performance is reviewed every day and you are advised of your performance every day. Slip below productivity levels and you may go on warning. Additionally, you are expected to take a certain number of calls each day. In a complex environment like mine that's at least 40 calls a day. These are in depth insurance and clinical calls. At a call center like Disney where reps are expected to turn around calls quickly that could be at least 15 an hour in my estimation. Easy, right? Possibly, provided all of the programs you use to do your job are running correctly. Provided your company was able to train you adequately to do the job you were hired for. Provided the computer you are provided with has enough memory to run the numerous programs that you use to do your job. Provided you have been able to take a break in the past 2 hours to stop talking to people for just a second and go to the bathroom, just so you can stop hearing the sound of your own voice. On your phone there is a light that flashes constantly if the center has calls in que. There may also be flashing lights on the walls or columns that hold up the ceilings in these vast call-center rooms that only heighten the anxiety you feel around you knowing that you have more people holding to talk to you. You also know that the longer those people hold, you will take to brunt of their frustration. People can be a total joy to assist but they can also be complete ogres. Customers tend to personalize everything about your company and place that personalization squarely on your shoulders. 'You' have raised their premium, 'you' havent authorized their treatment, 'you' havent sent them a postcard or have a pin for them, 'you' are keeping their precious angel from attending breakfast at a desired eatery. It happens more often than not and that kind of interraction is like drops of water on even the hardest granite. No matter how experienced you are, how much of a customer service guru you are....that wears you down. You have to toggle between several different computer programs that rarely interface with each other (that would require too much 'tech innovation' and is outside of the company's budget). You have to be taught 'work arounds' in order to make these systems work for you. You are in an environment where you are pushed harder and harder to do your job with a brave face and your co-workers keep reminding you of how bad it is. Everywhere you go at work your co-workers share 'war-stories' of how bad it's getting, how the call volume is just out of control. People are actively looking for other work and discuss it openly, they may call in sick for 'mental health days' more often which drops staffing levels and means even more calls waiting for you. You took this job because it seemed better than waiting tables or cleaning hotel rooms or flipping burgers or any of those other service -industry jobs no one wants to do but we all expect to still be done at the most premium level of service. Maybe you are working your way through school, maybe you never finished school because you got married and had kids right away, maybe you are retired and need a little extra income, maybe you are working part time during the day so you can be at home with your children by the time they get home from school, maybe this is your first job ever. Most people want to do a good job. Sure, there are also people who also just show up and collect their paycheck (that attitude is not exclusive to 'low-level' or 'entry-level' workers. I see physicians with that attitude every day).

Imagine being a manager who still has a sense of what the reality of a customer service rep's job is like. You recieve mandates regularly from someone, possibly in another location and with no insight into what happens in your call center. You must increase productivity. You must find a way, without raising salaries and while cutting benefits (if you offer any benefts), to retain more staff because your operating costs skyrocket when you bring in new hires. No, sorry, your call center wont be upgrading your computers this year because our tech initiatives have been cut and what's available is going to other areas of the company that have more visibility to the public. No, sorry, no more team leaders to directly supervise the customer service reps - you will have to get more done with less.

Maybe you are a senior manager who realizes you should have more of a web presence to shift some of these call center calls to a website. Of course there is no money to develop or expand your web presence because that takes money and there is no budget for that. The company has to keep it's earnings up so the stockholders are happy. That is the CEO's primary focus. He wants to make sure he is earning his impressive compansation package the board of directors votes on every year.

My intent is not to lecture or scold and please dont infer as such: I am attempting to illustrate. I agree that there is never an excuse for rudeness and have no problem politely asking for a manager when that occurs. However, if the CSR is having problems with their system, appears to not be entirely sure of how to do something for you or doesnt sound like they are about to implode with excitement over your trip to Donald's Breakfastasaurus, lighten up. Offer your own patience if they are struggling with a computer problem. Consider what I have just written about what it is like to do this job and then put yourself in their shoes.

Just a quick word on Dreams Unlimited: I have used Cathy M for our current trip and she is fabulous. Every time I send her an email with a question I get a response within the hour. If you are looking for a DU rep I strongly recommend using her. :earsboy:

I'd be in a rubber room after only one hour of that :(
I couldn't even cope with not having my own desk!
 
I don't know -- after reading that "other" thread where cancellations are automatically made -- and this one where guests want a MORE automated system... :crazy: :confused3
Be careful what you wish for. You may get it. :rotfl:
I can see both sides of the fence. I feel for the frustration between guests and CMs.

Just my thought that part of the overall problems are created by having a res system that CAN be manipulated. We have read this time and time again.
IF they system ONLY allowed certains functions and options, many issues would be the thing of the past.
 
I would agree that service is inconsistent at best. When I made our original ressies, I was on the phone with CRO for an hour and 40 minutes and when I received our confirmation, they were TOTALLY screwed up. I called back to correct them, and again, they were incorrect. My ressies weren't complicated or unusual either.

So I finally called again and got a very knowledgeable CRO who suggested that we cancel my other ressie and start over. Now they're finally correct.

As a business owner and a consumer, I find the level of competence that I've experienced so far to be disappointing at best. Any business owner can tell you that the company is only as strong as its weakest link. Unfortunately, the CROs that are less knowedgeable and treat customers with a lack of respect, represent Disney and do the company a great disservice.

However, I have read many, many threads that extole the great customer service, etc, that people have received.

It would seem obvious to me that not only do they need to institute better training programs, but they also need to perhaps create better incentive/appreciation programs to attract and keep higher quality employees. I find it hard to believe that employees aren't able to sign out to get a drink or take a breather (within reason). But if that's the case, then shame on Disney!


Excellent post. Most corporate managers just don't get it. They've been in a beauracracy so long they lack common sense enough to understand the long term benefits of quality service to the customer and forging long term beneficial relationships with employees so that everyone "wins". Instead they tend to be "one size fits all" in their approach and something gets lost along the way.

One reason Disney has this attitude though is that like all short sighted fools, as long as "mediocre" is good enough to keep the resorts and parks full in good times, they will stick with it. Only when a recession happens and things get bad do they even consider trying to improve quality.

Just look at this board. There is a lot of great Disney customer service, but you can tell it isn't a total priority, yet we still are here struggling to find open rooms on the dates we want. Till that changes (going elsewhere or staying home) they probably won't fix the problems.

I enjoy going to WDW, but I never pay rack rate, I often go as a day trip (2.25 hour drive each way), pay only for a seasonal pass or FL resident rate, and when I do stay onsite I get a good value. I feel I'm getting my money's worth. But had I been paying $5,000 for a week's vacation in a $400/night room, standing in lines because they won't open more cash registers, etc, I would not be so happy about it.

I'm going this January, but only to take a niece. The other parks are more hungry for the business and the value is better I think.
 
This would explain why calls to CRO are less than magical these days. Every call used to be wonderful - not anymore. :(
 
I have always spoked with great CM's when I called asking for a change or to make dinner ressies but I gotta admit I spoke with a really rude one last week- I shrugged it off though because maybe she is over worked and was having a non-magical day. Hopefully things will get better for them.
 
Unions are no longer needed in todays world.

gone are the days of 14 hour work days and 5 year old children working the line.

unions now only cater to the status quo, giving no incentive to go above and beyond.

"my union contract gives me 5 paid sick days a year. I am taking off the week of christmas because I never get sick"

The above is the mentallity todays union fosters.

:lmao: As someone who still works 14+ hour days after 20 years with a company who's management can get multi-million dollar bonus's with our pay cuts I disagree that unions are no longer needed. Believe me if it wasn't for our union and contract I would be working for much less and working even more. They don't seem to care about morale at all and apparently this is a growing trend in today's business world. Well our concession contract is up very soon and we will have our say and believe me we can't wait!!! I don't forsee them getting the "picture" anytime soon until maybe we are walking the picket line. By the way I will probably be working Christmas and won't even be paid any extra for doing so. Not all unions are bad but the way today's business world is going I believe they will be more needed than ever. I hate to hear that CM's are going thru the same stuff but I can relate.:confused3
 
We book through AAA, never a single problem with our reservations and we do it via email, done in a minute, the TA does all the work, even the ADR's. Disney is amongst many if not most companies in the US outsourcing the work. I was poised for a call center job with a new company, I mean I knew the VP of customer relations and kept in touch with her for 6 months, checking on the progress of the company etc., only to get an email recently from her saying they decided to outsource the work, no job.
 












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