Tell me about crypto currency…. Please

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Gold is doing well at the moment. I think. Silver? Couldn't say. I vaguely remember a story about a pair of investors who tried to corner the silver market and went bust in the process.
 
It's too late to make a lot of money in cryptocurrency although you could still lose a lot.

DS got into mining in grad school and owns a lot at very low price. Got out of mining and sold the equipment at top price when it went crazy. He sold about half of coin he owned a few years ago and made a lot of money. He is still in a profit position on the other half and is just holding it to see what happens.

It is not really an investment, more like a ponzie scheme - value is what it is perceived too be and varies wildly. And the wallets are very vulnerable to theft.
 
The only thing worse than investing in crypto is Gold. Zero inherent value.
Completely disagree. Gold is a tangible physical asset that is fungible just about everywhere in the world. Beyond it's attributes as a wealth holder, it does have actual uses and will always be fungible for that reason. Crypto can go boom and bust, but gold has been fairly steady over centuries.

OP, I get what your husband is trying to do, he's just not going about it the right way. Hyper inflation was a concern and Crypto was believed by many to be a good hedge against that. Fiat currencies, like just about every paper currency currently in existence, is prone to lose value. I believe it was Zimbabwe that in the course of a couple months the largest denomination bills were worth less than toilet paper.

Did you know that a UK pound of currency stems back to when one pound was worth an imperial pound of silver? Well now you know!
I did know that. How many Pounds Sterling is a pound of sterling worth now?
 

Completely disagree. Gold is a tangible physical asset that is fungible just about everywhere in the world. Beyond it's attributes as a wealth holder, it does have actual uses and will always be fungible for that reason. Crypto can go boom and bust, but gold has been fairly steady over centuries.

OP, I get what your husband is trying to do, he's just not going about it the right way. Hyper inflation was a concern and Crypto was believed by many to be a good hedge against that. Fiat currencies, like just about every paper currency currently in existence, is prone to lose value. I believe it was Zimbabwe that in the course of a couple months the largest denomination bills were worth less than toilet paper.


I did know that. How many Pounds Sterling is a pound of sterling worth now?
Haha, I have no idea. All I know is that it's a very volatile market!
 
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Completely disagree. Gold is a tangible physical asset that is fungible just about everywhere in the world. Beyond it's attributes as a wealth holder, it does have actual uses and will always be fungible for that reason. Crypto can go boom and bust, but gold has been fairly steady over centuries.
Gold has been a poor hedge against inflation. The only thing gold is good for is to scam people. Lear Captial has 33% commission on buying / selling gold. They would frequently advertise on news programs and convince people that the USD is losing value and the only way to project themselves is by buying gold.
 
Your reaction should be the same as if he had set up an account with a bookie to bet on sports or horse races. He’s gambling. Nothing wrong with that, if you want to have a bit of fun and above all that it’s money you can afford to lose. As a rule of thumb I would say that no more than about 1-2% of your net worth should be in crypto.
 
The only thing worse than investing in crypto is Gold. Zero inherent value.
Gold has gone from 279.00 an ounce in 2000 to over 2000 an ounce this year. If you own physical gold you can sell it for well above spot price. Numismatic coins are through the roof right now. Central banks around the world have been buying gold... you may be alone in your assumptions.
 
Gold has been a poor hedge against inflation. The only thing gold is good for is to scam people. Lear Captial has 33% commission on buying / selling gold. They would frequently advertise on news programs and convince people that the USD is losing value and the only way to project themselves is by buying gold.
Gold is not a hedge against inflation. You are right about that being a scam. That is not why you buy gold. There are plenty of reputable dealers out there other than Lear.
 
Anyone can buy gold/silver directly from reputable online sources like the US Mint if you are interested is such things. If you jump into buying something based on a TV ad trying to sell you gold out of fear the economy is collapsing or other similiar nonsense while charging a huge mark-up, then you clearly haven't done your research. They also tend to cleverly choose their time horizon implying gold will always go up by a smiliar amount. Graphing historical returns on any investment is an unreliable way to predict the future.
 
Anyone can buy gold/silver directly from reputable online sources like the US Mint if you are interested is such things. If you jump into buying something based on a TV ad trying to sell you gold out of fear the economy is collapsing or other similiar nonsense while charging a huge mark-up, then you clearly haven't done your research. They also tend to cleverly choose their time horizon implying gold will always go up by a smiliar amount. Graphing historical returns on any investment is an unreliable way to predict the future.
People buy gold to protect wealth. It’s a safe haven asset. It generally holds its value as a currency declines.
The us mint government website is listing gold buffalos at 2890 that is definitely not the best place to buy gold. In fact that’s the biggest mark up over spot price I’ve ever seen. Most dealers are selling around 2050 to 2100. A few months ago you couldn’t find any, but supply seems to have returned at least for now.

I agree with you on the TV ads, but really no different then a lot of products sold on TV.

I think the best thing to do is be diversified. I know very little about crypto other than it’s very volatile.
 
I have exactly one Bitcoin, which I bought awhile back when it's value was nothing by today's standards. But that was over a decade ago. Would I invest in crypto now? No way.

All investments carry risk. If you don't feel comfortable with the risk, I would encourage your husband to hit the pause button.
 
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With gold it depends on whether you are interested in proof/uncirculated investment grade coins or bullion. Prices will clearly be higher for the investment grade coins. The ongoing value of those is a combination of the weight of the precious metal as well as the value associated with a collectable coin. The US Mint site lists a number of reputable dealers who sell bullion.

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With gold it depends on whether you are interested in proof/uncirculated investment grade coins or bullion. Prices will clearly be higher for the investment grade coins. The ongoing value of those is a combination of the weight of the precious metal as well as the value associated with a collectable coin. The US Mint site lists a number of reputable dealers who sell bullion.

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Coins that are approved for an IRA are also different. I believe most of them are uncirculated and graded. You have to have a depository, pay an annual fee, and pay for shipping and insurance if you take a distribution. I pay around 400 a year for storage, but it's not something I want laying around the house. I know nothing about Bitcoin, but I know it's a lot easier to liquidate.
 
One source, so much reading that can be done https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cryptocurrency.asp

IF a person is going to participate it is important to understand that if there is no denominator, as in no finite number of units, the thing simply can't hold value. So if you you can't say you own 10 of 100,000,000 or 10/10,000,000 (or whatever the denominator would be) then you are just riding a wave other much bigger entities are using to manipulate. Just look at what Bankman Fried did, people used US cash investments in good faith investments but that money was used by the system to prop up value in his system then he was bleeding the money out the back end via an "Investment Arm." This was embezzlement.

Real word issues:

1) IRS is really cracking down on this entire sphere, there were people wrecked by tax obligations generated by massive earnings so for this reason alone I would stay away. It is messy and thing is with the US, a thing is fine until it isn't and then you are just stuck.
https://money.com/crypto-bitcoin-taxes-2021/
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/29/tre...porting-rule-what-it-means-for-investors.html

Normally, in investments you only need to declare if there are gains. Well, we did a miniscule bit with Doge back when it was "the thing" just for funsies like how I buy a single Lotto Ticket when it's up to a Billion. Next we discovered our CPA was being directed to make inquiries to all customers about participation. I was a bit shocked but shared everything about closing it to show the loss, whole thing was under $100 but I got very spooked by the vibes.

2). Crypto has been the source of so much illicit behavior it will get you dragged under a microscope via guilt by association so for that reason I would stay away.

While this was bustling during Quarantine I did a smidge of reading and the one take away was it is a masterful way to hide transaction origination and destination points because there is just so much noise in the system, I got the same impression with NFTs.

After I read about Crypto and NFTs my impression is whole idea appears to be designed to benefit criminal behavior and regular people are coaxed to participate so that their volume of innocent transactions make it much harder for law enforcement to pick out the illicit transactions. Also, the normal currency cash infusions people put into a crypto system is lending value to the system but since the system isn't backed by anything it is so extremely perilous to regular people investors. Bankman-Fried exploited this and is now going to jail for it, there are countless others like him. The US has many enemies right now, it makes sense Americans would be targeted so one more reason I would completely steer clear.

There is a relationship between likelihood of loss and potential returns, like with a Lotto ticket the more you are hoping to win the less likely you will get anything back. This is why promised returns are completely outlawed, see Wolf of Wall Street, lots of people go to jail for promising returns because it is tough to bait the hook without promises. Speaking of criminal enterprise movies ENRON: The smartest guys in the room always makes for a good solid jolt of reality and how they turned off energy supplies in California to make themselves rich, mind boggling.
 
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One source, so much reading that can be done https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cryptocurrency.asp

IF a person is going to participate it is important to understand that if there is no denominator, as in no finite number of units, the thing simply can't hold value. So if you you can't say you own 10 of 100,000,000 or 10/10,000,000 (or whatever the denominator would be) then you are just riding a wave other much bigger entities are using to manipulate. Just look at what Bankman Fried did, people used US cash investments in good faith investments but that money was used by the system to prop up value in his system then he was bleeding the money out the back end via an "Investment Arm." This was embezzlement.

Real word issues:

1) IRS is really cracking down on this entire sphere, there were people wrecked by tax obligations generated by massive earnings so for this reason alone I would stay away. It is messy and thing is with the US, a thing is fine until it isn't and then you are just stuck.
https://money.com/crypto-bitcoin-taxes-2021/
new
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/29/tre...porting-rule-what-it-means-for-investors.html

Normally, in investments you only need to declare if there are gains. Well, we did a miniscule bit with Doge back when it was "the thing" just for funsies like how I buy a single Lotto Ticket when it's up to a Billion. Next we discovered our CPA was being directed to make inquiries to all customers about participation. I was a bit shocked but shared everything about closing it to show the loss, whole thing was under $100 but I got very spooked by the vibes.

2). Crypto has been the source of so much illicit behavior it will get you dragged under a microscope via guilt by association so for that reason I would stay away.

While this was bustling during Quarantine I did a smidge of reading and the one take away was it is a masterful way to hide transaction origination and destination points because there is just so much noise in the system, I got the same impression with NFTs.

After I read about Crypto and NFTs my impression is whole idea appears to be designed to benefit criminal behavior and regular people are coaxed to participate so that their volume of innocent transactions make it much harder for law enforcement to pick out the illicit transactions. Also, the normal currency cash infusions people put into a crypto system is lending value to the system but since the system isn't backed by anything it is so extremely perilous to regular people investors. Bankman-Fried exploited this and is now going to jail for it, there are countless others like him. The US has many enemies right now, it makes sense Americans would be targeted so one more reason I would completely steer clear.

There is a relationship between likelihood of loss and potential returns, like with a Lotto ticket the more you are hoping to win the less likely you will get anything back. This is why promised returns are completely outlawed, see Wolf of Wall Street, lots of people go to jail for promising returns because it is tough to bait the hook without promises. Speaking of criminal enterprise movies ENRON: The smartest guys in the room always makes for a good solid jolt of reality and how they turned off energy supplies in California to make themselves rich, mind boggling.
You make a lot of good points. I honestly don't understand the market enough to invest in it. I do know it's extremely volatile and it takes a certain amount of risk aversion to participate. If you've got the money to lose or maybe gain big then I don't see a problem with it. I'm sure people have gotten very wealthy off of it. I don't think in today's environment with so much uncertainty in the world it would be something I'd take a chance on.
 
^^ That tends to be how all pyramid/ponzi schemes work. Those who jumped in early make their money from those who join later. It all starts to fall apart like a house of cards when the flow of new money dries up and those who haven't cashed out are left holding the bag. Their 'investment' is worth -0- or a fraction of what they put into it. That is why pyramid/ponzi schemes are illegal. The crypto world can use all the fancy terms they want but it is still a smoke/mirrors operation that has managed to fool a lot of people.
 
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