Teacher forced to resign over inappropriate pics on her phone. Something is just wrong here

[Wishing on a star]

Love your post, Pea-n-me!!!!
Kids have to be potty trained by 24 months, start reading by 48 months, and do pre-algebra readiness in first grade.
But, they are also severely over-controlled until they grow up and rebel.
My son has a couple of friends where the control is just detrimental and incredible.
Completely and totally ridiculous and mind boggling.

PS: When my son was enrolled... He didn't have bathroom issues in his IEP, at all.
But, at the beginning of one school year, where it became obvious that his teacher was a bathroom Nazi, I did go immediately to our physician and get a note regarding bathroom issues and stress. (Needless to say, we did not begin to consider leaving him in that classroom after that)

So, yes, if a 504 or IEP is required for a child to be able to use the bathroom or get any other consideration, then it becomes fairly obvious why parents would be pursuing IEPs and 504s. No question.

 

[Hikergirl]

I think a limit on how many kids can be sent at once is reasonable (there are only so many stalls, and if they have to wait anyway, I'd rather have them waiting in class still hearing the lesson than waiting in line by the bathroom) but, I agree, a limit on how many times they can go in a semester is ridiculous!

As an adult mom I agree its ridiculous, but as someone who is young enough to remember HS it really isn't. I would leave the same classes everyday to use the bathroom, but it was to smoke not to actually use the bathroom. Teacher's aren't stupid, they can recognize a pattern so if you are asking to go to the restroom every time you are in their class, there is something going on other than needing to pee IMO.
I think the problem is that there are just too many students abusing the passes so schools have to do something about it. Unfortunately just like in the real world, the few bad apples ruin things for the whole bunch.

 

[mjkacmom]

When I was in high school in the 90s, if you were on the honor roll, you qualified for a special school ID that would function as a bathroom/hall pass during classes. The presumption being that honor roll kids really did have to use the bathroom and/or would go where they said, I guess. I had one, so bathroom passes weren't a big issue.

But in elementary, I had some IBS issues when my parents divorced and I have memories of my parents having to fight the school about allowing me to use the bathroom when I needed it. I also have a vivid memory of getting a nose bleed during a standardized test and the teacher allowed me to go to the restroom to clean up only because I'd finished that section. As if I would have done well with blood all over me and the desk!

I think if someone leaves the classroom during standardized testing, the who,e thing needs to be given again to the class?

 

[PaulaSB12]

It turns out the phone was password protected and the brat hacked it, then posted the pictures with threats on it to her husband. She didn't deserve to be sacked.

 

[gwynne]

It turns out the phone was password protected and the brat hacked it, then posted the pictures with threats on it to her husband. She didn't deserve to be sacked.

Not sure about the Young Turks source. Lots of reputable media sources have slightly different information on relevant details.

 

[Shmily1]

The bathroom issue is interesting to me. I try to see both sides of it but I do think, from what I've seen with my own kids, that it borders on the extreme.

From a nurse's perspective, here's how I see it. Kids are supposed to "go" when they have the urge. That's nature's way. "Holding it" isn't a good thing. It can lead to dehydration (kids don't want to drink if they know it's going to be a hassle to go to the bathroom), UTIs, constipation (if you don't go when you have the urge, the urge often goes away; do this constantly and the nerves in the bowels become dysfunctional) and even something like toxic shock syndrome (not to mention messy "accidents" during menses for girls). Add those to the social piece of kids not wanting to "go" in front of others. (I always told my kids to go to the nurses's office to go in private if they needed to go, but were embarrassed.) There are just so many health implications it sort of blows my mind that kids aren't allowed to go to the bathroom sometimes!

My DD doesn't have behavioral issues in school, yet she's been given a hard time about going before. OTOH, she has a classmate who routinely abuses hall passes so I get where teachers are coming from. I just think it's basically unhealthy to not be allowed to go to the bathroom when they need to go. There is actually a lot of anxiety for kids around bathroom issues from what I hear from school age kids. In our high school there are cameras outside the bathrooms now. One of DS's friends, who is as straight as an arrow, i.e. doesn't drink or smoke, etc, was "called in for questioning" because the smell of weed was detected in the bathroom and he was the last one seen going in there on camera. I mean, it's funny, knowing him, but it's not really funny. Kids are afraid to go the bathroom today!

Even further OT, this subject has caused me to think back on my own HS days. We used to be able to leave campus and come back if we had a study. It felt good to be able to do that, like we were starting to grow up and have some freedom. My kids' HS has some beautiful outdoor spaces but they are not even allowed to use them. They can't even go outside, let alone leave campus. And we all talk about how we don't allow kids to grow up. Now of course I get that there have been abuses by many, and things like lawsuits and whatnot, and that's led us to where we are today, etc. But not all kids are going to abuse the system here. Some will do the right thing, and maybe we should give them the chance to do so. Glad my kids have only about three months left of school and they can move on to college! [/rant]

I agree with you on the bathroom and kids needing to go. DD has always had UTI's since she was a baby (was suppose to outgrow them but hasn't because she didn't grow tall enough to outgrow the problem) and I had issues when she was in school. I called her urologist and asked for a letter to the principal and that did the trick. No more bathroom issues at all. I would always go with her the first day or meeting teachers and ask them would there be a problem and if they thought they needed a hard copy of the letter.

 

[hereyago]

It doesn't matter if she had it password coded or not.Sticky finger Steve shouldn't have touched it. No different then when people steal lunches at a work place, decorations at a cemetary.

If it isnt yours, keep your hands
off.

 

[gwynne]

It doesn't matter if she had it password coded or not.Sticky finger Steve shouldn't have touched it. No different then when people steal lunches at a work place, decorations at a cemetery.

If it isnt yours, keep your hands
off.

Well yea, that's pretty much how the world works when you are dealing with folks that have respect for others. Sadly we don't live in a perfect world. Not every high school student (or for that matter, adult) is respectful of boundaries. Thankfully, the one in question has been charged and is in juvenile detention.

 

[Hikergirl]

I wonder if the school will have a change of heart now. She wasn't contributing to the delinquency of minors if her phone was password protected, and she was out in the hall doing one of the duties of her job.

 

[gwynne]

I wonder if the school will have a change of heart now. She wasn't contributing to the delinquency of minors if her phone was password protected, and she was out in the hall doing one of the duties of her job.

The "Young Turks" source may not be accurate. All of the reputable media say otherwise about her phone being password protected.
He had no business touching it. None. He is right where he belongs, in juvenile detention.

I have no idea about what the written policies are about "delinquency" in that school district. Could just be the superintendent's very personally held opinion.

 

[mom2rtk]

If the brat hacked past her password, scrolled into her photos, took pictures on his phone and got back to his seat in the 4 minutes she was in the hall, the FBI should get him working on that hijacker's phone.

 

[hereyago]

Was it SFS (Sticky Finger Steve,lol)who put the pics in her mailbox as well? Isnt it illegal to mess with someone's mail box?

 

[Aliceacc]

^^My guess is that it's her work "mailbox"-- a cubby in the office, and not a branch of the US Postal Service.

 

[rigs32]

I think if someone leaves the classroom during standardized testing, the who,e thing needs to be given again to the class?

So I should have just bled all over? I'm very sensitive to dry air in the winter and back in the 80s no one really paid attention to hydration, so I'm sure that was part of it.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

Double post.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

So I should have just bled all over? I'm very sensitive to dry air in the winter and back in the 80s no one really paid attention to hydration, so I'm sure that was part of it.

Sadly, some people think all rules are to be obeyed no matter how ridiculous, without question or challenge.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

^^My guess is that it's her work "mailbox"-- a cubby in the office, and not a branch of the US Postal Service.

Apparently it was her home mailbox.

 

[Kathryn Merteuil]

Apparently it was her home mailbox.

I heard that too. If that is the case, surely they could find another charge on the federal level for that little monster.

 

[VanessainWonderland]

In don't think she is at fault at all here. Some kid, with apparently no morals, stole her phone and invaded her privacy. Period. That was the crime. This is absurd.

 

[pjweaver]

I can not put into words how outraged I am over this without becoming liable myself. Needless to say I expect that the super will be gone soon with a golden parachute and the kid (who should have federal charges pressed against him) will get a week long suspension, while the teacher will never get another job as an educator and be forced to work a minimum wage job.