Teen Mom Series Finale

Yeah, I think April is like 38. Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

I don't see it this way.

Farrah absolutely has used Sophia to manipulate her parents (by threatening to cut off contact). I think (or at least I hope) that her parents wouldn't tolerate her appalling behavior if they weren't so invested in staying involved in Sophia's life.

In terms of her romantic relationships, Maci absolutely engages in some adolescent game playing/dramatics, but I think she's still a good mother. First of all, the proof is the pudding - Bentley appears to be a happy and well-adjusted little boy. Second, Maci is clearly thoughtful about the parenting decisions she's making (e.g., dropping the pacifier, getting Bentley prepared for daycare/preschool, etc.). I do think she relies on Kyle a little too heavily, but she also relies far less on her parents than the other teen moms. I also give her a lot of credit for being selective about the type of man she brings around Bentley. While it seems like she's rushing things with Kyle, it also seems like she's motivated (at least in part) by wanting to create a stable home life for Bentley.

She could absolutely be more civil in the way she talks to Ryan, but I think that most women in her position (of any age) would have a hard time with that. I also think that it's important to remember that she has done a lot more compromising with Ryan than many scorned women would do (e.g., avoiding bitter fights in court, agreeing to give Ryan an above average amount of time with Bentley even though it appears that his parents do a fair amount of the caretaking, etc).

Does Maci handle things perfectly? No. But when push comes to shove, Maci seems to make responsible, well-considered parenting decisions (IMO).

ETA: Also, why does Farrah's working in food service and modeling make her a better role model than Maci, who earns money doing public speaking gigs? How many mothers of toddlers would prefer to work more hours at a lower paying job rather than fewer hours at a higher paying job? I absolutely think that Maci should earn a degree and have a plan B, but it seems that Maci is taking advantage of the unusual opportunities her fame has afforded her. And frankly, Maci's behavior on the show has positioned her to take advantage of the fame in ways that Farrah and Amber cannot.

I absolutely agree Farrah uses Sophia to manipulate her parents. The difference imo is that Farrah does it directly to her parents - it's between them. Maci uses Bentley himself and I find it not only worse but really gross.

The stuff like having Bentley leave Kyle the phone message, telling Bentley that he can look like his father but don't think like him, beaming when Bentley called Kyle 'daddy' without correcting him, telling Bentley to say stuff to Ryan during their little meetings all the time; gross.

As to the proof that Maci is a good parent being in Bentley seeming a happy, well-adjusted toddler, I'd say they have likely nothing to do with one another.

First, Ryan has him like 3 days a week, so he'd be just as responsible as Maci. Second - Caitlin and Tyler. The two of them grew up around Butch and April - immature, drug addicted, apparently fairly useless as heck parents. They seem both happy and well-adjusted. Sorry, I'm very much nature.

As for Maci's parenting decisions like dropping the pacifier - he's still got it in this week's episode, pretty perpetually and without any comment from her so that went well. The daycare to preschool I failed to understand.

She's sending him to preschool so she wanted to send him to daycare so he'd be around kids... but previously, we saw her not want him to go to daycare. Aside from all of that, is there no play group in all of Chattanooga? Library story hour? Etc.

Farrah's job, to me, makes her a much better role model for a few reasons. First, she's perpetually held jobs AND been in school. Maci has managed neither.

Second, Maci appears to have gotten this gig fairly recently, in the show timeline. We've certainly never heard about it before (and it's possible Farrah does the same thing, as why wouldn't she? Though for the purposes of discussion, since Maci has said it and Farrah hasn't, assuming Maci does and she doesn't.).

It's not that I'm against public speaking as a thing (though I do think it's laughable that Maci is doing this particular gig), but that I think that the role model aspect of jobs is about work ethic and maybe doing things that you don't love because that's how you climb the ladder and get experience and etc.

It's not as if Maci is Captain Sullenberger, or a former cabinet member, who is now doing speaking gigs as a result of her accomplishments. She's got the gig because she was too dumb to use birth control. It's ... whatever, it's fine, but it's not exactly 'this is my career.' I don't think she'll still be talking to teens about using birth control in 10 years, because she'll be 30 and unrelatable. Hence... get a job Maci.

Neither Sophia nor Bentley know what their parents do for a living right now, but very soon they will and by the time they're aware, one may be able to say 'I worked my way up and went to school at the same time because... so...' and the other will be Maci who still probably won't have a degree or a job.
 
Your example of Maci doing speaking gigs now and not later is irrelevant. Many teens/early twenties waitress or hold another job and then get a different job later in life.

Bentley being a happy, well adjusted toddler has a lot to do with Maci. The example of Tyler and Caityln is not the same thing because they are at ages to make a choice to be happy.

Maci seems to put Bentley before herself almost all the time. Though she does make some mistakes, which all parents do, she wants the best for him.

There seems to be a lot if anger for someone you don't know...
 
Your example of Maci doing speaking gigs now and not later is irrelevant. Many teens/early twenties waitress or hold another job and then get a different job later in life.

Bentley being a happy, well adjusted toddler has a lot to do with Maci. The example of Tyler and Caityln is not the same thing because they are at ages to make a choice to be happy.

Maci seems to put Bentley before herself almost all the time. Though she does make some mistakes, which all parents do, she wants the best for him.

There seems to be a lot if anger for someone you don't know...
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Your example of Maci doing speaking gigs now and not later is irrelevant. Many teens/early twenties waitress or hold another job and then get a different job later in life.

Bentley being a happy, well adjusted toddler has a lot to do with Maci. The example of Tyler and Caityln is not the same thing because they are at ages to make a choice to be happy.

Maci seems to put Bentley before herself almost all the time. Though she does make some mistakes, which all parents do, she wants the best for him.

There seems to be a lot if anger for someone you don't know...

I don't think she ever puts him before her, it's always been all about Maci - like moving to chase her bf. That was entirely about Maci; it took Bentley two hours from his father and all four grandparents because Maci didn't want to have to make the drive to see her bf, so instead the kid has to make the drive.

Not managing to do anything with her life is about Maci - she took a semester off to sit around waiting for her bf to come home and entertain her, she is, as Ryan told her, lazy as.... which isn't helping Bentley at all.

At least Farrah, horrid as she is, is laying some groundwork for a career. Maci's speaking gigs, again, will soon dry up and then what? She's not doing anything to prepare for life.

I don't have any anger - it's not like I'm sitting here angry; she's a useless orange dolt, on television because she's a useless orange dolt. That's the point of the show, it's reality tv, it's 'look at the fools/horrible people.' As per usual, when well-cast, they throw in one non-hateful character as counterpoint.
 

Maci seems to put Bentley before herself almost all the time.
Let's list some of the things Maci has done to "put Bentley before herself":

She moved 2 hours away from her parents and her school to be near her boyfriend.
She fights with the child's father in front of him.
She forces him to sit around with her in coffee shops and nail salons while she enjoys herself.
She fails to grasp that she needs to finish school so she'll be able to support him in the future.

In short, she's behaving like what she is: An adolescent. She does keep him clean and well-dressed, and she does play with him sometimes, but I don't see her as a wonderful parent in any way. She constantly seems to be more concerned with her love life than with her child.

Bentley does seem to be doing well, but I think the real credit for that goes to her parents and Ryan's parents. Both of them seem to be good influences on the child, and it seems that they've had a big hand in raising him thusfar. We've seen one of the grandmothers working with him with a coloring book, and we've seen him playing cars with his grandfather. THEY are his saving grace.
At least Farrah, horrid as she is, is laying some groundwork for a career. Maci's speaking gigs, again, will soon dry up and then what? She's not doing anything to prepare for life.
Yes, Farrah seems to have a little more business acumen than the other girls, all of whom seem to have no job-sense whatsoever. Farrah instead falls short in the relationships category.
 
Let's list some of the things Maci has done to "put Bentley before herself":

She moved 2 hours away from her parents and her school to be near her boyfriend. So what you are singing Farrah and she moved across the country.
She fights with the child's father in front of him. Farrah fghts in front of her parents with Sophia right there
She forces him to sit around with her in coffee shops and nail salons while she enjoys herself. what parent doesn't
She fails to grasp that she needs to finish school so she'll be able to support him in the future. There are a lot of parents out there who didn't go to school and are doing just fine.

In short, she's behaving like what she is: An adolescent. She does keep him clean and well-dressed, and she does play with him sometimes, but I don't see her as a wonderful parent in any way. She constantly seems to be more concerned with her love life than with her child.

Bentley does seem to be doing well, but I think the real credit for that goes to her parents and Ryan's parents. Both of them seem to be good influences on the child, and it seems that they've had a big hand in raising him thusfar. We've seen one of the grandmothers working with him with a coloring book, and we've seen him playing cars with his grandfather. THEY are his saving grace. Yes, Farrah seems to have a little more business acumen than the other girls, all of whom seem to have no job-sense whatsoever. Farrah instead falls short in the relationships category.



My answer in bold


Maci has a job she was a waitress and now does public speaking What job does Farrah have or ever had
 
My answer in bold


Maci has a job she was a waitress and now does public speaking What job does Farrah have or ever had

I don't know what I think about Farrah moving, but she's not doing it because she doesn't feel like driving two hours to see her bf, so Sophia will have to drive two hours instead, that's what Maci did.

Farrah is ostensibly moving because she wants to separate from her parents and be independent, which is not a bad goal, though I do think being with her grandparents is good for Sophia, that family is not the most healthy. Of course neither is Farrah, emotionally. Farrah is also apparently enrolling in further schooling in Florida.

Maci... moved so she didn't have to drive to see her bf. Which took Bentley away from his father, and both sets of involved grandparents.

As to fighting with her parents in front of Sophia, yes, she does and it's not ideal, obviously. It's also not, imo, on the same plane as fighting with Ryan and putting Ryan down and enlisting Bentley IN putting Ryan down, which I think is just despicable, honestly. You just do not do that. She does it when he's not there too and it's horrid.

Lots of parents don't drag their kids, especially toddlers, to nail salons to sit while they get a manicure, and sit idly while they have coffee and chat with their friends. I don't really know any who *would* bring kids along to sit in a nail place. She not only drags him along to sit while she meets her friends and gets her nails done, we've never seen her do any age-appropriate or enriching activities with him. No museum, no toddler group, etc.

I think the closest was she and Kyle wanted to go to bumper cars or whatever and brought him and he was scared out of his little wits.

As for the not going to school and doing fine... the thing with Maci is she has every opportunity. She has MTV money atm, she had the luxury of her parents providing free housing and babysitting, Ryan has Bentley three days a week - and yet she STILL chooses to sit around on her butt doing jack all.

How, in that circumstance, does she not go to school? It's just baffling. It's not like she's a struggling single parent working 12 hours a day at a minimum-wage job who can't manage school and is trying to work her way up without it. Maci could go to school, but isn't. What is she going to do that'll be fine without schooling? She's got no degree or close, no job history. What is her life plan besides sit on orange butt and whine about boyfriends?

Farrah, despite having the same MTV money, has pretty much always held a job and/or been in school for the run of the show. We've seen her first with a waitressing gig and then working in the kitchen of a pizza place. She also got an associates degree over the same period and apparently enrolled in a four-year college in Florida to get a bachelor's. Farrah also does public speaking gigs and I don't think Maci was a waitress, I think the only thing we've ever seen her do is that bartending at her friend's thing that looked like a basement for one episode.
 
None of the girls are really shown going a lot of places with their children. I'm sure it has to do with permission rights. Bentley is shown to be smart and in my opinion confident. He also speaks very well and has good interaction. That comes from parenting. Maci is shown playing with him and they showed her having him outside on his bike. I don't analyze the show and cannot recall specific moments.

Maci's move to you might seem selfish but the other side of that is her independence. Maci might have chosen here location because of Kyle but it seems to suit them. The mention of Maci's parents helping a lot is something I don't recall seeing. As a parent my self, my in laws live 15 mins. away and still don't see my children a great deal - their choice. I don't believe her decision had a bad effect on Bentley. I believe it strengthened her confidence and parenting skills.

Maci does seem to be doing well with her speaking gigs. It seems she goes to different schools and seems to represent Teen Mom in PR. The public speaking is a job and great experience. I'm sure she also had to know statistics about STDs and pregnancy prevention. That is a job and though she doesn't have a degree that experience could land her a job. Everyone doesn't take a traditional route.


I'm sure these girls do more with their children then what is shown. And they are all faced with a hardship of having a child at a very young age.


I apologize for any typing errors. I'm on my phone right now and can't see what I typed...
 
My answer in bold


Maci has a job she was a waitress and now does public speaking What job does Farrah have or ever had
I'm not sure I quite understand your answers -- singing? Regardless, this isn't a Maci vs. Farrah question. Pointing out negatives about Maci (and they are plentiful) doesn't mean negatives about Farrah don't exist too. They are different, but neither of these girls has done anything 'specially praise-worthy.
 
I agree with cornflake, I think Maci is a bad mom that happens to have a well dressed/clean kid - I know parents like this, by looking at their children you would assume they are well taken care of, they are fed, and cleaned and have nice/new clothes, but that is where the parenting ends.

Maci and Farrah both have major parenting issues.
 
I agree with cornflake, I think Maci is a bad mom that happens to have a well dressed/clean kid - I know parents like this, by looking at their children you would assume they are well taken care of, they are fed, and cleaned and have nice/new clothes, but that is where the parenting ends.

Maci and Farrah both have major parenting issues.
And either one would receive Mother of the Year before Amber would receive a single vote! My goodness this show is a train wreck. And, scary is it is, I believe that the original Teen Mom girls are significantly more likable than the Teen Mom 2 girls.:eek:
 
I'm not sure I quite understand your answers -- singing? Regardless, this isn't a Maci vs. Farrah question. Pointing out negatives about Maci (and they are plentiful) doesn't mean negatives about Farrah don't exist too. They are different, but neither of these girls has done anything 'specially praise-worthy.


You are singing Farrah praise listing all the wrong that Macit had done.

I think Maci has done many praise worthy thing.
 
And either one would receive Mother of the Year before Amber would receive a single vote! My goodness this show is a train wreck. And, scary is it is, I believe that the original Teen Mom girls are significantly more likable than the Teen Mom 2 girls.:eek:

I don't really like any of the teen mom 2 girls
 
I'm sure these girls do more with their children then what is shown. And they are all faced with a hardship of having a child at a very young age.

I dunno what they do or don't, so we can only go by what we're shown. Almost never see any of them with a book either, which also bugs no end.

However, the reason I quoted that sentence is because none of them were 'faced with a hardship' imo. That makes it sound like something out of their control happened.

Every one of them actively chose this, numerous times.

Agree the TM2 dullards are all just awful.
 
I believe, and could be wrong, Maci got pregnant her first time?

I wouldn't say any of them are mother of the year. Could you explain why, in particular, you think Maci is such a bad mom? (Honestly curious :) )

I remember seeing one of the other girls, I think Farrah, leave her daughter in a sink while she was taking a bath and walk away. That to me and some other things that were shown scream bad parenting, but I don't recall anything like that from Maci.

There are many different mom out there and the reality us there arent many good moms anymore. Sad to say.
 
I believe, and could be wrong, Maci got pregnant her first time?

I wouldn't say any of them are mother of the year. Could you explain why, in particular, you think Maci is such a bad mom? (Honestly curious :) )

I remember seeing one of the other girls, I think Farrah, leave her daughter in a sink while she was taking a bath and walk away. That to me and some other things that were shown scream bad parenting, but I don't recall anything like that from Maci.

There are many different mom out there and the reality us there arent many good moms anymore. Sad to say.

That is what Maci says, yes.

There's a lot of criticism of her parenting detailed upthread.
 
You are singing Farrah praise listing all the wrong that Macit had done.

I think Maci has done many praise worthy thing.
No, I'm not. I said that Farrah has a little more business sense than the other girls (because she has kept it together enough to attend class and finish a low-level college degree, whereas none of the others have managed that -- that is a fact that can't be disputed), but that's her only redeeming feature. Her behavior is toxic, and she brings trouble to all her relationships. That's hardly singing her praises.

I don't see either one of these girls as praise-worthy. I think Maci ends up being discussed because some people get the idea that the show must contain one "good mom", and if that were true, it'd be Maci -- she's not as damaging to her child as the others -- but that idea isn't true. In reality, these three are all immature, unprepared for the task, and coming up short in the parenting department.

Do you know her personally to defend her so strongly?
 
Farrah is one of the snottiest, ill mannered people I have ever seen. She is nothing but rude and self centered. When she speaks to her parents, nothing but venom comes out of that girls mouth. Her attitude is appauling to say the least.

What is wrong with Maci. Going to Florida, to "be around" where her ex-boyfriend and his family are on vacation. Bit stalkerish if you ask me.
 
Farrah is one of the snottiest, ill mannered people I have ever seen. She is nothing but rude and self centered. When she speaks to her parents, nothing but venom comes out of that girls mouth. Her attitude is appauling to say the least.

What is wrong with Maci. Going to Florida, to "be around" where her ex-boyfriend and his family are on vacation. Bit stalkerish if you ask me.

Don't understand why Farrah's parents tolerate her mouth. I suppose it's because she holds Sophia over their heads.

Maci is nuts. She'd have a fit if Ryan wanted in on her vacation. She looks dirty and messy this season, for whatever reason, it's like she doesn't try with her appearance.

Cate needs a new hair style. That big style with bows and oversized shirts she has going does absolutely nothing for her.
 










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