Teacher fired for old porno flick...

[DVC Sadie]

Before I ask my question, I wanna make it clear that if the schools are OK with having a former porn star for a teacher, fine with me. It's got a big Ew factor, so I'd just dive into denial, pretend I didn't know about it. None of my beezwax, anyway. (Which puts me in the position of sorta agreeing with Declan'sdad! )

There's been a lot of talk about the fact that since it was Legal, it is OK. Which gets me to thinking (here's the question)...Why is it illegal to do the deed for money, but OK to the deed for money if it is being filmed for the purpose of making even more money??? And why don't Ladies of the Evening just hook up cameras and say they are making films, thereby legalizing their, um, profession?

I wouldn't care if both options were legal, I'm not arguing that. I honestly don't get the distinction.

I don't know why it isn't the same but I'd like the answer to that as well.

 

[declansdad]

Before I ask my question, I wanna make it clear that if the schools are OK with having a former porn star for a teacher, fine with me. It's got a big Ew factor, so I'd just dive into denial, pretend I didn't know about it. None of my beezwax, anyway. (Which puts me in the position of sorta agreeing with Declan'sdad! )

There's been a lot of talk about the fact that since it was Legal, it is OK. Which gets me to thinking (here's the question)...Why is it illegal to do the deed for money, but OK to the deed for money if it is being filmed for the purpose of making even more money??? And why don't Ladies of the Evening just hook up cameras and say they are making films, thereby legalizing their, um, profession?

I wouldn't care if both options were legal, I'm not arguing that. I honestly don't get the distinction.

I'm not sure of the answer but in Canada, prostitution is not the illegal act it is the solicitation. Maybe this is the difference.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I'm not sure of the answer but in Canada, prostitution is not the illegal act it is the solicitation. Maybe this is the difference.

Don't the film-makers solicit? Like, put out ads, have offices where people can come, that sort of thing?

I have to find a criminal lawyer or something. Enquiring minds want to know!

 

[teacherforhi]

I also just want a good teacher in the classroom. If you think about it, our total life experiences make us who we are, and influence how we deal with situations and people. I would NOT want a virginal unmarried school marm or man for that matter teaching my kids. I want someone who has lived life and, realistically, made both good and bad choices that they've learned from, because they are going to be the most enlightened and best able to cope with a whole classroom of questioning kids! Someone who's lived their life in a squeaky clean bubble, IMHO, just doesn't have the means to cope realistically with todays kids.

So because I'm not married and choose to not engage in sex before marriage, I'm not good enough to teach your children?

 

[LindsayDunn228]

My thoughts also. The poster not only knows who Jena and Ron are, but knows how to spell their names correctly. Did they copy the names from the video box over there on their coffee table?

In that poster's defense, I had never heard of Ron Jeremy until I saw him on The Surreal Life.

 

[LindsayDunn228]

So because I'm not married and choose to not engage in sex before marriage, I'm not good enough to teach your children?

For what it's worth, I think you would more than an excellent candidate. I wish more folks would follow your lead.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

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Originally Posted by Lisa loves Pooh

But in this day an age....I seriously thought the virgin unmarried school marm was a thing of the past.

According to you--evidently it is not.




Lisa, when was that standard in place? I don't remember it, and I'm much older than I like to admit.

Also, going from "virgin unmarried" to Miss big gulp in a porn movie is one extreme to the other, don't you think?

Well were talking a span of a hundred years and more--a lot has changed since back then.

Just googled something and came up that in the UK in 1945--was when they dropped the requirement that teachers remain single or resign in favor male breadwinners.

In our country--I don't know when it was--but it was a very similar thing.

I had seen written somewhere of "old laws" that existed and a female teacher could not be seen doing improper things (like be out at night regardless of purpose).

so we have come a long way since that.

I do not condone posing, filming whatever---but for something a decade ago--that is overkill. And unless she was working for a religious institution--I think the public school playing morality police is silly.


It is an extreme to take the leap--but those who are saying we need to be concerned about the kids and if you have something in your past is inappropriate--well you should not be allowed to teach.

I think just short of hiring a nun--as long as a teacher is following proper comportment in their teaching career...they should not be held to higher standards than a standard white collar job is all I am saying. (nothing against blue collar--but I just don't see someone getting terminated from the fry line at Burger King for something they did 10 years ago that was not illegal).


I understand the whole contract thing--in Florida we are a right to work state--so you could have done nothing wrong and still be asked not to return.

I don't know what goes on a public school teacher application--but trying my darnedest to think of where this would fall.

yes I do have a problem with what she did--however I also have a problem with how her termination may have been handled. The few things in life you could do that mark you for life.

She could be a repented born again Christian--but will always have to wear the mark of her soiled past. I just don't get it and it screams of hypocracy.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I just don't get it and it screams of hypocracy.

OK, I'll bite. How is it hypocritical?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

http://www.wvculture.org/HiStory/journal_wvh/wvh56-4.html

Link for the history of discrimination against married teachers in West Virginia.

 

[paigevz]

On our application, it asks if you've ever been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude..........she wasn't convicted, so could've answered no on one of ours. However, in our contract, we are held to the manual,and the manual states something about not engaging in moral turpitude, or in activities that may be deemed moral turpitude...............

..............I guess it would fall there. It doesn't say anything about having been involved in such a thing in the past but not "caught" at it, though, but I think most employees would realize it could be a problem if brought to light.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I'm kind of slow, so spell it out for me. Still not seeing the hypocrisy.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Is that "have you ever" or is it a statement of "in the present"?


I wonder if someone just really didn't like her and dug up some dirt on her.

Also--I do find it interesting that parents are coming to her defense. Is there any parents campaigning for her dismissal--or is it just the admin.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm kind of slow, so spell it out for me. Still not see the hypocrisy.

If just ONE person has no problem with porn--but wishes to terminate her--then it is hypocritical.

If just ONE person has an imperfect past--but can keep their cushy job with the school or the district. That is hypocritical.

She did this 10 years ago--if just ONE person has an a blemished (yet legal) record or say did some illegal things but just didn't get caught.....well...that would be hypocritical as well.

I didn't say it was hypocritical--I said it screamed of it "to me". They hypocrite radar is going off big time!

And I have Harper Valley PTA playing in my head as a result.

 

[paigevz]

Is that "have you ever" or is it a statement of "in the present"?


I wonder if someone just really didn't like her and dug up some dirt on her.

Also--I do find it interesting that parents are coming to her defense. Is there any parents campaigning for her dismissal--or is it just the admin.

Have you ever been convicted.............is how it's worded on the application. Here, I'll go online and find the manual wording for our district...........be right back...........

by the by, I do think it sounds very like someone wanted her out and was handed a way to get it done..............

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

thanks paige.

I know in other jobs--there wouldn't be a place for me to admit something like that. (ETA: Nothing like THAT for me to admit though.) And in any coaching situation--they tell you to not share that type of information unless the employer brings it up in the interview and it is legal for them to ask.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I just don't get it and it screams of hypocracy.

I didn't say it was hypocritical--I said it screamed of it "to me".

You did say it was hypocritical. In fact, you said it screamed of hypocrisy.

But I think I get what you meant. You meant unjust, right? You aren't saying the people themselves did this stuff.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You did say it was hypocritical. In fact, you said it screamed of hypocrisy.

But I think I get what you meant. You meant unjust, right? You aren't saying the people themselves did this stuff.

Yes that is what I meant.

I do mix up my words--I wish I were more articulate. It is a frustrating thing for me at times.

 

[TCPluto]

I don't believe for a minute that she went from zero to porn actress overnight, for only one movie. Life just isn't like that, you've got to work yourself into that position. Sometimes, for some people, things happen faster than others, but overnite??

Could it be that there is a plethora of other information that hasn't been made public, and that was used as justification to dismiss her? I think the answer is yes.

This surely wasn't made public by the school, but by the teacher. What was her motivation?

With a three paragraph article to form such strong opnions on, doesn't anyone think they're being a bit hasty in coming to any conclusion? Do you suppose (or hope) that the school board had more information??

I think they did....

 

[paigevz]

Sorry it took so long, I had trouble loading it........had to get out of all other windows first, I do hate dial-up.

Here's the part in the manual about this sort of thing. It doesn't specify a time for the crime...........do we know if she was charged with a crime? But anyway, before the moral turpitude is just plain immorality..........that's just soooo open to interpretation there.





Any teacher employed under a continuing contract may be released at the end of any school year, or returned to probationary contract employment as stated in the teacher's contract that existed on or before September 1, 1995, and pursuant to the procedures provided for one or more of the following reasons:
GROUNDS
Immorality.
Conviction of any felony or other crime involving moral turpitude.
Drunkenness.
Repeated failure to comply with official directives and established Board policy.
Physical or mental incapacity preventing performance of the contract of employment.
Repeated and continuing neglect of duties.
Incompetency in performance of duties.
Failure to comply with such reasonable requirements as the Board may prescribe for achieving professional improvement and growth.
Willful failure to pay debts.
Habitual use of addictive drugs or hallucinogens.
Excessive use of alcoholic beverages.
Necessary reduction of personnel by the District. Such reductions shall be made in the reverse order of seniority in the specific teaching fields.
For good cause as determined by the Board, and defined in Section 21.156 of the Texas Education Code [see DFCA] and in accordance with the procedures provided. [See DF and DFD]
[See DCC(LEGAL), DFCA(LEGAL), DFD(LEGAL) and DNB(LEGAL)]

TERMINATION OR SUSPENSION DURING YEAR Any teacher employed under a continuing contract may be discharged or suspended during the school year as stated in the teacher's contract that existed on or before September 1, 1995, and pursuant to the procedures provided for one or more of the following reasons:
GROUNDS
Immorality.
Conviction of any felony or other crime involving moral turpitude.
Drunkenness.
Repeated failure to comply with official directives and established Board policy.
Physical or mental incapacity preventing performance of the contract of employment.
Repeated and continuing neglect of duties.
For good cause as determined by the Board, and defined in Section 21.156 of the Education Code [see DFCA] and in accordance with the procedures provided. [See DF and DFD]

DUE PROCESS Before any teacher is released from employment, the teacher shall be afforded the required due process. [See DFCA(LEGAL)]
SUSPENSION WITH PAY A teacher with a probationary or continuing contract may be suspended with pay or placed on administrative leave by the Superintendent during an investigation of alleged misconduct by the teacher or at any time the Superintendent determines that the District's best interest will be served by the suspension or administrative leave.
SUSPENSION WITHOUT PAY The Board delegates to the Superintendent the authority to suspend a teacher without pay in accordance with provisions of DFCA(LEGAL).

 

[declansdad]

I don't believe for a minute that she went from zero to porn actress overnight, for only one movie. Life just isn't like that, you've got to work yourself into that position. Sometimes, for some people, things happen faster than others, but overnite??

Could it be that there is a plethora of other information that hasn't been made public, and that was used as justification to dismiss her? I think the answer is yes.

This surely wasn't made public by the school, but by the teacher. What was her motivation?

With a three paragraph article to form such strong opnions on, doesn't anyone think they're being a bit hasty in coming to any conclusion? Do you suppose (or hope) that the school board had more information??

I think they did....

It didn't say she was a porno star but that she appeared in a porno film. There is a big difference.

Seems to me that you are reaching a conclusion with the same amount of information as everyone else.