Tell us the ways to beat fast pass+

[Sammie]

Can I be the guy that says people trying to [beat | abuse | uberuse | work | make-the-most-of] the FP system is why we now have FP+?

I mean, are you trying to get WDW to move on to FP++ already?

You know I might not always agree with you on topics, but at least you understand why all this happened and for that I respect your comments.

I don't blame anyone for their use of Fastpass legacy, Disney allowed it. But at least you understand why that use let to these changes.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

You've swerved into the root of what many people dislike about FP+. People don't want to be forced into specific "accepted" activities. Maybe I could care less about the Dapper Dans. Why should I have to endure them instead of riding the ride I want to? Why is one ride not enough? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't... but that should be for ME to decide. If I want to spend ALL DAY riding Carousel of Progress over and over, then that should be my choice.

For the record, I would just as soon see shows instead of riding things multiple times, but it is the principle of the matter. If you take this reasoning to its logical conclusion, the Magicbands should be changed to ankle bracelets and if you try to ride something twice (even in standby), you should be denied entrance. Because, after all, the ride has limited capacity and riding twice (even if I stood in line both times) prevented someone else from being able to ride it once.

This is only true with respect multiple FP+ reservations for the same ride. You can still ride a single ride all day long - you just have to get in line with everyone else.

 

[Sammie]

And hopefully Disney pays attention and closes any of the loopholes that come put. That is one of the big advantages of FP+ over Legacy FastPass. They can automate enforcement and not rely on the CMs to selectively enforce policy like return times.

Passive enforcement is what they love and do best. It is slow to come around, but once they see a problem it will be addressed.

 

[FireDancer]

Except that they've created the biggest loophole/CM judgment call of all time. Are they going to adopt a "zero tolerance" or "no excuses" policy if you get a blue Mickey? There are already reports of people claiming they have a FP+ when they don't and they're being let through. With paper FP, you had a physical ticket in your hand or you didn't. There's no way to prove your claim that it must be a "glitch." Disney has a history of appeasing guests when it comes to issues like this, so my guess is that the new "abuse strategy" will be to ride everything using FP+s that you don't actually have reserved. Please understand that I am NOT condoning or suggesting this! Merely predicting that it will occur. Mark my words.

There is no reason the system wouldn't have an audit interface for cast members to check on the status of the FP+ reservation when the RFID reader fails (or "fails" in this case). The default, once some of the bugs are worked out, shouldn't be "it's a glitch", it should be let's look and see what happened.

I manage system implementations and there comes a time when you know the games people try to play and either device a system that detects it or train your employees to recognize it. I can think of a couple of systematic ways to solve your problem just off the top of my head right now.

 

[magicbob]

This is only true with respect multiple FP+ reservations for the same ride. You can still ride a single ride all day long - you just have to get in line with everyone else.

Yes, but as I said... even riding multiple times waiting in standby is "denying someone else the opportunity to ride." The ride has limited capacity. My point was that, by some people's reasoning that there's something inherently wrong with riding multiple times, perhaps Disney should enact a strict "one ride per customer" limit (not just FP+ limit, but for standby too!).

There is no reason the system wouldn't have an audit interface for cast members to check on the status of the FP+ reservation when the RFID reader fails (or "fails" in this case). The default, once some of the bugs are worked out, shouldn't be "it's a glitch", it should be let's look and see what happened.

I manage system implementations and there comes a time when you know the games people try to play and either device a system that detects it or train your employees to recognize it. I can think of a couple of systematic ways to solve your problem just off the top of my head right now.

I agree there are lots of ways they COULD enforce it. But will they?

 

[C & L Shaw]

Exactly. My beef is with people who have to do and ride everything multiple times a day. In some ways, I like the FP+ idea of spreading people out, essentially making them do everything rather than run from one headliner to another. Why is one ride on TSMM or SM not enough? I can't imagine the learning curve of a new visitor hitting Disney now.

Us "lazy" people like to enjoy our resort, swim, play miniature golf, see the shows, listen to the Dapper Dans or Bob and the Banjo Brothers, or Jammitors. If you only have 3 FP+, then you'll be forced to do that too. It's not a bad way to enjoy a visit to Disney World and a lot less stress.

So what if your resort told you that you could only use the pool once during your stay. What you like to do on YOUR vacation is no concern of mine, so why isn't okay for me to want to ride a ride more than once? Why would you have a "beef" with what I want to do on my vacation?

 

[skittlesrock]

With the old fStpass system that is exactly what we would do. Part of the group would use paper fastpass the other part would use rider switch. It would allow us to have more fast passes at once and open faster. Sounds like there is mixed info out there with fastpass + but the only way they could change it is if they require all but one person to still have fastpass to use the rider switch. Otherwise the rider switch is useless...

ok.. so I'm going to change my fastpass selections giving my husband soarin, and me testtrack where we both can ride with the rider switch passes!! Is this cheating the system?

We can each make our own selections, so I don't think it's cheatin the system, we just want different selections. So the CM's will give me a rider's pass for my husband (who's not in the fastpass line with me) for the attraction??

 

[mesaboy2]

You know I might not always agree with you on topics, but at least you understand why all this happened and for that I respect your comments.

I don't blame anyone for their use of Fastpass legacy, Disney allowed it. But at least you understand why that use let to these changes.

Except that comment was tongue-in-cheek (hence the ), and I don't believe restricting "super-use" was a primary motive for scrapping legacy FP. I believe you do, however, and I can respect it if I can't bring myself to agree with it.

 

[magicbob]

ok.. so I'm going to change my fastpass selections giving my husband soarin, and me testtrack where we both can ride with the rider switch passes!! Is this cheating the system?

We can each make our own selections, so I don't think it's cheatin the system, we just want different selections. So the CM's will give me a rider's pass for my husband (who's not in the fastpass line with me) for the attraction??

Only if you use one of the new "rent-a-kid" services that will inevitably crop up.

 

[skittlesrock]

Only if you use one of the new "rent-a-kid" services that will inevitably crop up.

I don't understand what you mean.. Am I allowed to do this or not?

 

[mesaboy2]

Only if you use one of the new "rent-a-kid" services that will inevitably crop up.

You don't have to rent one--I just help myself whenever Disney tells me to take small children by the hand.

 

[FireDancer]

I agree there are lots of ways they COULD enforce it. But will they?

We can only hope that they do. I hope management came down on them for the way they didn't enforce legacy FP return times and enforcement of policy is a much bigger deal.

 

[pilferk]

I don't understand what you mean.. Am I allowed to do this or not?

The only way, according to policy, you can use rider swap is if you have a young child too short to ride the attraction. That's what they are referring to.

Typically, they will not give them to fp riders...at least from my experience. We've had to be heading to the standby line to get one. I guess they figure since you have a one Hour window with fps....you essentially have built in rider swap.

 

[skittlesrock]

The only way, according to policy, you can use rider swap is if you have a young child too short to ride the attraction. That's what they are referring to.

Typically, they will not give them to fp riders...at least from my experience. We've had to be heading to the standby line to get one. I guess they figure since you have a one Hour window with fps....you essentially have built in rider swap.

I do have young children that are below 40"!!

so they won't give me a rider's pass in the fp line for my hubby?

 

[wisblue]

Moved

 

[morethananyonex]

There is no way to beat the system. Everyone gets the same amount of FP+ no matter what they do. There are ways to better use the system though.

What it comes down to is, follow crowd calendars, do rope drop, utilize morning EMH and hop to recommended park after, hop from recommended park and utilize evening EMH when they are late enough to clear the parks, and use your FP+ during the busiest parts of the day for the busiest most time consuming attractions at the least recommended park you are visiting (if you're hopping).

Obviously FP+ can be beneficial in other situations, but if you want the absolute most out of it and the parks, that's the basics.

 

[3girls4me05]

I do have young children that are below 40"!!

so they won't give me a rider's pass in the fp line for my hubby?

I haven't used FP+ with rider swap but with regular fast pass it worked like this.

DH and I would first approach the CM working the FP line (usually the only CM near the entrance to a ride) with our child. I would explain that we wanted to use the Rider Swap feature. CM would give us a ticket that would allow us and up to two or three others to go through the FP line. DH then would ride the ride with his fast pass. I would go off and do other things or hang out. When he got off, I got on. Our oldest children thought this was the best. They would also have FP to ride with dad and then got to ride again with mom!

 

[TLSnell1981]

Buck up.

When Disney announces that they are going to offer additional FP+ reservations by tier for a fee, you can purchase more FP+ reservations for each member of your party. That's what I believe will happen and you can pay to play or not. Enjoy your trip.

But of course, this Has ALWAYS been Disney's intentions! it was NEVER about "being fair".

"super-uber-user-abusers" si vous plait.

Merci beaucoup!

 

[noahdove]

Someone mentioned "tier" for fast pass, please explain this. Thank you.

 

[Andyman33]

For rider swap we never did standby line....ever. Nor will I. Has anyone confirmed that some cms really won't give rider swap in fastpass line?