Tax return is nearly $3000 LESS because I worked part-time last year!

[ohlas]

I think the point is if they don't do the work, they don't get the money. Makes sense to me.

wow you are out of touch big time. i didnt say they wouldnt show up, i meant they werent going to do a good job, what are u going to do if they dont pick up trash send them back to their room. lets get white horse and whips it worked once... lets make the poor slaves again wait min. im the slave to them now thru my taxes.

 

[kamik86]

good luck getting a lazy person that just wantz their check to pick up trash. hell most of them dont clean their own trash off the streets in the gettho opps i meant free houseing and they get free trash service too.which is $12 a month for at my non free housing...

Ah but everyone wants a way to distinguish those that are down on their luck, can't find work, can't afford child care to work, etc from those that are just lazy. This is the way.

As I said above I don't care at all if an adult starves because they are too lazy to get this job. I don't care if they starve because they wouldn't work at the job or show up, etc. (Oh yeah we would provide a bus service for these jobs so its not because you don't have a car that you didn't show up). I consider it neglect to not get one of these jobs so you can feed your kids and thus have no problem taking them away from you so they can eat in a place where someone cares enough about them to feed them.

I do care about the people that care about themselves at least enough to try which is why I'm willing to give them a government subsidized guaranteed job and not just say we shouldn't pay them at all.

 

[kamik86]

wow you are out of touch big time. i didnt say they wouldnt show up, i meant they werent going to do a good job, what are u going to do if they dont pick up trash send them back to their room. lets get white horse and whips it worked once... lets make the poor slaves again wait min. im the slave to them now thru my taxes.

I'm picturing this like college work study. Your guaranteed a job if you want one if you qualify for work study. The college MUST give you one so you can earn the amount on your aid papers. However you can still be fired from this job. If you get fired there is a waiting period of say a year before you can apply again and you have a greater chance of being denied.

Some people aren't going to get their check this way. I understand that and find it part of the point. They won't be slaves... they have the option to not work and not get paid we aren't going to put them in prision if they choose that.

 

[ohlas]

What number did you base that on? Your Total Income or your Taxable Income? I'm guessing 'taxable'. Try it against your total income. I'm guessing you'll be <10%.

no i did it off of total income then what taxes we will pay this year. You think i have -10 % why because i have written english lanuage problem. lol

nope product of gettho school district and learning disability, I talk perfect english, but spelling and sentence structure is horrible.

woo hoo go me Im up to 4rd grade writting level, but think what u want. present income this last year is just under 118k. last year we made around 80k i didnt work, but hubby worked 3 jobs.

 

[ccgirl]

I'm not including credits. I just looked up IRS 1040A. Here are the appropriate lines...

15 (Total Income)
27 (Taxable Income)
37 (Total Tax)

Do you have a link for this by any chance?

 

[sam_gordon]

no i did it off of total income then what taxes we will pay this year. You think i have -10 % why because i have written english lanuage problem. lol

nope product of gettho school district and learning disability, I talk perfect english, but spelling and sentence structure is horrible.

woo hoo go me Im up to 4rd grade writting level, but think what u want. present income this last year is just under 118k. last year we made around 80k i didnt work, but hubby worked 3 jobs.

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to insult you at all. I had suggested checking two places (total income & taxable income). I was trying to clarify which one you had used.

 

[kamik86]

Do you have a link for this by any chance?

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040a.pdf has the 1040A form.

 

[sam_gordon]

Do you have a link for this by any chance?

IRS Form 1040A

Is this what you're looking for?

 

[ccgirl]

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040a.pdf has the 1040A form.

IRS Form 1040A

Is this what you're looking for?

Sorry...I pay someone to do my taxes. So, to find out my percentage if I know how much we make.....what do I do?

 

[sam_gordon]

Hopefully you have a breakdown (or you 1040 form).

Somewhere there are these three numbers...

Total Income
Taxable Income (which is total income +/- adjustments)
Total Tax

Once you get those three numbers (if you have a 1040A, I've given you the line numbers). The formula(s) you want to use...

Total Tax divided by Total Income OR Taxable Income times 100.

So if your total income is 50,000, your taxable income 24,000, and your total tax 2500, your forumals look like the following:

2500/50000*100 = 5% of total income
2500/24000*100 = 10.4% of taxable income.

 

[ccgirl]

Hopefully you have a breakdown (or you 1040 form).

Somewhere there are these three numbers...

Total Income
Taxable Income (which is total income +/- adjustments)
Total Tax

Once you get those three numbers (if you have a 1040A, I've given you the line numbers). The formula(s) you want to use...

Total Tax divided by Total Income OR Taxable Income times 100.

So if your total income is 50,000, your taxable income 24,000, and your total tax 2500, your forumals look like the following:

2500/50000*100 = 5% of total income
2500/24000*100 = 10.4% of taxable income.

Ahhh...that's the problem! I won't have all those numbers until next week.

 

[luvsJack]

I worked my way thru college, parents made too much money and I rec'd no financial aid.. My wife grew up quite poor, she too worked, took out loans, had a few scholarships.. It can be done, just requires hard work..

I would be willing to bet that the exec people at GM worked a heck of a lot more than 40 hours per week during their years at GM..

I am working full time/ going to school full time right now. I did the same for my AA degree. Good for us. Did you have children when you worked through college? Did your wife? Its a whole different story when you do.

I am not saying that anyone CAN'T learn a job skill to help them make more money, but you cannot expect someone to tell their kids "hold on honey, I will buy you some food in 6 weeks when I get out of school". The programs I spoke of are 6 weeks or less. They don't need to get loans because it would only hurt the colleges in the long run because of the number that may not finish or not pay the loans back. There are only so many work study positions at a school, but that could be an alternative too.

I really don't care how many hours they worked or when they worked them. If just a few of them had been willing to give up those bonuses to keep from hurting the working man, I may look at things a little different. I would rather see my money go to a struggling family that is just trying to make it than in the pocket of on of them.

another layer to this discussion was you work or are in school full time to learn a trade, college and we will watch your kids etc etc and support you.
Its a nice idea the problem is you will still always have people that will not beable to work or dont want tooo... and then what if they really cannt find a job.

Still going to have bottom, middle, top class system... no way around it.

And if im a non working living off the system in the gettho,,, i have all the grants to go to a community college or state university if i can get there and get someone to watch my kids.

Of course there will always be a class system. That doesn't mean you allow children to starve. Its the "teach a man to fish" theory. If they have the ability to obtain a job but yet refuse one, then they can be considered as taking advantage and cut from receiving aid. As long as they are actively trying (with documentation from the employement office), they should be able to receive aid, not much someone can do about not being able to find a job.

I find your "ghetto" remark offensive. But other than that, at least the person getting "all the grants" (btw, there is only Pell and maybe two other small grants available) is getting an education. If they drop classes or fail their classes, they lose financial aid.

And the government is not "watching kids", they are paying a supplement to help pay for child care while someone is in school or working. You have to be penniless, almost, to get it and it is paid straight to the center.

good luck getting a lazy person that just wantz their check to pick up trash. hell most of them dont clean their own trash off the streets in the gettho opps i meant free houseing and they get free trash service too.which is $12 a month for at my non free housing...

Everyone of government assistance is not lazy. Many are uneducated, some just cannot find a job. "walk a mile in his shoes" and all, ya know?

You said you are making $118,000 a year and you begrudge $12 a month? really?

wow you are out of touch big time. i didnt say they wouldnt show up, i meant they werent going to do a good job, what are u going to do if they dont pick up trash send them back to their room. lets get white horse and whips it worked once... lets make the poor slaves again wait min. im the slave to them now thru my taxes.

Those remarks are just too sickening for words.

 

[ccgirl]

I am working full time/ going to school full time right now. I did the same for my AA degree. Good for us. Did you have children when you worked through college? Did your wife? Its a whole different story when you do.

I am not saying that anyone CAN'T learn a job skill to help them make more money, but you cannot expect someone to tell their kids "hold on honey, I will buy you some food in 6 weeks when I get out of school". The programs I spoke of are 6 weeks or less. They don't need to get loans because it would only hurt the colleges in the long run because of the number that may not finish or not pay the loans back. There are only so many work study positions at a school, but that could be an alternative too.

I really don't care how many hours they worked or when they worked them. If just a few of them had been willing to give up those bonuses to keep from hurting the working man, I may look at things a little different. I would rather see my money go to a struggling family that is just trying to make it than in the pocket of on of them.



Of course there will always be a class system. That doesn't mean you allow children to starve. Its the "teach a man to fish" theory. If they have the ability to obtain a job but yet refuse one, then they can be considered as taking advantage and cut from receiving aid. As long as they are actively trying (with documentation from the employement office), they should be able to receive aid, not much someone can do about not being able to find a job.

I find your "ghetto" remark offensive. But other than that, at least the person getting "all the grants" (btw, there is only Pell and maybe two other small grants available) is getting an education. If they drop classes or fail their classes, they lose financial aid.

And the government is not "watching kids", they are paying a supplement to help pay for child care while someone is in school or working. You have to be penniless, almost, to get it and it is paid straight to the center.



Everyone of government assistance is not lazy. Many are uneducated, some just cannot find a job. "walk a mile in his shoes" and all, ya know?

You said you are making $118,000 a year and you begrudge $12 a month? really?



Those remarks are just too sickening for words.

Yes, the remarks are quite offensive and full of excuses. Go back and read her post. It is her DH that makes the money not her. One question for her...what if, God forbid, something happened to your DH or he left you and you were on your own? That is how some people needing assistance got into their predicament. Would you be able to earn the same 6 figure salary? Could you support yourself and your children (sorry, can't remember if you have children) on your salary alone? BTW, I grew up in the "ghetto" too and my sister has documented learning disabilities as well but she graduated National Honor Society and ended up with a Master's Degree. I guess it has made us more tolerant of those that really need the assistance due to no fault of their own (those people do exist BTW).

 

[palavra]

So we should just throw the document away? Or just pick and choose when we follow it based on political beliefs and what will get people elected?

Are you being serious? Did I say anything about abolishing the Constitution? What does picking and choosing have to do with anything? You can't pick and choose something that isn't in the document!

The U.S. Constitiution includes many overarching ideas but very few specifics to allow for the growth and change of our nation. One of those general ideas include "promoting the general welfare." In other words, the well-being of U.S. citizens. If a significant portion of citizens in the U.S. today are out of work or struggling financially, I would think our general welfare is being negatively affected.

 

[palavra]

there are always going to be poor people. there are always going to be people that need the basics, housing, food and min clothing.

the government isnt just giving out the basics anymore they are giving out free laptops, bonuses to top management etc etc. waste waste. and as a citizen that pays for small portion of this im getting really sick of it.

Until you are one of those "poor people" who, through no fault of your own loses your job, can't pay your mortgage and ends up on the street.

 

[palavra]

What those that support all of these welfare and other handout programs are overlooking is that people such as myself don't like seeing people struggle, in a perfect world everyone in this country would have a house, 2 cars, 2 kids and a dog to take on their yearly vacations and spend their happy Christmas with..

But thats not reality.. whats really happening is all of these programs are strangling middle America because we simply can't afford them.. I need to worry about my family, not just today or this week or month, but 30 years from now as well.. And THATS top priority here.

And that's a large part of the problem-this rugged individual me and mine first mentality. Of course your think this way now becuase your have steady employment, good health and I am assuming, healthy children. Now suppose all that was taken away. You can't tell me that you feel that same.

My sister will soon have to go on government assitance because she is divorcing an abusive husband. Her husband, when things were going well for them, wanted her to stay home with their two year old. So, now, they are getting divorced and because they have been married less than 2 years, he will not have to pay any alimony. He will have to pay child support, but not nearly enough for my sister to afford housing as well. She is left with the double-edged sword of being able to find a job in this economy that pays well enough to live of off while also paying 1/2 daycare expenses for her 2 year old daughter. This is reality! There are many, many people today, due to the economy that are in similar situations.

Oh, and in case you wonder shy we, as her family, aren't offering help, we are. But we can't afford to support another household full-time. My parents are wonderful and would love to do more, but my father, a small business steel manufacturer hasn't had any work for over 6 weeks. We are all hard working people.

 

[sam_gordon]

After taking the $1500 credit for replacing some windows, we are at about 6.1%...

You make more than I do, but pay less in taxes. hmmm. That sounds "fair", doesn't it?

 

[DVCBELLE]

I think the component that is missing in this argument is what happens if the govt gets out of the welfare business:

1. I up my charity dollars - as would many of my friends and the businesses they own...b/c we would feel like we could choose organizations that would be good stewards of our money. I am sure that a $1000 given to a non-profit will go farther than $1000 given to the government. More non-profits will actually lead to more jobs as well.

2. I will also have more disposable income...so I will buy more things, take more trips, etc. and what will that do - CREATE MORE JOBS

3. With lower tax responsibilities - employers will keep jobs in the US and have more money to pay for salaries.

4. There will be more jobs in the US for the people who are unskilled therefore meaning less people will need to be on welfare.

The people who TRULY need assistance will be able to get it - those who are lazy and working the system will not and will end up having to get a job - which will be available b/c there will be more jobs b/c people will be spending more money which will create more jobs.

 

[sam_gordon]

2. I will also have more disposable income...so I will buy more things, take more trips, etc. and what will that do - CREATE MORE JOBS

I was thinking about this earlier. The argument is "give me more money in my paycheck, I'll spend it meaning companies get more money meaning they would employ more people." Do I have that right?

BUT, if the government gets your money, they spend it. So they're giving to companies that are employing people. Since those companies are making money, why don't they employ more people?

Yes, YOU would get to choose which companies your money goes to. But it still gets spent... whether by you or the government. Let's be honest... it's not like the government is taking our money and putting it in a bank account and not using it. So the money IS getting used.

What's the difference? (as applied to jobs)

 

[indimom]

I can't give my figures for this year yet, I haven't filed yet and I can't do the math for myself.
I dug out last year's tax records. We were at 9%.