*** Television Fall 2010 ***

Perhaps they should have put it on Thursday 9pm, against Grey's Anatomy, CSI and The Office? :confused3

Networks don't "set up" programs for failure; that's a myth. Every show that fails feels like it has been "set up" for failure, but the reality is that the shows fail on their own merits or lack thereof.

How about Wednesdays at 9? There are plenty of time slots that could work.. Mondays right now is death. Okay Fox doesn't have 24 anymore so their brains still might be in hangover mode from that great show. First they put Lonestar, it fails. Then they stick a great show like Lie to Me in that time slot. Hey idiots at FOX, that's not working!!!!!
 
Any interest in threads for either Hawaii Five-0 or Paranormal State?
 
How about Wednesdays at 9?
That's Hell's Kitchen's time-slot. Wouldn't putting Hell's Kitchen up against all those shows you mentioned be "setting it up for failure"?

There are plenty of time slots that could work..
You mean, there are plenty of time slots that would be better for Lie To Me - but perhaps resulting in a worse situation overall for the network.

They can't leave dead air. They have to fill all the time-slots. So the question you need to answer is what show would do better in the Monday 9PM time-slot than the time-slot that other show is in currently. If there was such a show, then perhaps Lie To Me could swap with that show.
 
Sunday, October 17, 2010
Finales:
Rubicon (AMC)
Mad Men (AMC)

Tuesday, October 19, 2010
Premieres:
Tower Prep (Cartoon)
 

That's Hell's Kitchen's time-slot. Wouldn't putting Hell's Kitchen up against all those shows you mentioned be "setting it up for failure"?

You mean, there are plenty of time slots that would be better for Lie To Me - but perhaps resulting in a worse situation overall for the network.

They can't leave dead air. They have to fill all the time-slots. So the question you need to answer is what show would do better in the Monday 9PM time-slot than the time-slot that other show is in currently. If there was such a show, then perhaps Lie To Me could swap with that show.

Oops I'm in the Midwest so I meant 10 EST which is when Hell's Kitchen ends. Actually that would be a nice lead in to Lie to Me which might even help it gain some viewers. Regardless that was just an example of an open period for FOX.

This whole thing is game theory. Essentially Monday at 9 is a no win situation for FOX. So why take one of your better shows ratings wise (FOX doesn't have many winners) and compete against shows that already have a HUGE audience? It just does NOT make sense to me. FOX will not win during that time period unless they decide to bring 24 back. Instead just chalk up that time period as a loss, move on with life (re-air GLEE) if you feel the need, and save Lie to Me for a period in which it can compete and benefit the network.
 
Oops I'm in the Midwest so I meant 10 EST which is when Hell's Kitchen ends.
Fox network doesn't operate at 10PM Eastern Time. Their contract with affiliates is that the affiliates have that hour to program as they see fit. Most put their local news there, taking advantage of the hour jump that that gives them over the other large networks. It is considered to be one of the strongest aspects of the Fox network. It surely isn't an open time-slot.

This whole thing is game theory. Essentially Monday at 9 is a no win situation for FOX. So why take one of your better shows ratings wise (FOX doesn't have many winners) and compete against shows that already have a HUGE audience?
Lie To Me has never been "one of [the] better shows ratings wise". Of the dramas, House has always been tops, and Glee is very highly rated. Lie To Me has always been in the same category as Fringe and Bones. Bones, in particular, has been put in similarly tough time-slots in the past, but rose to the occasion and provided better than expected ratings in those time-slots. Fringe sits now in that Thursday 9PM Eastern time-slot I mentioned earlier... and you clearly agree that Lie To Me swapping time-slots with Fringe would be no improvement (from Lie To Me fans' perspective, at least). Indeed, Fringe is up against major power-houses, and beyond that, the expectation for ratings on Thursday is higher than for Monday. (Thursday is the most lucrative night of the weeks for commercials.)

It just does NOT make sense to me.
I think the key for some common understanding stems from the question I asked you earlier: What current Fox show would you put in that Monday 9PM time-slot, that would do better there than Lie To Me does?

I noticed you didn't mention moving Lie To Me to Friday. Perhaps you're aware of the ratings calculus that takes place there. Other than for CBS, Friday is typically where shows are placed when there is no hope of saving them. Indeed, Human Target was originally going to be aired on Friday, again this year, and we all clearly got the message that, since Human Target didn't get a more lucrative time-slot, and given how expensive a drama like that is to produce, that this would be the end of Human Target. Luckily, Lone Star tanked, and the ensuing scheduling changes landed Human Target a more competitive time-slot, and thereby another lease on life. If it does well there. There is no question that Human Target could have beat the competition on Friday, but so few people are watching that that wouldn't matter. Coming in second, and sometimes even third place, on a Monday or Tuesday would be superior performance than winning the time-slot on Friday - and could make the difference between renewal and cancellation.
 
I think the key for some common understanding stems from the question I asked you earlier: What current Fox show would you put in that Monday 9PM time-slot, that would do better there than Lie To Me does?

Switch Lie to Me and House. See what House can do against DWTS, The Event, and Two and a half Men. Lie to Me would only have to go up against DWTS.
 
I suppose you should apply for a job with Fox, so we can see if you're more adept at scheduling than their experts. :)
 
From August 19:
Folks can pick up old, well-regarded series, which they missed in first-run, when they're presented in syndication. As far as I could tell, starting in syndication this fall are:
  • Friday Night Lights (ABC Family) [9/6]
In one of the strangest and most unexpected early cancellations of the Fall 2010 season, ABC Family has apparently canceled the first run in syndication of Friday Nights Lights.

I can't remember a case in recent history when a syndicated run was canceled before all the episodes in the package were broadcast. The ratings for Friday Night Lights must have been prodigiously poor.
 
Related to the A&E reality shows: are two new epsiodes a week normal?
 
Tuesday, October 26, 2010
Premieres:
In Treatment (HBO)
Finales:
Melissa & Joey (ABC Family)
 
Do you know when Human Target premiers?
 
Wednesday, November 17, 2010
Premieres:
Human Target (Fox)
 
Nothing definitive, but this is from press releases from just one day this fall, regarding pilots for next year:
CHLOE (The CW, New!) - Marti Noxon ("Mad Men") has snagged a script order from the network for a new drama about "a young female con artist who dies and returns to earth as a Divine Covert Operator."

ALABAMA (FX) - Mindy Sterling, Natasha Leggero and Brandon Johnson have all joined the cast of the pilot, "a comedy set a thousand years in the future, aboard the United Nations peacekeeping spaceship: The U.S.S. Alabama." The former will play Doc, the ship's medical officer, with Leggero guesting as Roxy Sexbot and Johnson as an unspecified character.

DEATH VALLEY (MTV) - Bryan Callen ("How I Met Your Mother") has been tapped for the lead role on the upcoming series, "a scripted horror-comedy that captures the exploits of the men and women of the Undead Task Force (UTF) - an elite branch of the LAPD that was formed in 2009 when the San Fernando Valley became overrun by zombies, vampires and werewolves."

SECRET CIRCLE (The CW, New!) - Elizabeth Craft and Sarah Fain ("Lie to Me") are developing a new drama about "a California teen who moves to her mom's hometown of New Salem and discovers that she is a witch." Said hour is based on L.J. Smith's ("The Vampire Diaries") young adult series of the same name
Read more: Breaking News - Development Update: Wednesday, October 20 | TheFutonCritic.com http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2010/10/20/development-update-wednesday-october-20-352110

While they're just pilots, so who knows if any will be picked up, but also remember that that's just one day's worth of pilots. There is a very clear (and for several of us who follow this thread, very much appreciated) indications of a trend toward more fantasy-oriented programming.
 
No Ordinary Family and Better With You have been picked up for full seasons.

A few more episodes have been ordered for Detroit 1-8-7 and Brothers & Sisters, but neither have yet been picked up for the full season.

The Whole Truth has (finally) been canceled.
 
Indications are that CBS is planning on broadcasting reruns (or pre-empting episodes) for most of its series, from Thanksgiving through New Year's. (That's actually unusual. Most of the time, they broadcast one episode early in December.)
 
Medium appears to be winding down, perhaps ready for cancellation by February:
The Eye has rolled back its order for the show's seventh season from 22 to 13 episodes. Said decision is likely tied to the veteran drama's steep viewership decline this season ... That coupled with the network's bulging midseason slate ("Criminal Minds: Suspect Behavior," "Mad Love," "Chaos," etc.) and all five of its freshman series being asked for 18-22 episodes makes the decision not much of a surprise.

Read more: Breaking News - Development Update: Tuesday, October 26 | TheFutonCritic.com http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2010/10/26/development-update-tuesday-october-26-389410/8946
 


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