SW and "Personal" Item

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I have a carry on suitcase I am bringing on my flight tomorrow that is within the dimensions allowed by Southwest.
I need to bring a personal bag with me. I have a rolling backpack that would be perfect but how do I know if my personal item is too large? It is slightly smaller than my carry on suitcase. I'm almost positive it will fit under the seat as it can me smashed down pretty well. The only thing is, it a pretty large backpack since it has a fold in pull handle and wheels.
I am so worried as to whether or not it is okay to bring it on board. I could bring a tote bag but with everything I need to put inside it, it would probably end up being just as big and bulky as my backpack.
Need advice; what do you think?
 
Honestly, although it will be most likely allowed, it really is not a "personal" item and it is inconsiderate to your other passengers. Why don't you just check one of the bags?
 
Honestly, although it will be most likely allowed, it really is not a "personal" item and it is inconsiderate to your other passengers. Why don't you just check one of the bags?

I agree. If you need that much stuff...just check your one bag. Especially since you are on Southwest, it is free so why not :confused3

It probably will be allowed, but if space is tight don't be surprised if they check your one bag because it is pretty rude to the other passengers especially if both need to go in the overhead bins. I am a big fan of carrying on as little as possible.
 
I am so worried as to whether or not it is okay to bring it on board.

Aren't you the one with an absolute terror to fly? Why on earth would you do anything to increase your worry? To be honest, I would never recommend any airline without assigned seating to someone with a fear of flying, and you are compounding your stress by bringing something which is too big.

The backpack is too big. It counts as your carry on item, not your personal item.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but I don't know any better way to say it.

Don't make things so difficult on yourself; it will only make things worse.
 

While there is a decent amount of room under the seat, and if it fits, IMO, no harm, no foul. But if it doesnt fit, and you need to take up another spot 'up top' that's not fair to other passengers, especially if it's a full flight. For southwest having such a liberal baggage allowance in this day, I'm amazed at how many people dont check that 'big' carry ons. I know, they dont want to 'waste' time getting the bag, but it's free and less headache getting seated and off the plane.

And just to make sure, since I dont know how much stuff you have, you havent packed too many liquids / gels for your stay that wont be allowed thru security have you? I agree with others, it doesnt cost you a cent to check a bag, keep important stuff with you ie: electronics / meds that kind of stuff and check the other bag.
 
Aren't you the one with an absolute terror to fly? Why on earth would you do anything to increase your worry? To be honest, I would never recommend any airline without assigned seating to someone with a fear of flying, and you are compounding your stress by bringing something which is too big.

The backpack is too big. It counts as your carry on item, not your personal item.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but I don't know any better way to say it.

Don't make things so difficult on yourself; it will only make things worse.

Yes I am the one with an absolute terrorizing fear of flying and am already on a load of prescription medication from my doctor right now to help me deal with it. I don't see how bringing or not bringing carry on bags on board will make me any less afraid to fly. Two different issues in my opinion. Thanks for the advice.
So the concensus here is that a tote bag or large purse IS a personal item but a backpack is not?
 
If it won't fit underneath the seat in front of you, it is too large.

I bring a backpack with my laptop in it. It fits under the seat, therefore it is fine as a personal item. It doesn't stick out from under the seat, but then it does not have wheels and a telescoping handle. If you can't get your backpack under the seat, or if the flight attendants tell you it is sticking out too far into your foot space, you may need to check your suitcase and put the backpack overhead. If you're not sure it will fit under the seat, you are opening yourself up to the possible hassle of gate-checking your suitcase, so I'd either check the suitcase or pick a personal item that you know will fit under the seat.
 
While there is a decent amount of room under the seat, and if it fits, IMO, no harm, no foul. But if it doesnt fit, and you need to take up another spot 'up top' that's not fair to other passengers, especially if it's a full flight. For southwest having such a liberal baggage allowance in this day, I'm amazed at how many people dont check that 'big' carry ons. I know, they dont want to 'waste' time getting the bag, but it's free and less headache getting seated and off the plane.

And just to make sure, since I dont know how much stuff you have, you havent packed too many liquids / gels for your stay that wont be allowed thru security have you? I agree with others, it doesnt cost you a cent to check a bag, keep important stuff with you ie: electronics / meds that kind of stuff and check the other bag.

No, I would never be so rude as to take up a second spot in the overhead storage compartment. That is why I was asking the question about a backpack fitting. I saw MANY people with carryons and backpacks on my last flight and was kicking myself that I took a large purse instead of a easier to carry backpack. I was just wondering whether or not the people who bring backpacks as there personal items have a difficult time making it fit under the seat. If they are taking up two overhead bin spaces, then they are wrong and I would not do that.
 
Yes I am the one with an absolute terrorizing fear of flying and am already on a load of prescription medication from my doctor right now to help me deal with it. I don't see how bringing or not bringing carry on bags on board will make me any less afraid to fly. Two different issues in my opinion. Thanks for the advice.
So the concensus here is that a tote bag or large purse IS a personal item but a backpack is not?

You are adding stress to yourself; you said it in your very first post. So many people here do that and make things more difficult for themselves than they need to. Any more stress just makes the journey that much more difficult. I see people flipping out here and in airports all the time and usually they are the ones with far too much to manage. Why try and make things harder for yourself?

The personal item is intended to equate to a small handbag. Even a tote bag really is larger than the intent, but so long as you can squeeze it into the space under the seat in front of you, it is acceptable.

Everyone who has posted to date is in agreement here.
 
Yes I am the one with an absolute terrorizing fear of flying and am already on a load of prescription medication from my doctor right now to help me deal with it. I don't see how bringing or not bringing carry on bags on board will make me any less afraid to fly. Two different issues in my opinion. Thanks for the advice.
So the concensus here is that a tote bag or large purse IS a personal item but a backpack is not?

Bavaria was trying to relieve some of the STRESS / WORRY from an already stressful situation is all they were doing. If it fits, as stated, no problem, but others are just bringing up the 'what if it doesnt fit' situation. And since I saw you were coming out of midway (or that would be where I guess you were leaving from) I would guess the flight is going to be pretty full / short on overhead space.
 
You are adding stress to yourself; you said it in your very first post. So many people here do that and make things more difficult for themselves than they need to. Any more stress just makes the journey that much more difficult. I see people flipping out here and in airports all the time and usually they are the ones with far too much to manage. Why try and make things harder for yourself?

The personal item is intended to equate to a small handbag. Even a tote bag really is larger than the intent, but so long as you can squeeze it into the space under the seat in front of you, it is acceptable.

Everyone who has posted to date is in agreement here.

I agree 100% I don't have any type of fears of flying but I do tend to get a little stressed out with the hustle/bustle of the airport. Every trip I take less and less and it has helped me tremendously. I am much more relaxed and can actually somewhat enjoy the start of my vacation. You may not think it, but having all that baggage is only going to stress you out, especally getting through security!

I take a backpack and small bag/purse and that is it for the three of us. Backpack has laptop, snacks for plane, toys/books for DS3, spare clothes for DS3 and any medications. Small purse has all our important stuff (tix, money, credit cards, etc), cell phone, camera. We gate check the stroller. I am much less stressed now flying with a 3 year old and less stuff from when I was single flying with tons of carryons years ago. Live and learn I guess.....
 
yikes....I'm about to slightly disagree with Bavaria! (maybe if I come here with some good chocolate...):goodvibes

I carry a laptop bag that sort of doubles as a carryon.
Something along the lines of this:
http://www.ebags.com/ebags/perspect...ontal/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=107103

It fits under the seat in front of me in most cases and is probably less "squishable" than OP's rolling backpack.
With SW flying all 737s, I can tell you that this back fits easily under the seat in front of me if I am in the middle or window seat. Not the aisle, though, as there is less space under that seat due to the framework of the seats.

It seems clear OP doesn't intend to be a bin hog, and if she can get her backpack underneath the seat and her other bag in the bin, I think it's fine.
 
It seems clear OP doesn't intend to be a bin hog, and if she can get her backpack underneath the seat and her other bag in the bin, I think it's fine.

That word is the only thing. IF it doesnt fit, what happens next?
 
But there are two big differences - you fly every week and you have the reassurance that your bag fits because you bring it every week, AND you don't require a 'load' of prescription medication to get on an airplane.

OP doesn't know if that bag will fit; none of us do. She said in her very first post that she was worrying about it. If it is questionable, then why bother bringing it? Why not just bring something which is known to fit under the seat?

If she has to check it at the last minute, will she have to scramble to repack electronics, valuables, medications, etc into the other bag? That will just add more to her stress.

Yet again trying to be concerned is being twisted into us being nasty. We wouldn't be posting OP if we were not concerned about you and trying to be helpful.
 
Here is SW's baggage policy:

Carryon Baggage
Per TSA regulations, carryon items are limited to one bag plus one smaller, personal-type item.

Personal-type items include purses, briefcases, cameras, food containers, or laptops (case included).
Southwest Airlines limits carryon bag dimensions to 10x16x24 inches.
All Customers and Employees and their items are subject to a thorough, physical search.
The following items are not considered carryon bags or personal-type items and are not counted against the “one-bag plus one personal-type item” limit:
A child restraint device for a child who has been ticketed, who has a seat reserved, or for which complimentary, available space exists.
Assistive/mobility devices for individuals with a disability. There is no limit to the number of assistive/mobility devices a Customer can bring onboard the aircraft.
Outer garments or other wearable articles of clothing.
Food for consumption during flight contained in disposable packaging.
Walking canes or umbrellas.
Please see the TSA’s web site for a list of allowable carryon items.
 
Not to fret; I will not be taking up anyone else's baggage space. I transferred all my items(well "squeezed" is more like it) into a child sized Lego replica backpack. I will look like a fool walking around the parks with it, but if people would be offended by my bringing an adult backpack onboard the plane, I'd rather not upset anyone.

The reason why I wanted to bring a backpack in the first place instead of a purse or tote is that we are arriving at 11am into MCO and our check-in time at SSR is 4:00pm. Our room may be ready sooner, but we can't count on it. So my checked bag and larger carry-on will have to be left with the Bell Services at the resort. Our plan is to go to a park if our room is not ready so I will be carrying my personal and electronic things with me to a park. The larger backpack would have been easier since there are organizational pockets and it is an adult size and much sturdier for these items and I hope to God the Lego backpack is waterproof. Neither a tote bag nor my purses are enclosed enough to keep my electronic devices (cell phone, Ipod, etc) and medication secure and I simply do not feel safe enough leaving those items with Bell Services. This backpack will have to substitute as a purse for me for the whole day and will need to hold my tickets, wallet, medication, cell phone, Ipod, personal female toiletries, rain ponchos, hand sanitizer and mini first aid kit.
As to why I am also bringing a small carry on suitcase; it is because of the advice I had gotten here on the Dis about packing at least 24 hours worth of clothes and toiletries in case my check-in bag was to arrive late or get lost.
 
Honestly, although it will be most likely allowed, it really is not a "personal" item and it is inconsiderate to your other passengers. Why don't you just check one of the bags?

How is it inconsiderate?

You are adding stress to yourself; you said it in your very first post.

Everyone who has posted to date is in agreement here.

I am so sorry bavaria, I'm disagreeing.


First, to me, losing luggage (even though it only happens relatively rarely!) is far more stressful than carrying two bags on. I get to the airport early as a rule (which has been broke once or twice) and can easily juggle stuff between bags if needed, and have the time to check the size-checkers if I feel I am getting too close.


When on a carrier that allows two items, I use something official carry-on size or smaller, and then my personal item MUST be smaller than that. That's my rule.

Since ALL of our luggage is USA (and Europe last I checked) carryon size or smaller, that's easy to do!

I have NEVER had a problem fitting something under a seat, never.

On hubby's business trips, except for the Jazz plane in Canada and a puddle jumper in New Zealand (where our big, but still official carryon size, are too big for carrying on, same as Australia's rules), he carries a "Ful" brand multipocketed backpack stuffed with electronics, and he can fit those under seats no problem.

Now it's the handle that's worrisome. Do you have the exact, manufacturer-given, dimensions? Is it smaller than the official carryon size, when including the handle (I mean a closed handle of course)? You want to make sure it's small enough, and that the extras on the backpack aren't going to make it too big.

Since your stuff will fit into a tote, you could make it easier (In My Opinion...others I'm quite sure will disagree) on yourself and if the tote would be difficult in the airport, stick the tote in the backpack, and as you're at the gate waiting for the flight, move things from the backpack to the tote so that it's obviously a "purse".

I mean seriously, has anyone SEEN the enormous size of purses for the last 5 or so years? Those things are enormous! If an enormous Vera Bradley purse is allowed, a backpack that is small enough and carries the same items should be allowed, but if you're worried, just move them around from bag to bag. Stow the backpack in your overhead carryon, then once at the destination airport take a few moments to move it back to the more ergonomic bag.


Now all of this is contingent on you being OK to do it all...since you're taking drugs to deal with anxiety, you might not want to do any of this. Or you might want to get to the airport extra extra early, 3 hours or so, get yourself to the gate, do what you need, then take your pills. That's assuming you're traveling alone. I just know I wouldn't want to go through TSA while on something that might alter my brain and reactions.


that's a lot of talking, sorry!

Do you have any friends or family who travel often? Show them the backpack, get their opinion. See if they think it will stick out. The nice thing about DH's "Ful" backpack is that it's not *tall*, so it doesn't stick out. He does have a different backpack made by Targus that is tall (very ergonomic on the back) and can't go under the seats (we can tell just by looking).


And just a last tidbit! When I carry two things on, I make sure I'm *carrying* them. I pull nothing. I have to make SURE I can lift it. So I carry the items, one in front, one in back (if one thing has a strap I wear it crossbody and put the item either on the front or back of me, depending on where I need to carry the other thing). I get to my seat, pop in (helps to be 5'3"), put the smaller item on the seat with the bigger item in hand. I'm entirely out of the way of the aisle. As soon as there's a break in people coming through, I pop my upper body out, put my item in the overhead, and pop back in. Sit in my seat and get situated if I'm at the window, or just sit with other bag on my lap if there will be others coming by me. Once I can get situated fully, I take out whatever I might need, put it in the seatback pocket, then stuff my bag under the seat, put my seatbelt on, and I'm good to go with as little annoyance to others (unless they get annoyed that I'm makin' them look bad, my ego says in a funny voice, LOL) as is humanly possible!


Good luck!!!!
 
Not to fret; I will not be taking up anyone else's baggage space. I transferred all my items(well "squeezed" is more like it) into a child sized Lego replica backpack. I will look like a fool walking around the parks with it, but if people would be offended by my bringing an adult backpack onboard the plane, I'd rather not upset anyone.

The reason why I wanted to bring a backpack in the first place instead of a purse or tote is that we are arriving at 11am into MCO and our check-in time at SSR is 4:00pm. Our room may be ready sooner, but we can't count on it. So my checked bag and larger carry-on will have to be left with the Bell Services at the resort. Our plan is to go to a park if our room is not ready so I will be carrying my personal and electronic things with me to a park. The larger backpack would have been easier since there are organizational pockets and it is an adult size and much sturdier for these items and I hope to God the Lego backpack is waterproof. Neither a tote bag nor my purses are enclosed enough to keep my electronic devices (cell phone, Ipod, etc) and medication secure and I simply do not feel safe enough leaving those items with Bell Services. This backpack will have to substitute as a purse for me for the whole day and will need to hold my tickets, wallet, medication, cell phone, Ipod, personal female toiletries, rain ponchos, hand sanitizer and mini first aid kit.
As to why I am also bringing a small carry on suitcase; it is because of the advice I had gotten here on the Dis about packing at least 24 hours worth of clothes and toiletries in case my check-in bag was to arrive late or get lost.

Can you do your electronics and care items in the backpack you mentioned in the first post (the larger non-Lego one), and your clothes for the first day in a smaller bag than a rollaboard? Just a thought.
One pair of pants, a change of socks and underwear, a fresh shirt, and some deodorant and toothpaste and hairbrush shouldn't need a whole rollaboard.

Then you can put the backpack overhead, and maybe the lego backpack or similar with your "24 hours of clothes."

The laptop bag I linked before carries my laptop, daytimer, magazines, electric cords, makeup, and at least 2 changes of clothes easily, if I wear the same shoes.
 
How is it inconsiderate?

People who do not follow the general provided rules are also the ones who delay boarding, take up additional storage, etc, this is inconsiderate to other passengers.

As the OP has modified their packing, I think this is a moot point now.
 
First, to me, losing luggage (even though it only happens relatively rarely!) is far more stressful than carrying two bags on. I get to the airport early as a rule (which has been broke once or twice) and can easily juggle stuff between bags if needed, and have the time to check the size-checkers if I feel I am getting too close.

When on a carrier that allows two items, I use something official carry-on size or smaller, and then my personal item MUST be smaller than that. That's my rule.

Good luck!!!!

These two points you make were exactly what was on my mind when I asked the question to begin with.

First of all, yes; I did make sure the backpack when standing upright next to my small carry on suitcase with the handles down is SMALLER than the carry on.

Second; I agree with you 100% about the stress of lost luggage. I am checking in one bag and which is mostly stuff that I can do without if lost(Christmas themed clothing and decorations) and those items I have to check like large sized liquids and razors. I am very concerned about having my luggage lost or delayed and I am even nervous about using DME because of that. My friend doesn't want to wait to pick up our own luggage so, I am biting the bullet and letting DME get them for us. Since most of what I will REALLY need to use will be in my carry on, I am less stressed.

Thanks for your advice.
 





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