Teacher's advice on missing school

I'm also curious about the concept of not knowing how to do the work if you haven't had the lesson. Shouldn't the textbook HAVE the lesson? If it doesn't, doesn't that mean it's a pretty rotten textbook?
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I teach Latin to all the levels in my school (including some 8th graders). Yes, it would be nice if they could understand what the book is talking about (nominative, cases, tenses, etc), but we don't have those things in English that they can relate to, so, no, sometimes the textbook cannot teach the lesson that they're missing while they're off visiting Mickey and Rapunzel.
 
To the OP:

Thank you for the tone of your original post. You shared suggestions with a good tone and the best intentions without being judgmental or harsh. Good advice is best when communicated nicely! I particularly appreciate your saying, "Of course each child is different, and you know yours best." As a non-teacher parent whose kids are now grown, sadly, many do not know best, but it is the proper thing to assume.

This is a subject that gets passions heated, Disney or school, parents or teachers, etc., etc.. Unfortunately many parents and teachers don't say things the best way and can be judgmental from either side. You were not.

The kids are the parents responsibility and they have rights to make decisions. Teachers work hard and do a great deal to educate our children. I appreciate both. Fortunately for my wife and I we had some great teachers along the way, a good school district, and we did some homeschooling.

With some forethought, planning, and cooperation with the school I think parents can find a proper balance of Disney and their child's education. We were successful with both.
 
I'm also curious about the concept of not knowing how to do the work if you haven't had the lesson. Shouldn't the textbook HAVE the lesson? If it doesn't, doesn't that mean it's a pretty rotten textbook?
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Aside from one child who has a math book, neither of my kids have textbooks. None of the papers that come home have any kind of instructional material on them - it's just "do this" which means that all the instruction comes during school. It's not the kids taking turns reading a paragraph of the social studies book aloud as the lesson like when I was a kid.
 
To the OP:

Thank you for the tone of your original post. You shared suggestions with a good tone and the best intentions without being judgmental or harsh. Good advice is best when communicated nicely! I particularly appreciate your saying, "Of course each child is different, and you know yours best." As a non-teacher parent whose kids are now grown, sadly, many do not know best, but it is the proper thing to assume.

This is a subject that gets passions heated, Disney or school, parents or teachers, etc., etc.. Unfortunately many parents and teachers don't say things the best way and can be judgmental from either side. You were not.

The kids are the parents responsibility and they have rights to make decisions. Teachers work hard and do a great deal to educate our children. I appreciate both. Fortunately for my wife and I we had some great teachers along the way, a good school district, and we did some homeschooling.

With some forethought, planning, and cooperation with the school I think parents can find a proper balance of Disney and their child's education. We were successful with both.

Thanks for the kind comments. A few pages ago, I began to regret starting this thread.....
We all feel so very passionate about our kids, and that is a good thing. I certainly didn't mean to poke the bear!
 

Curious if these state regulations everyone is citing apply to private schools as well? I attended Catholic school and my parents took my out for two full weeks for a Disney trip in middle school. No one said boo about it, I got my assignments ahead of time without any teacher getting huffy about it, and all was well when I returned.

I don't have kids yet, but I'm a little surprised at how some of these districts/teachers react (legal action? jail time? what!) to parents making this informed decision. To me, it's a little bit overstepping of bounds... parents know what the downsides are to taking their kids out for a vacation (or something else legit).
 
Wow. I was totally unaware of the differences from state to state, school district to school district that occurs. Rightfully, the districts have the right to determine rules for their students. I know here, our school board elections can be contentious.

That said, I have taken my children out of school for vacations exactly twice. Both were to go to Orlando, as other venues are more accommodating during school breaks. Once I took them out for three days (when school was scheduled for 3 days that week) and the other was for two days (three day break in October for teacher convention and prep day). I was told these would be listed as "unexcused absences" but since the children had seldom missed a day of school. Fast forward to April when my DD breaks her knee participating in a sport (not for school...private) and suddenly, her missing a bunch of school is a big deal. For Pete's sake, she broke her knee Friday, went to school in a brace Monday and Tuesday, had an MRI on Wednesday, went to school on Thursday, had surgery on Friday and was out another week. Considering that 50 people in that school watched her break her knee, and she was honored at a school assembly, I still had to get a doctor's note.

Common sense sometimes gets thrown out the window when policies are involved. I understand truancy can be a serious issue. However, the parent who attends every EIP, fully armed with doctor recommendations. an OT's recommendations and home plans and whose other child never misses a day should not be subjected to such scare tactics as the DA.

It's kind of insulting really. I know the teachers don't pick these rules. Check with your School Board/Board of Education.
 
That said, I have taken my children out of school for vacations exactly twice. Both were to go to Orlando, as other venues are more accommodating during school breaks. Once I took them out for three days (when school was scheduled for 3 days that week) and the other was for two days (three day break in October for teacher convention and prep day). I was told these would be listed as "unexcused absences" but since the children had seldom missed a day of school. Fast forward to April when my DD breaks her knee participating in a sport (not for school...private) and suddenly, her missing a bunch of school is a big deal. For Pete's sake, she broke her knee Friday, went to school in a brace Monday and Tuesday, had an MRI on Wednesday, went to school on Thursday, had surgery on Friday and was out another week. Considering that 50 people in that school watched her break her knee, and she was honored at a school assembly, I still had to get a doctor's note.

Common sense sometimes gets thrown out the window when policies are involved. I understand truancy can be a serious issue. However, the parent who attends every EIP, fully armed with doctor recommendations. an OT's recommendations and home plans and whose other child never misses a day should not be subjected to such scare tactics as the DA.

It's kind of insulting really. I know the teachers don't pick these rules. Check with your School Board/Board of Education.

I understand what you're saying, but, if they are ever audited by an educational agency (in my case, TEA), they could get into big trouble for not having the documentation to back up their decision to call it a doctor's note/excused absence. We are told to document, document, document.
 
nkereina said:
Curious if these state regulations everyone is citing apply to private schools as well? I attended Catholic school and my parents took my out for two full weeks for a Disney trip in middle school. No one said boo about it, I got my assignments ahead of time without any teacher getting huffy about it, and all was well when I returned.

I don't have kids yet, but I'm a little surprised at how some of these districts/teachers react (legal action? jail time? what!) to parents making this informed decision. To me, it's a little bit overstepping of bounds... parents know what the downsides are to taking their kids out for a vacation (or something else legit).

IME, parochial/private schools are not required to follow the same rules as public schools are.

As for it seeming to be stepping out of bounds...it may feel like it for many people here, but the people here aren't the reason why those rules are in place. Conscientious parents who just want to go on vacation aren't the main problem, though they unfortunately get caught up in it. The problem more lies with those out there that do *not* ensure their child goes.to school. I have worked at an inner city school where children were absent or tardy because their parents didn't feel like getting them to school. There were parents who did not value their child's education at all, and I was told "being a Walmart cashier is good enough for me, it is good enough for my child." The public education system is equally responsible for educating these children, and sometimes it is necessary for an.outside.authority to step in for that to happen.

As I said, it is unfortunate that conscientious parents get caught up in the same laws, but after working where I have worked and hearing what I've heard, I understand why those laws exist.
 
Curious if these state regulations everyone is citing apply to private schools as well? I attended Catholic school and my parents took my out for two full weeks for a Disney trip in middle school. No one said boo about it, I got my assignments ahead of time without any teacher getting huffy about it, and all was well when I returned.

I don't have kids yet, but I'm a little surprised at how some of these districts/teachers react (legal action? jail time? what!) to parents making this informed decision. To me, it's a little bit overstepping of bounds... parents know what the downsides are to taking their kids out for a vacation (or something else legit).

There's a lot more flexibility (in general) with private schools unless the school has decided to be strict.
 
My curriculum - as defined as the skills the children are to be taught by the end of the year - doesn't generally change, no. The rate at which those skills are taught can vary a from year to year, however, depending on how quickly (or not) the different classes each year pick up on the concepts. Teachers are also being taught to differentiate their instruction more and more depending on the strengths of their students. So the approach I take to teach a concept one year might be different the next year if I have a class that would.not work well with that approach. Teachers are also required to constantly take professional development courses, where they learn different resources and ideas for their subject each year.

How I would structure a lesson plan now, the resources I would use, etc are SO much different than how I would have done all of that 3 years ago.

As for my lesson plans being "done" already - yes, I have a basic idea of what I want to be doing the next week, but the plans are fluid. If the class shows me they aren't ready to move on to the next concept like I had been planning, my lesson plan for the next week would get altered to include more review of the previous concept (since the next concept generally builds off the previous one).

Most teachers I know work on lesson plans every week. It's not like teachers lesson plan every week out over the summer and then just go through them like a robot throughout the year. Lesson plans have to be flexible, and there's a lot of working on then throughout the year.



I don't speak for all teachers, but I don't just use one textbook in my class. I create my own lesson plans from many different places. I don't just follow the lessons laid out in the teacher's manual, and thus no the student textbook would not have my lesson.

I could NOT have said that better myself. :cheer2:
 
IME, parochial/private schools are not required to follow the same rules as public schools are.

As for it seeming to be stepping out of bounds...it may feel like it for many people here, but the people here aren't the reason why those rules are in place. Conscientious parents who just want to go on vacation aren't the main problem, though they unfortunately get caught up in it. The problem more lies with those out there that do *not* ensure their child goes.to school. I have worked at an inner city school where children were absent or tardy because their parents didn't feel like getting them to school. There were parents who did not value their child's education at all, and I was told "being a Walmart cashier is good enough for me, it is good enough for my child." The public education system is equally responsible for educating these children, and sometimes it is necessary for an.outside.authority to step in for that to happen.

As I said, it is unfortunate that conscientious parents get caught up in the same laws, but after working where I have worked and hearing what I've heard, I understand why those laws exist.

Right on the money!:worship:
 
I'm in Ontario, Canada. While policies vary from school district to school district, where I live attendance is handled extremely casually. There are no truancy officers in school. No truancy cases cluttering up family court. No minimum 5 or 6 days of unexcused absence or doctors notes required. Grade advancement is based on age until high school (when it's based on credits earned). And funding is not tied to butts in seats.

According to a family lawyer I know, truancy law is typically only invoked when there are other legal issues bringing the family to court, usually child neglect.

I know people who have taken children out for half a year or more, to travel to their homeland. I know children who, due to anxiety or learning issues, attend school half time. When I began homeschooling my children (and by the way, there's no oversight of homeschoolers here), the school made a point of telling me that if I wanted to have them drop in just for something like gym class, that would be absolutely fine.

And, somehow, this laissez-faire system seems to be working. Canada consistently ranks high on Mathematics and Reading in international standards. Not so hot in Science, but still well above the US. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0923110.html


I'm also curious about the concept of not knowing how to do the work if you haven't had the lesson. Shouldn't the textbook HAVE the lesson? If it doesn't, doesn't that mean it's a pretty rotten textbook? I was in grad school before the textbooks couldn't be relied upon (or we didn't even have a textbook and it was soley lecture-based), with the exception of a Linear Algebra book and an Organic Chemistry book later in college. (and sadly both involved horrible professors, one of whom was tenured and didn't care and had extra credit questions about the Beatles, and the other one was a creep who had such a curve that my 50% tests were a B-, and he just wanted women to come to this office for extra tutoring)

I agree, but sadly I have seen some texts and materials that specifically restrict all of the instruction to the teacher. Typically it's because the student manuals are intended to be reproduced and handed out sheet by sheet. So what you end up with are work pages that are incomprehensible without the teacher's guide.

It's a cheaper way to do things, but really unfortunate for a child who doesn't learn well in a lecture-based environment. If they miss the teacher's explanation, due to a physical issue such as fluid in their ears, or an attention issue, or a subtle learning difficulty, they're lost.

I've seen some depressingly crappy math texts, used by my own school district.


I'm now using Singapore for math with DS, and I bought the teacher manual for this set of books, and it's USELESS. I won't be buying the teacher manual going forward. I read through the lesson in the Textbook, go through it with DS, then he does the Workbook. The teacher manual is just to tell you "do this page of the textbook and this page of the workbook together" and also has extra things to do if the kids aren't getting it.

Singapore math is brilliant! I took my kids through it, combined with Miquon Math (check if out: http://miquonmath.com/). It completely changed how I look at math. Some of the topics I taught my daughter in Grades 3 and 4, are still coming up in high school math.

I support the public school system and think it's valuable and necessary. But I think both my kids got a significantly superior elementary math education at home. And I didn't make it past Grade 8 in math!

I teach Latin to all the levels in my school (including some 8th graders). Yes, it would be nice if they could understand what the book is talking about (nominative, cases, tenses, etc), but we don't have those things in English that they can relate to, so, no, sometimes the textbook cannot teach the lesson that they're missing while they're off visiting Mickey and Rapunzel.

When my kids took Latin, I actually broke out my old Cambridge Latin books, which explained everything an English speaker might need to know. And quite clearly, too!

A good beginner text, in any subject, should contain all the information a person needs to learn the material. But I do understand that teachers have to work with what the school district gives them, and this may not always be possible.

More than once, in Latin and Physics and other courses, we've had to go back to older, more clearly written, texts, in order for our kids to better grasp the material. I'm not impressed with many of the modern texts I've seen.

I don't have kids yet, but I'm a little surprised at how some of these districts/teachers react (legal action? jail time? what!) to parents making this informed decision. To me, it's a little bit overstepping of bounds... parents know what the downsides are to taking their kids out for a vacation (or something else legit).

I feel the same way, and in many of these districts, we'd have opted to homeschool. When I send my children to school, I expect the teachers to assist them in their learning and expand their knowledge base, particularly in areas I can't teach myself. I'm not abdicating responsibility for their education, and I don't like the idea of any institution having that much power over me and my child.

I will say, though, textbooks aside, I've been VERY impressed with the high school education my children have been receiving. They're learning concepts that weren't discussed at all in the eighties, when I was in high school. Even my daughter's doctor was impressed at how much of the university science curriculum has moved back to the high school level.
 
I agree with those who feel that the schools often have too much power. However, the districts don't make a secret of their policies, in fact ours practically shouts what their rules are from the rooftops. We made an informed decision to move to this district and we felt that it is proper to follow those same rules that we were made well aware of.

Up to a point anyway. Missing a day here and there was no big deal to me. I wouldn't have ever allowed DS to miss a full week though. I don't fault those who do.
 
Aside from one child who has a math book, neither of my kids have textbooks. None of the papers that come home have any kind of instructional material on them - it's just "do this" which means that all the instruction comes during school. It's not the kids taking turns reading a paragraph of the social studies book aloud as the lesson like when I was a kid.

Thanks to common core, our elementary schools pitched all the old textbooks. It is too soon to spend the big $$ on new ones....therefore, my 4th grader has no textbooks. By the time my younger kids are in 4th grade, they will have text books. Until then......it's really hard to help with homework.

We pull our kids out 5-1/2 days every September. The schools have never made a big deal about it, and were always helpful in getting the kids back on track once we return. I know this is extra effort on the teachers behalf, and I am very grateful to them, and let them know it! Once in Jr High, we will no longer do it. It would be too much stress on the kids and the teachers at that point.
 
I am a high-school student, and we have to ask our teachers for work if we are missing school-- it is mandatory. The office gives us a piece of paper for each teacher to sign and put work on, and we have to get it filled out. Each school is different. Most of my teachers are pretty laid-back and don't mind if we miss if we make up the work. Like I said, it really depends on what kind of student you are and what your teachers are like.
 
That's what I've always wondered when I read of teachers having a problem with it. Don't they have them prepared already? If not, why not? Unless your curriculum changes every single year, why don't you just have it all prepared?

Yikes, I'm so glad you are ok with teachers just pulling what they did last year and photocopying it! :sad2: Not all teachers do the same thing every year, nor are they in the same place or move at the same pace (as another teacher pointed out).

I'm also curious about the concept of not knowing how to do the work if you haven't had the lesson. Shouldn't the textbook HAVE the lesson? If it doesn't, doesn't that mean it's a pretty rotten textbook?

In my district, we have textbooks that are now "outdated" due to the Common Core standards being implemented. Even before now, we barely relied on the textbooks for the students because we believe in having an active part in the learning. What is the point of having a teacher if you have them just crack open a textbook and "teach" themselves?


Back to the original point of this thread, thank you OP for making this thread. I have learned a lot about what happens in other states as far as missing school to go on vacation. I have come to understand how other people view the idea and see how missing school can affect people differently. :thumbsup2
 
I'm a high school math teacher.

Forget about year to year-- my lessons change period to period. Would you really want me planning in August what I was going to teach your child the first week of May?? We've missed 4 snow days of school since Christmas.And missed a day for a faculty funeral in September. And I was out one day with a stomach bug in February. And what if your child didn't understand factoring the second week of January? And was absent with a stomach bug the week I taught polynomial division? Am I really supposed to forge on with those pre-made lessons regardless of what's going on in my classes? I realize it would make vacation planning far easier, but is that the education you want your kids to receive?

I've been teaching forever; Noah knew how to count the animals two by two because I taught him math. I'll walk into school next Monday knowing the topic I'm teaching. But each class will evolve its own way. First period will understand it the first time I go through it and will progress slowly from easy problems to more challenging ones. But 4th period will get through many fewer examples because they'll have a lot more questions. (Both are honors classes, and both had their share of 100% grades on the trimester exam. But they're different groups of kids, and tend to learn differently.) 5th period will joke around but still accomplish more than 4th. 8th period will be more like 1st in terms of what we accomplish.

So I don't have a strict lesson plan ready. I know what I'm teaching, and the actual problems we do will depend on how things go from period to period. They may or may not have the exact same homework.

Of course, should we have a fire drill, then all bets are off for that period.

For what it's worth, this year I've started something new: I post a short video online on any topic I teach. But it tends to be a 4-5 minute video. My kids love it-- they hear the same explanation they heard in class, using the same words, with the same emphasis. And it's short and consise enough that they feel it's worth their time to watch. But it's a supplement of what I've taught, not a replacement.

I'll be happy to teach anyone who shows up for class. If you're not there, you're not there. But I can't teach you if you're not there.

Miss a week of my class-- whether it be for a family funeral, the flu, or a Make a Wish vacation (all of that has happened this year)-- and you're going to be confused until you can get the notes, watch the video, and get to extra help. (Extra help is every day after school. ) It's not a matter of me being too lazy to provide you with lesson plans ahead of time; it would be easy enough to find a teacher's edition somewhere (sorry, I don't use one) and print some stuff up. But would it be an accurate reflection of what we covered in class? Not even close.

Oh, and as to the textbook: it's pretty close to impossible for a 14 year old kid to learn math from a textbook. Take a look at one some day-- pick up an Algebra I text and teach yourself to divide polynomials or do factoring by grouping. Or pick up a Trig textbook and teach yourself to verify a trig identity. Or to find the length of the altitude to the hypotenuse of a right triangle from a Geometry textbook.

The reality is that textbooks were never intended to take the place of teachers. They're to aid in the process, not replace it.
 
Just curious, question to the math teacher above.
Are teachers even required to give extra help if the student is absent for non-illness, family emergancy absences?? I could see that being an additional work-load issue. It's not like you didnt do your job, you did, but the student's family choose not to be present and missed out.
 
Just curious, question to the math teacher above.
Are teachers even required to give extra help if the student is absent for non-illness, family emergancy absences?? I could see that being an additional work-load issue. It's not like you didnt do your job, you did, but the student's family choose not to be present and missed out.

I give extra help every day-- as a math teacher, extra help is part of my job. But you need to show up with the notes and some questions. Not "teach me factoring" but a real question: ("Why did you do Eyeglass method here and Factoring by Grouping there?") Extra help is different from private tutoring.

So if you were out for a week, you can have the time you need to make up the work; I realize that I'm not your only teacher. But I'm not reteaching the material until after you've gone through it. Remember, you weren't the only absent. I had 3 kids out Monday, two with guidance passes and one still absent Tuesday, One of Monday's kids relapsed Wednesday, short periods because of an assembly and 4 kids absent on Thursday, and two of those kids were still absent Friday. I simply cannot reteach each of those lessons to each of those kids.

If you show up, I'll teach you. But if you're absent, regardless of the reason, it's your responsibility to get the notes and come to see me.
 
For race weekend in February, I missed a Thurdsay, Friday, and a Monday. It seemed that in conversation that I had with each teacher, if I mentioned I was going to Disney to run, they let up on what they were giving me. However, then a few other teachers didn't care and loaded it on. I ended up getting too far ahead in a few classes with the bookwork that I had been giving. But when I returned, there was a good chunk of work waiting for me even from the teachers that have me too much. Didn't make any sense.
(((Btw- not using disney as an excuse to miss work, if the teacher asked I told them, and they told me to enjoy my vacation))
 












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