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Vero Beach has a great resort as only 90 minutes away (?) from WDW. Dave and Christopher talked about the dues and buy in. The other thing I would add is that technically, Disney could say that you can only stay at your home resort. Now, I don't think that would ever happen, but reservation system changes, point charts change, new resorts are added, etc. So, for me, it is buy the resort where you want to stay every year if you had to.

This is a very good point to add Norm - and part of the reason that we diversified our portfolio of points. While it hasn't happened in the past 20 years... no one knows what might happen in the next 20 or 40 years. It is entirely Disney's option to put into place.

Thanks Norm and Christopher, we are looking at OKW as our home, but when I saw $40 a point at VB, I saw a savings. But looking at the fees of over $6 a point, it's not going to happen. So we're looking for a good buy at OKW again.
 
Thanks Norm and Christopher, we are looking at OKW as our home, but when I saw $40 a point at VB, I saw a savings. But looking at the fees of over $6 a point, it's not going to happen. So we're looking for a good buy at OKW again.

We love OKW. I like staying there. On our last family trip, DW was musing about picking up some points there because she liked it so much. But she still wants WL first, so we didn't do it.
 
This is a very good point to add Norm - and part of the reason that we diversified our portfolio of points. While it hasn't happened in the past 20 years... no one knows what might happen in the next 20 or 40 years. It is entirely Disney's option to put into place.

Us to. We own at SSR & BLT. I'd like to pick up some BWV points as well. MK is my favorite so BLT makes sense. SSR for away from park and close to DTD. I really like the Boardwalk area and would like to add there, but am worried with the earlier expiring contract.
 
I looked into buying into DVC, but Im not sure I could cough up that much money to buy in. Is there a DVC for Dummies book out there? :lmao:

Matt
 

Im guess that was some reference to a Leonardo diCaprio move, but Im not sure.

How much was it to buy it? How many points are required to get a decent vacation? What are the yearly upkeep fees? These are the things that I would like to know.

TiA,

Matt
 
Im guess that was some reference to a Leonardo diCaprio move, but Im not sure.

How much was it to buy it? How many points are required to get a decent vacation? What are the yearly upkeep fees? These are the things that I would like to know.

TiA,

Matt

You've got 14 pages to read here which may help.
# of points depends on people? studio (4), 1 Br (5), 2 BR (8), GV

Then, how often you go? yearly, every 2 years? You can bank and borrow so you may buy 1/2 or 1/3 points.

Where do you want to stay? Which resort do you want to buy into?

Finally, resale vs direct. You can purchase points resale, which have some restrictions, but not for staying at DVC resorts. Resale can save you lots of money and you can add on later.

As for dues, each resort has a different value, but guess $500 for every 100 points you own.

Also, UY is important for travel planning, as when you go.

I'm sure I need to expand on those. Any particular?
 
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Im guess that was some reference to a Leonardo diCaprio move, but Im not sure.

Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl.

How much was it to buy it? How many points are required to get a decent vacation? What are the yearly upkeep fees? These are the things that I would like to know.

TiA,

Matt

What I understand is if you buy from Disney, you need to buy a minimum of 160 points. Point prices very from resort to resort. You can buy resale for any amount of points. Dave, Christopher please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl.



What I understand is if you buy from Disney, you need to buy a minimum of 160 points. Point prices very from resort to resort. You can buy resale for any amount of points. Dave, Christopher please correct me if I'm wrong.

There are two basic sources for points within the DVC system. Direct from Disney - or on the resale market, buying someone else's points who no longer wants them for one reason or another (sometimes it's not that they don't want them, but can no longer afford them to any number of reasons i.e. job loss, divorce, they're inheirited points and the successor never really wanted them like the bequeathor did... etc, etc).

Disney requires a certain number of points to be purchased when buying direct. The rule is 160 points, although they do offer a couple of resorts where it can be as low as 100.

Buying resale does not have a minimum number to purchase. You find a contract that suits you, you make an offer, and if it is accepted, it goes before Disney for their "Right of First Refusal" process (they retain the right to buy any contract at the same terms that the seller & buyer agrees to). If Disney passes on their right, the contract moves to closing process. If they exercise their right, then they buy the contract and you start searching for a new one.

The lowest number of points that someone can buy resale is 25. But contact amounts go up from there. (That's because that is the lowest number of points Disney will sell directly. Purchasers can get points from 25 up to 49 direct, in any amount, and must pay cash for them. Once a contract is 50 points or more, direct purchasers can finance them if they so desire.). Once you close on a contract, you are a DVC member, and viewed pretty much the same as any other DVC member. Why only pretty much? That comes down to what you can do with your resale points. As of March 20, 2011, those who bought resale could no longer use their resale points for any of the Disney Collection offerings (WDW non-DVC resorts, DLR, international Disney locations, ABD and DCL). Other than that, you are viewed the same.

When buying direct from Disney, you have the opportunity to select the number of points you want. It does not have to be a set number such as 160. If you want to buy in with 173, they'll sell them to you. Usuallly though most people just buy the minimum, and then if they add more points later, that's when the "off" amounts start to show up. For example not too long ago I saw a resale contract for 37 points. How someone determined they needed 37 more I can't say 100%, though I'm pretty sure it was from whatever their base amount was, plus whatever they needed to secure that "perfect" trip for x number of years down the road.


Knowing how many points you need depends on a variety of factors. SOme people approach DVC as they do traditional timeshares, where they go the same week every year, and like to stay in the same size accomodations every year. Those folks pretty much know they need x number of points.

Then there are those of us who like to mix things up, and enjoy the flexibility that the points system allows for. Different resorts, different times of the year, for different lengths of stay. That can make it a bit harder when you are trying to determine what you "need". Thus the joy of adding on comes into play. And banking and borrowing. But it helps to keep your vacations fresh. Thanks to DVC we've enjoyed every season of the year at a Disney park, and so far 9 of the 11 DVC resorts. We've gone full family, just as a couple, I've gone solo, and we've brought the folks, and in laws and nephews as well. We aren't locked in to one specific week and we love it!

I hope that all helps somewhat. What you "need" is completely up to you and your vacation style -both now, and anticipated style in the future.
 
There are two basic sources for points within the DVC system. Direct from Disney - or on the resale market, buying someone else's points who no longer wants them for one reason or another (sometimes it's not that they don't want them, but can no longer afford them to any number of reasons i.e. job loss, divorce, they're inheirited points and the successor never really wanted them like the bequeathor did... etc, etc).

Disney requires a certain number of points to be purchased when buying direct. The rule is 160 points, although they do offer a couple of resorts where it can be as low as 100.

Buying resale does not have a minimum number to purchase. You find a contract that suits you, you make an offer, and if it is accepted, it goes before Disney for their "Right of First Refusal" process (they retain the right to buy any contract at the same terms that the seller & buyer agrees to). If Disney passes on their right, the contract moves to closing process. If they exercise their right, then they buy the contract and you start searching for a new one.

The lowest number of points that someone can buy resale is 25. But contact amounts go up from there. (That's because that is the lowest number of points Disney will sell directly. Purchasers can get points from 25 up to 49 direct, in any amount, and must pay cash for them. Once a contract is 50 points or more, direct purchasers can finance them if they so desire.). Once you close on a contract, you are a DVC member, and viewed pretty much the same as any other DVC member. Why only pretty much? That comes down to what you can do with your resale points. As of March 20, 2011, those who bought resale could no longer use their resale points for any of the Disney Collection offerings (WDW non-DVC resorts, DLR, international Disney locations, ABD and DCL). Other than that, you are viewed the same.

When buying direct from Disney, you have the opportunity to select the number of points you want. It does not have to be a set number such as 160. If you want to buy in with 173, they'll sell them to you. Usuallly though most people just buy the minimum, and then if they add more points later, that's when the "off" amounts start to show up. For example not too long ago I saw a resale contract for 37 points. How someone determined they needed 37 more I can't say 100%, though I'm pretty sure it was from whatever their base amount was, plus whatever they needed to secure that "perfect" trip for x number of years down the road.


Knowing how many points you need depends on a variety of factors. SOme people approach DVC as they do traditional timeshares, where they go the same week every year, and like to stay in the same size accomodations every year. Those folks pretty much know they need x number of points.

Then there are those of us who like to mix things up, and enjoy the flexibility that the points system allows for. Different resorts, different times of the year, for different lengths of stay. That can make it a bit harder when you are trying to determine what you "need". Thus the joy of adding on comes into play. And banking and borrowing. But it helps to keep your vacations fresh. Thanks to DVC we've enjoyed every season of the year at a Disney park, and so far 9 of the 11 DVC resorts. We've gone full family, just as a couple, I've gone solo, and we've brought the folks, and in laws and nephews as well. We aren't locked in to one specific week and we love it!

I hope that all helps somewhat. What you "need" is completely up to you and your vacation style -both now, and anticipated style in the future.

thanks guys!

Im still a little confused on how all this works, but Im going to try and make time to read the previous 14 pages and make heads or tails of it. Im just not sure that I have the disposable income to support right now.

Cheers!

Matt
 
It is that time of year again. You know, that time of year when I look at how much I am about to spend to book a 1 bedroom villa at Beach Club and wonder why I am not DVC.
So, I priced things out. I did a room only estimate at rack rate and it showed me $5200 to book from 9/29-10/7. Then I did a points look up and it came to 240 for the same dates. How can I justify not buying into DVC now?
Oh let me add this, we go every year (or try to). And for next year we are looking at going to Aulani. I priced the points and it came to 254 (ish) points.
So I probably would want to buy 260 points if I buy in.
I would need to finance the purchase and our credit is ummm not great (working on it). I am guessing we would have to finance direct through Disney then. We would need to waitlist because we would want Beach Club.
We have a 2 year old daughter and will look to go every year from here on out.
Dads, I urge you to help me. Tell me why we should not be DVC members?
 
It is that time of year again. You know, that time of year when I look at how much I am about to spend to book a 1 bedroom villa at Beach Club and wonder why I am not DVC.
So, I priced things out. I did a room only estimate at rack rate and it showed me $5200 to book from 9/29-10/7. Then I did a points look up and it came to 240 for the same dates. How can I justify not buying into DVC now?
Oh let me add this, we go every year (or try to). And for next year we are looking at going to Aulani. I priced the points and it came to 254 (ish) points.
So I probably would want to buy 260 points if I buy in.
I would need to finance the purchase and our credit is ummm not great (working on it). I am guessing we would have to finance direct through Disney then. We would need to waitlist because we would want Beach Club.
We have a 2 year old daughter and will look to go every year from here on out.
Dads, I urge you to help me. Tell me why we should not be DVC members?


If you are going to go anyway - and you plan to continue to regularly go for the foreseeable future - and you stay in more than moderate anyway - and you realize that all you're buying are accommodations and that tickets, & food & transportation are all extra but only needed when you plan to hit the parks (because there is such a thing as non-park stays in the future that can be just as or :scared1: ever more enjoyable than park trips) - then yes it is worth while.

Naturally financing is going to make the break-even point take longer than if you paid cash, but I'm not here to say you shouldn't do it that way. That's your business, and not mine. I have done both with our contracts, and have no qualms about what we paid cash for nor what we financed. Everyone's financial situation is their own to deal with, and doesn't need to be debated on the boards (hint - stay away from many of the threads on the DVC boards, because you will get some pretty heated, nasty commentary about the evils of financing anything - and conversely some pretty nasty comments about giving away a large chunk of cash for this type of purchase too).

It is a big thing to decide though. Don't do it lightly. Once you're in, you're in, and there is a long-term commitment to annual maintenance dues. Now truth be told, once you've hit the break-even point, those maintenance dues are much less than you'll pay for that Deluxe room at the Beach Club, and will in fact average out to be as if you're paying for a room at a value resort. So yeah, it can be very worthwhile, which of course makes those park tickets and food costs & transportation seem very easy to handle. And you just can't beat the longer you've had it - those semi-spontaneous weekend trips where you don't care which resort you're at - just that you're there, or getaways with your spouse in addition to whatever you might do as a family...
and, and, and....


So there's your "you can do it" pep talk... now just wait for someone else to chime in with why you shouldn't do it.

popcorn::
 
It is that time of year again. You know, that time of year when I look at how much I am about to spend to book a 1 bedroom villa at Beach Club and wonder why I am not DVC.
So, I priced things out. I did a room only estimate at rack rate and it showed me $5200 to book from 9/29-10/7. Then I did a points look up and it came to 240 for the same dates. How can I justify not buying into DVC now?
Oh let me add this, we go every year (or try to). And for next year we are looking at going to Aulani. I priced the points and it came to 254 (ish) points.
So I probably would want to buy 260 points if I buy in.
I would need to finance the purchase and our credit is ummm not great (working on it). I am guessing we would have to finance direct through Disney then. We would need to waitlist because we would want Beach Club.
We have a 2 year old daughter and will look to go every year from here on out.
Dads, I urge you to help me. Tell me why we should not be DVC members?

I'll play the anti-pep talk. Well, not really.

If you like the BCV, then that is where you should buy as that is F&W festival, and dvc fills up fast at 11 months. Your contract dates are not as long as BLT, but they may offer an extension like they did OKW.

Your math is right on point totals. You also need to figure roughly $500 per 100 points in dues. So, that's another $1250(?) a year before you leave the house, plus food, plus tickets. It is a big initial purchase. And, if the point chart increases or if you go a different time of year, you may need to buy more points.

If you buy direct thru Disney, their financing is 10%. You may be cheaper going thru resale as they have banks they work with to get you the sale. With Disney, the purchase price will be higher, but the perk is your guide will book your reservation for this year. They have the magic. If you go resale, you will get a lower purchase price, financing is ?, but you have to wait ROFR, and if approved, then make your booking like everyone else - first come first serve.

Another option to consider is to buy 1/2 the points you need. I know you said 1 BR, but they only sleep 4 (5 if infant under 3). Could you get buy with studio? If not, stay with your original 260 need and buy a 130 point contract. You could borrow from one UY & have 260. It would only mean a trip every other year, but it would save initial cost. And, of you could get buy with studio, then you may be looking at 150 points, or half that if bank/borrow. I'm not sure what Disney minimum buy in is for BC, and BCV are hard to find on resale.

Another option to consider is UY. You can't bank points in the last 4 months, so it is encouraged that you travel in the first 8 months, in case something happened, you could unbook your trip and bank points to next year. If you miss the window, then you have to use them before the UY ends or they expire. That may never be an issue for you. If you buy Disney, your purchase month is UY. If you go resale, it has already been selected.

As for borrowing, that is a tough decision. We had the money to buy outright, but we bought a smaller contract on resale. We did the financing thru bank recommended by TSS, and they were great to work with, but I struggled seeing a payment go out each month. So, we just paid it off after a few months. I started to associate angst with my Disney vacation from monthly payments, which is not a good pair.

You have a lot of decisions to make. Good luck.
 
Thank you for the replies both of you. Your responses have raised a couple more questions.
If we want to buy BCV through Disney I know we would probably have to waitlist, is this generally a long process? Also, how can I find out how much per point Disney is charging right now without talking to a DVC rep? (I like to wait until I need to talk to them for the last possible moment, lol).
I know there is going to be a new DVC at Grand Floridian. Is there any word when those go on sale and how much per point they would be? That would be the only other resort the wife would want as the home resort.
I know I can buy half the points and bank and borrow, but if we go every year, this wouldn't be smart right, or am I missing somethng?
Use Year. We go the first week in October every year. I would assume then a September use year would be ideal. Based on a response above, does this mean that we need to wait until September to purchase?

Thank you again everyone!
 
Thank you for the replies both of you. Your responses have raised a couple more questions.
If we want to buy BCV through Disney I know we would probably have to waitlist, is this generally a long process? Also, how can I find out how much per point Disney is charging right now without talking to a DVC rep? (I like to wait until I need to talk to them for the last possible moment, lol).
I know there is going to be a new DVC at Grand Floridian. Is there any word when those go on sale and how much per point they would be? That would be the only other resort the wife would want as the home resort.
I know I can buy half the points and bank and borrow, but if we go every year, this wouldn't be smart right, or am I missing somethng?
Use Year. We go the first week in October every year. I would assume then a September use year would be ideal. Based on a response above, does this mean that we need to wait until September to purchase?

Thank you again everyone!

A great resource to bookmark is dvcnews.com They list out all of the current pricing for each of the resorts - both current and "sold out" (Disney will sell any resort, even the sold out ones, directly to you, as long as they have any inventory of points).

If you are referring to waitlisting to purchase a contract, then I will say that it is really a mysterious gamble, in that nobody knows when a contract will come available. People list contracts for sale everyday, but that doesn't mean that people are listing BCV everyday, and that is the most sought after resale property that Disney consistently exercises their ROFR on. My guess as to when a contract might come available is worth about the same as yours. I have no clue. The best thing to do if you want to go that route is contact Disney and the resale companies and let them know what you are interested in, and then wait. But be ready to act whenever you get the call that points are available - because Disney will usually only give 24 or 48 hours to respond since the demand is so great. Not sure about the resale companies, but since most BCV contracts are ROFR'd by Disney... that side is almost futile in my thinking. But again - I don't know. It seems to be anybody's guess.

The Grand Floridian villas were just formally announced at the DVC Member meeting in December. They have not yet said when points will go on sale, but generally in the past with other resorts, they've gone on sale up to a couple of years prior to the grand opening of the new resort. Typically it takes about 3 years (+/-) to build out, so my guess is they'll go on sale later this year. Perhaps in the fall. Not sure what the price point will be, but since BLT is currently selling for $150 per point, that's probably where GFV will start.

UY - you can ask for any UY from Disney, and if they have points in that particular inventory, they can sell them to you. On the "currently being marketed" resorts they do prefer to sell whatever UY they happen to be pushing... so ask. If you are looking at a resale contract, then UY will be listed out as part of the resale listing, and that can be part of your search for a contract.

If you know you'll be going every year, then banking & borrowing isn't going to help you at all. If you truly will go every year, then you should determine how many you'll "need" in a given year, and buy an amount a little above that (since reallocations have happened and will happen again in the future no doubt)... or find a resale contract that is close to that amount needed.
 
Yeah, everything Stopher said. I didn't know BCV resale was ROFR'ed that much, as long as the offer was reasonable. I agree with Stopher, call resale or Disney. When we called TSS to both buy and sell a contract, they gave us the ROFR speech and then also said they thought this amount would pass ROFR. And, they were right on both occasions.

As for the banking/ borrowing, I was just trying to give you some financial relief suggestion. If you could buy half the points this year and half the points next year, then maybe you wouldn't have to finance as much. But, you then would have to hope for another contract to come along, which may be really difficult.
 
It is that time of year again. You know, that time of year when I look at how much I am about to spend to book a 1 bedroom villa at Beach Club and wonder why I am not DVC.
So, I priced things out. I did a room only estimate at rack rate and it showed me $5200 to book from 9/29-10/7. Then I did a points look up and it came to 240 for the same dates. How can I justify not buying into DVC now?
Oh let me add this, we go every year (or try to). And for next year we are looking at going to Aulani. I priced the points and it came to 254 (ish) points.
So I probably would want to buy 260 points if I buy in.
I would need to finance the purchase and our credit is ummm not great (working on it). I am guessing we would have to finance direct through Disney then. We would need to waitlist because we would want Beach Club.
We have a 2 year old daughter and will look to go every year from here on out.
Dads, I urge you to help me. Tell me why we should not be DVC members?

I'm not going to come down one way or the other on the buy-it/don't-buy-it question; I'd love to have it, but we're going to need a bigger house before we buy what amounts to a vacation home. But have you thought about renting points for the upcoming trip(s)?

I've been renting points from DVC members for the past couple of years for our family vacation to WDW, and it's worked out well. I was able to get BLT last year and AKL for this year from the same guy, paying $11/pt. So, for your math, you'd still come out ahead if you were renting for $20/pt rather than paying rack rate through Disney. You can usually find things for, at most, $13/point through the DVC points resellers online. There is an element of trust involved, but there are contract templates around that can protect the interests of both parties if you are arranging things privately, or, again, you could go through a reseller (re-renter, I guess) to reduce the risk at a slightly higher price.

If nothing else, it lets you get a feel for what staying on points feels like for a given accommodation category, and may help you make your decision. Or, like in my case, punting it down the road for later while still enjoying the amenities of DVC without the high up-front commitment.
 
Thanks dads! Here is the decision we made. Depending on how much of a bonus I get this year determines whether we buy this year or not. Simple, huh?
Yeah, so in the meantime we will be booking a one-bedroom villa at Beach Club and putting the $200 deposit down. The wife is super excited for this so it works. Plus, I will know it the next few weeks about the bonus.
Now, do we know if I decide to buy DVC, would they be able to transfer this reservation to points and possibly apply the $200 deposit to my DVC down payment?
 
Now, do we know if I decide to buy DVC, would they be able to transfer this reservation to points and possibly apply the $200 deposit to my DVC down payment?

No. That would not be possible. Beach Club (reserved through CRO) and DVC are two completely different parts of the Disney Company that don't play nicely together.

  • You would need to first secure your DVC purchase, and then once you are able to do so, secure a points reservation, if you can get one, through DVC's Member Services.
  • Then then once that is taken care of, cancel your Beach Club reservation; provided you are within the cancellation period, CRO will then refund your deposit back to you via the original method of payment, so if by cc then back by cc, or if by check, then back by check...this can sometimes take as many as 10 days to credit it back to you.
  • Then if you so choose, you can take that $200 that you get back and apply it towards your your DVC purchase, or simply replace the funds that you'll need to use towards your DVC down payment.
 
For those who missed on the main thread, I bought a 100 point contract at Boardwalk at $67 per point. You have to add $582 for dues and $400 for closing costs and that is the total. It was advertised for 1 day.

All of our resale transactions have been through TSS and they are great to work with. Disney is great to work with as well, just cheaper through resale. I realize that now, any resales have restrictions about how you can use your points, but we only plan to use them at the DVC resorts.

Now, we have enough points for two studio stays per year - a week at BLT and a week at BWV. And, some SSR points to use as well. We still have to wait for ROFR, so we may not get those BWV points, but buying small resale contracts thru TSS has worked great for us.
 














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