Teacher's advice on missing school

There's simply no way for you to know that it is "most" systems. Just from this thread you can see that there is a broad spectrum of opinions and allowed vs not allowed things across the country. As the thread continues you will see more variances.

I know that school systems are required to report attendance as part of their accountability to NCLB. True, states get to decide what constitutes an excused absence. We all know kids who could miss school and still do well without a hiccup. However, if it is a large system, especially an urban one, they already have a truancy problem and therefore stricter guidelines (can't make AYP if kids are not at school). That being said, common sense says going on vacation with your family isn't truancy per se. I see good students get permission for that sort of thing all the time. It's decided on a case by case basis. In fact, strong families make our job so much easier.

The short version:Don't assume that it will be excused. Clear it with administration and follow up. Letters from the DA are initially form letters but they still freak innocent parents out when they get them.

My DD makes straight As. If I weren't putting my own students at risk, I'd yank her out in a heartbeat for smaller crowds, cooler weather and free dining.
 
Some of these districts seem very strict compared to ours.

In some states, district funding is tied to attendance. For every day a kid is out, the district loses money. And it's tough to run a district with no money, so that's why it's strict in many places.
 
Thank you for your input, OP. My kindergartener is going to miss 8 school days in October for our trip - this is probably our once in a lifetime trip with his grandmothers and I was thinking it really wouldn't be a big deal in kindergarten (he picks up on things really quickly, and I do feel capable of working on kindergarten level concepts :lmao:)

In my little bit of experience as a substitute teacher I have found that understanding the material is only half the battle. I may understand the material but explaining it in a way for the kids, especially the really young ones, understand it is another kettle of fish entirely.
 
True that about the funding things but these parents we are hearing from aren't the problem I'm betting.
 

We are planning to take the kids out of school in fall of 2015 for about 8 days for our wedding in Disney World. By then DD8 will be in 4th grade and DSD4 will be in kindergarten. I have pulled DD8 out for vacations before, some I got to go on too, some grandma took her without me, and she had no problems at all catching up and we never had any issues with her teachers at all. However, I am already worried about DD4. I am not at all convinced that she doesn't have mild special needs, perhaps a developmental delay or learning disability. It takes her a long time to learn new skills. I mean a looooonnnnnggg time. I am worried that pulling her out for that long will make it really hard for her to catch up. She will start preschool in the fall and hopefully that will give us some answers.
 
I'm sorry to take this thread down a different lane.. but I really am bugged about this statement.... and feel the need to address this way of thinking, concerning children with learning disabilities. (I am strictly speaking of learning disabilities, not physical disabilities.)

Kids that have a LD deserve every right to go on any vacation, just as much as a child that does not have a LD. You see, as a mother of a child with a LD, I see how VERY hard she has to work just to get a bad grade on a test. Yes I wrote that correctly, hard work at getting a poor grade. So some of you may think, well duh, if you take your kid on a vacation, they will have to work even harder at catching back up.... (and sometimes that may be the case, and sometimes not...)

But I will tell you this, my child is only a child for so long... Education will come, albeit slowly in some cases.... but sometimes a kid, will benefit from taking a break, more than any benefit of knowing how to do a specific math problem, science experiment, and even spelling test. Call it a sanity vacation.

I see the effort my child displays, occasional tears, time spent on explaining classwork, time spent on explaining homework, time re-explaining those things again, stress or tension in the home to complete projects or studying for exams., ect.. It's heartbreaking to see a child, any child at that matter, struggle with wanting to do well in class, and not be able to, no matter what they do. Why wouldn't that child have the same right of going on a vacation, as the child that learns easily?

My daughter, as well as most kids that have a LD, know they have a learning discrepancy. Kids will react differently towards that, some acting out, some dealing with it head on and working twice or more as hard... but regardless of what their LD is or how they respond to it, don't they deserve a break just as much as a child that excels in classes...

Why should my daughter, or any LD child, be penalized from enjoying a vacation, in spite of their LD? They shouldn't. Certainly the OP could not have possibly meant that...

Please don't throw any Easter eggs at me...I'm not trying to troll the thread. I'm not mad at the OP or ruffle their feathers... I tried to as respectfully as possible, point out how absurd it was to say what was said. I understand the OP had the best of intentions, but wish #3 would have been more thoughtfully written.

In my personal experience LD means learns differently. My SPED kids and 504s work harder than almost anyone else in my classes. Many appreciate the gift of learning more as well.:love:
 
Interesting thread. Our DD will start K this fall, and we're planning to take her out of school for our trip in Sept. We live in NYC and our schools are always closed for 2 days for Rosh Hashana; we chose that week to go since she'll only miss 3 days of school instead of a full week.

The city policy is 10 consecutive missed days before there's any investigation/action, so I'm not worried about that, but hopefully her teacher is nice about it.
 
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I remember being taken out for a week while in school for a trip every few years....ahhh the old days. But as others has mentioned...we live in a world if embattled funding, standardized (over) testing and very very structured lessons and a ton of oversight by "committees" and "administrators".

It's a shame we are even having this conversation. I do believe there are educational benefits to some vacations. But with all the above educational issues we as families find ourselves battling these issues vs the overwhelming costs and crowds during summer.
 
My children missed school for 5 days for Disney trip along with missing a few days for a death in the family and sickness throughout the whole school year and the next thing I know is I get a phone call from the police saying there are considered truant. I regret taking them to Disney now with all the trouble that it has caused. I thought because they are in the first grade five days would not make a big difference but I guess the teachers and the principal thought differently.I also had to sit down and explain why they missed the days they missed and now the teachers are holding them back in the first grade as a result.

I'm so sorry this happened to you, and it's a good warning to research your district's rules before taking your child out of school.

That said, if I was in your shoes and someone was threatening to hold my child back in first grade, we would opt to homeschool. Advancement in grade should be based on the child's achievement and readiness for the next year, not on whether or not mum and dad ensured they had their butt glued to a seat the minimum required number of days.

(Mind you, in my district, grade is tied to age until they get to high school. No one gets held back, ever.)

As a retired first grade teacher I too am bothered by the attitude that "real" school doesn't begin until 6th grade. I spent 36 years teaching children to read and I considered that "kind of important".

I also disagree that it is easier to take an older child out of school. When a first grader misses school they are missing 6 hours of instruction everyday. In both reading and math, that is a big deal!

Parents would always ask me to "just send the worksheets" and they figured the children would stay caught up. Children don't learn from worksheets. A worksheet is review and reinforcement of a concept that they learned from teacher instruction. When kids miss the instruction they can't do the worksheet.

I had many kids who missed school for Disney vacations and when they returned I often had to do one on one work with them to help them catch up. That was taking time away from the rest of the class!

So please don't think that because it's first grade it's not important. ;)

It depends on the child, on the parents and on the school. First grade is very important for some kids, if they aren't already receiving any instruction at home.

In our case, however, all of elementary was a bit beside the point, as my children had already passed all the provincial benchmarks well before September of every year before middle school. I didn't do it on purpose. Somehow the educational ball started rolling when they were toddlers, and didn't stop.

For us "real school" definitely didn't start until at least sixth grade. Maybe later. My daughter (who will be going to university next year), was regularly entertained by coming across concepts I'd taught her during a short stint of homeschooling (3rd and 4th grade), right up into 11th grade math.

Sorry for the parents who made you feel that way about elementary school. from my perspective, it is real school BUT, I feel competent to provide instruction for a dew missed days for the first few years. I can pretty much handle teaching my daughter single digit addition. But once they get to 5th grade, I am no longer competent to fill in for the teacher. I am, in fact, NOT smarter than a 5th grader.

I feel much the same way, especially as a former homeschooling parent. My experience teaching my own children has even led to work tutoring other people's kid, specializing to some extent in teaching dyslexic kids to read.

I'm also well aware, however, that you and I don't represent the majority of parents. Many, many parents hesitate to teach their children anything even remotely academic. They claim they can't. They say their kids won't listen to them or learn from them. Sometimes I think, between work and home, they just don't have the time or energy to do more than help with homework and read a bedtime story at night.

For most families, school is where their kids learn their academics, not home. And I have immense respect for the work classroom teachers do! It's incredibly hard to corral 20 to 30 young minds and get them all working and learning together. Teaching just one or two, especially ones whose learning style you understand intimately, is an entirely different thing, and much, much easier.


I'm sorry to take this thread down a different lane.. but I really am bugged about this statement.... and feel the need to address this way of thinking, concerning children with learning disabilities. (I am strictly speaking of learning disabilities, not physical disabilities.)

Kids that have a LD deserve every right to go on any vacation, just as much as a child that does not have a LD. You see, as a mother of a child with a LD, I see how VERY hard she has to work just to get a bad grade on a test. Yes I wrote that correctly, hard work at getting a poor grade. So some of you may think, well duh, if you take your kid on a vacation, they will have to work even harder at catching back up.... (and sometimes that may be the case, and sometimes not...)

But I will tell you this, my child is only a child for so long... Education will come, albeit slowly in some cases.... but sometimes a kid, will benefit from taking a break, more than any benefit of knowing how to do a specific math problem, science experiment, and even spelling test. Call it a sanity vacation.

I see the effort my child displays, occasional tears, time spent on explaining classwork, time spent on explaining homework, time re-explaining those things again, stress or tension in the home to complete projects or studying for exams., ect.. It's heartbreaking to see a child, any child at that matter, struggle with wanting to do well in class, and not be able to, no matter what they do. Why wouldn't that child have the same right of going on a vacation, as the child that learns easily?

My daughter, as well as most kids that have a LD, know they have a learning discrepancy. Kids will react differently towards that, some acting out, some dealing with it head on and working twice or more as hard... but regardless of what their LD is or how they respond to it, don't they deserve a break just as much as a child that excels in classes...

Why should my daughter, or any LD child, be penalized from enjoying a vacation, in spite of their LD? They shouldn't. Certainly the OP could not have possibly meant that...

Please don't throw any Easter eggs at me...I'm not trying to troll the thread. I'm not mad at the OP or ruffle their feathers... I tried to as respectfully as possible, point out how absurd it was to say what was said. I understand the OP had the best of intentions, but wish #3 would have been more thoughtfully written.

Thank you SO much for this! :hug:

My son is dyslexic. I pulled him out of school to homeschool in Kindergarten, because I could provide more learning support and therapy at home, than the school could give us (with their limited budgets and waiting lists). For my son, the hours spent in school were nothing but stressful, wasted time that we could spend working on his specific issues instead.

We travelled a lot during his homeschooling years, especially once his sister joined us for a couple years in elementary.

When he went back to public school in Grade 5 (his request), we were nervous about taking him out for family vacations. But the school has been unfailingly supportive of him and us.

In fact, in middle school, when he was under considerable stress (to the point of breaking out in hives), his educational support teacher actually asked if we had a vacation planned soon. When we said we did (a few days to a nearby city to visit the zoo), he then told us that he felt our son needed these regular "mental health breaks". And he was glad we were finding time in our lives to arrange them!

It was ultimately our son who decided, on his own in Grade 9, that he would not be taking any more family vacations during the school year. And we've respected that decision.

He's incredibly hard working and responsible, and deserves a vacation every much as the next kid!

In my little bit of experience as a substitute teacher I have found that understanding the material is only half the battle. I may understand the material but explaining it in a way for the kids, especially the really young ones, understand it is another kettle of fish entirely.

Very true. One of the biggest challenges of teaching is finding a way to help each student progress, taking into account their unique styles of learning and educational needs.

Some parents are quite capable of explaining the material to their own kids, however. It doesn't necessarily require a teaching degree, as is evidenced by the few children who start school every year already knowing the curriculum inside out and backward. (Which was something that really irritated my daughter's kindergarten teacher, whose response to my kiddo showing her the book she was reading on their first meeting was, "Well, I can see YOU're going to be trouble!" :rotfl2:)
 
GA Mom here-

We have 5 days of unexcused absences that are allowed. After that, report cards are delayed, the child can be suspended (really?), and the parents can be held responsible.

We did take our kids out of school for years in November, usually for a few days after or before Thanksgiving, because there are 2 bithdays at that point- our kids are very good students so the teachers were always very accommodating. But, this year, our DS wants to go to Universal and Disney with a friend so we will be going in late July, early August (driving for the 1st time ever with two 8 year-old boys in the back seat-geez) and throwing him a birthday party in November. He's never had an official birthday party because, hey, WDW or a party? He's a great student but I think it is just time to not skip school anymore. I'd rather brave the crowds than for him to have to work harder at school.
 
I admit one of the main reasons I don't take my daughter out is because she's Dyslexic and ADHD Inattentive. She works her behind off for sure which is why 3 days after the school year is over, we are going to Disney for a week just like last year.

In our case, I just know (from experience when she missed 5 days of school due to illness) doing the makeup work with her after we got back along with the regular work was a nightmare. It would possibly make me regret taking the trip. But it is mainly because while an October or November trip would be great, I have control over when I take those trips. I don't have job restrictions or something else dictate that we go during school. We have though on multiple occassions gotten on the road as soon as she was in the van on a Friday to escape for a couple of days. Even that got hard because her class had assessments every Monday or Tuesday.

During the year though we do go regularly to see the Women's basketball team at my alma mater and we travel with them during their post season as well. I haven't had to take her out for that yet, because the last 2 years she had a teacher's workday fall on the exact Friday we were gone, and the team hasn't been to the final four since she was 4, but if I had to I would as I can't control the scheduling for that. She'd miss at most 3 days.

I think it helps her to watch these young ladies and it is a nice release for us. We also travel over the Thanksgiving holiday and I admit that by the time that time came this year I was really on edge. We went to a beach resort for the holiday and it did make all the difference. Had a very difficult time with consistency when it came to her accommodations this year.

So I'd do it for something if I had no control over the scheduling. But it is also true that she has been in private school and they are out before Memorial Day.

But we'll see how the coming year goes. We might be changing schools and the school I'm looking at has a couple of 4 day weekends in the fall. As soon as I saw the calendar, I went to check Disney prices. :lmao:
 
We have taken our children out of school just about every year for a week or more for vacation. We take their education very seriously - their complete education. School is only a tiny piece of that process. Our children attend schools that let us decide what is best for our children. My boys are 14 and 17 years old and this has never hurt their grades, and they are both honor roll students.

As for missing days before standardized tests - if a child has to study for a standardized test, there is a bigger problem than missed school.

You only have so much time with your children, as children. Invest it wisely.
 
hahah nothing against you at all. However, in our district 5th graders still get 1, 2 or 3 on their report card. Most teachers will NEVER give 3's in the first marking period because this way they can show improvement.

Also up to 5th grade the schools are very small, and they are still pretty regimented. 6th grade is middle school, and all the grammer schools converge. Kids have to use their lockers and move around and be responsible on their own. That's tougher on a kid than any subject matter.

Its different here- we have PreK-8 schools and 5th is considered part of the middle school. Kids quit getting check marks or numbers in second grade and have report cards like everyone else. We start them with the switching and lockers and responsibility part in fifth so they arent just thrown into it in sixth grade.
 
. . . all of the homework that they are going to miss. This takes a tremendous amount of time for the teacher to put together (and quite honestly, most kids never do it.) Instead ask the teacher what you can do to support your child's learning while away. He/she might suggest reading on the plane, or keeping a vacation journal... something like that . . .


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1) On this point I totally disagree !
2) Teachers are there to instruct and serve the children.
3) This includes providing lesson plans.
4) Our teachers (public and parochial) admitted it wasn't that time-consuming, as they already had their lesson plans.
5) When in school we took both out of school for vacations.
. . . some of us cannot take vacations during holidays or summers
. . . we fit them in during the school-year
6) EVERY YEAR.
. . . we didn't have any problems with schools or school staff
. . . only once did a school try to object
. . . after my visit and threatening legal action, the issue was resolved in our favor
7) We made sure their homework was done BEFORE leaving the hotel in the AM.
8) No homework, no vacation day!
9) So, when taking kids from school, DEMAND the lesson plans and force the kids to do them.
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This is why I always face palm when someone asks about taking their kids out of school for Disney. Not because I am against it, but because no one here can tell you 100% what will happen. Each schools, district, and state is different. The best advice:

1) Know the rules for your school, district, and state and make an educated decision based off of those. Saying "I didn't realize" doesn't cut it. The information is there. Use it.

2) If you decide to go even if it could mean breaking said rules, be willing to accept the consequences. If your child can't handle taking 0's on all tests and assignments missed and that is the district rule, then don't go.

3) Think about your child. Heck, ask them how they feel about missing X number of days. Some might not think it is a good idea and can give insight why. I would never have wanted to miss more then 3 days in High School because of how far behind i would be. It wasn't an easy curriculum even with me being an A/B student.
 
For those of you taking children out of school for a trip to WDW for the first time, keep this in mind...

Even if the teachers give you assignments ahead of time, don't count on getting much of it completed on your trip. We took our then kindergarten boys to WDW last Spring and tried to do a little work each day. After two attempts, we gave up. They were either too distracted or too tired and the whole thing was counterproductive.

We did what we could while in the parks (found sight words, things that start with "t," counted Mickeys, etc.) and that was enough. They made up the work, with my help after we got back.

We will hopefully be going again next year when they are in second grade and I won't think twice about having them miss up to five days.
 
We drive from the Chicago area, so getting the work ahead of time is a blessing! By the time we get down there, with an overnight stop, most of the work is done. We save any tough stuff for the hotels when it's easier for me to be one on one with them.
 
For those of you taking children out of school for a trip to WDW for the first time, keep this in mind...

Even if the teachers give you assignments ahead of time, don't count on getting much of it completed on your trip. We took our then kindergarten boys to WDW last Spring and tried to do a little work each day. After two attempts, we gave up. They were either too distracted or too tired and the whole thing was counterproductive.

We did what we could while in the parks (found sight words, things that start with "t," counted Mickeys, etc.) and that was enough. They made up the work, with my help after we got back.

We will hopefully be going again next year when they are in second grade and I won't think twice about having them miss up to five days.

Just want to say... These sorts of activities are awesome for young kids, and should be done every day, where ever you go, regardless of whether you're on vacation or not.

Even something as simple as a trip to the grocery store is an opportunity for reading (labels), writing (lists), and math (estimating prices, calculating tax, handling money).

If you make this a regular habit, it's highly unlikely you'll have to worry about your children's academic achievement in the elementary grades (and you'll know sooner than even their teachers if there's a learning issue).
 
I take my kids out every year. Lower crowds + Less money = A better time. We are going the 2nd week of school this year. However i think this might be the last year we will do it, since my son will be starting middle school in 2015. Also, our school has a no work "before" the trip policy. They will only give you the work when they get back. It makes life easier for the teachers. Also, homework on vacation? No way! It's vacation. They'll get it done when they get back. We've never gotten any guff from teachers and they are pretty lenient about the make up work.
 
I 100 percent agree and well said :), and I also believe that as a parent you know your child better than anyone else does. Unfortunately there are many out there that think they know what is better for a child than their own parents.

Main reason I want to home school, because I know what is best for my child.

I agree, the parent knows their child and their own situation best! :) Good luck with homeschooling, if you decide to go that route. There are many days I wish we had! Luckily we ended up in a small school with an educational philosophy that agrees with ours, and that respects our role as parents. GL!
 

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