Stupid America...

Republican Rapper said:
I think a large problem is the gerrymandering of school districts as well as the lack of parental support in underachieving communities.

ITA.

It is a self-fulfilling prophecy, as the rich white parents think a school with a diverse population isn't a good one and send the higher performing students elsewhere.

Again, ITA.

Racism still has a great impact on public schools. It's a damn shame too. I've heard from many parents who claim they won't send kids to the public high school I went to because it's too black now. They're shelling out over $10,000 a year to send them to a whiter school. This is VERY widespread.

I went to a majority black junior high and a high school that was roughly 50-50, and I wouldn't have any problem sending my kids to a majority black school if it were a good school, and if my kids weren't the only white children in the school.
 
Bayshore Bandit said:
"What I don't want to see is simply a system where the voucher money can only be used if the private school is operated the exact same way as the public school was."

I don't disagree with this, but let's take it one step further.....why saddle
public schools with their current rules, regulations, and unfunded mandates.

Let's give the public schools an opportunity to pre-screen and pre-test
students, and then deny entry to those who do not meet high standards.

Give the public schools the right to expel students without having to go
through miles and miles of red tape.

If people want to make changes regarding teachers and unions, then I say go
all out. Let's change the rules so that parents and students themselves are
also held more accountable.

That's sort of how Chicago is. Everyone can go to their neighborhood high school, but there a number of magnet and college prep schools located around the city that you "apply" to and sometimes take a test a test to get into.

I think it's a great program, because it allows high-achieving students to not get stuck in some ghetto school full of stupid thugs.
 
Well, I usually keep quiet on this stuff, as it just goes around and around in the same old circles. However, I guess I'll just put in my 2 cents this time.

Yes, there are bad teachers. There are also many, many gifted and caring teachers who do as much as they POSSIBLY can with what they have. Many of these teachers stay in the poorer schools year after year, because they know without them the kids don't stand a chance. The test results are still below the richer areas' scores. It's not about teaching, it's about lifestyle, in my opinion, and the tests themselves. When those kids don't come to school, come late, come sick, come with toothaches and lice eating their scalps driving them nuts with the itching, come without their glasses because they can only get one free pair a year and they lose or break them within two months, come unable to hear because of severe and recurrent ear infections, come hungry, come upset about something that went on at home, come after having no bedtime, no dinnertime, no bathtime........it's catch-as-catch-can, come after having been woken in the night by fighting, partying or sirens outside their windows, come after having once again had big brother take the only blanket and they were cold all night..............and on and on. All actual experiences of my actual 7 year old students. Here they come. I do what I can to make them safe and happy, I hand out crackers, I hand out combs, I hand out shirts, jackets, shoes and socks, backpacks, paper and pencils, books, free lice medicine, dental and medical referrals, referrals for free glasses. And then I teach. And then I give them a test given to me by the powers that be to measure what they've learned........and my seven year olds, coming from where they come from are supposed to understand in a reading selection that ONLY mentions mama scraping potato salad from a bowl and getting a birthday cake from a cooler, that the family is on a picnic. No mention of a park, playground, picnic table, grill..........just potato salad, which if mine have eaten they ate at KFC, and a cake in a cooler..........my kids use coolers as refrigerators since their electricity is turned off so often, and in their houses as drink dispensers........usually sodas for the kids mixed in with beer for the parents. They are supposed to get that from that? We are told to teach the children the difference between fact books and fiction books........then the question asks the children if the "genre of the selection was biography, folklore or realistic fiction"............not the terms we were told to use. We are told when to teach what, and to teach regrouping in the 4th six weeks. Then there is a question with a regrouping problem in the 3rd. We are told to teach them how to tell temperature by both fahrenheit and celsius on a thermometer, and we do. Then the thermometers in the question measure in increments of 5 instead of 2 like an actual thermometer.

You see my point? Even if we somehow manage to teach them what we've been told to teach them through all their other problems, the tests themselves don't measure what they've learned in a way that they can show. They are only 7 and 8 years old. If you try to trick them, you will succeed.

My school tests 3rd lowest in the district. Yet I know teachers in some of the higher performing schools who were in our school and couldn't take it. They left to a higher performing school where they wouldn't have to work so hard, and their students would still test well. That's because those kids' parents have set them up to be ready to learn when they come in. Their needs are met. Their medical and dental problems are seen to right away before it becomes a problem. They are able to have role models who show them how to do things, solve problems, get things done. They get experiences like picnics with potato salad.........and that's the only time they use coolers. Trick questions may still get them, but they are also likely to have had varied experiences like being read to, having heard jokes and riddles, that will enable them to have the framework of figuring that out.

I have materials and money to spend. I have resources to help me try to meet my students' needs that really have nothing to do with my "job". My problem is that the people running the show fail to realize that these are real children, individual people..........they are all different and come from different experiences before they come in to learn........then they want ONE test on ONE day to be one size fits all? A test written by those who have never seen these kids and their homes.

They say "no excuses". I don't see any of my children's problems as excuses, but they sure are barriers to their learning. They are REASONS why the child takes longer to learn what a child in a middle class neighborhood learns on the dot of the timeline the powers have decided on.

If I am to be judged by what my children KNOW, that's unfair. If I could be judged on how my children IMPROVE, I am perfectly willing, provided we do make notations on how many days they weren't with me, or with me half the time, or didn't have their glasses, couldn't hear instruction, were sick, had a toothache, and so on. These aren't little computers.........type it all in and it sticks. These are KIDS.

Unions help us do our job. They make sure we are given the time to do it, some freedom from children who simply aren't able to be in a classroom, some protection from administrators who "have it in" for a teacher for whatever reason (can be personal, racial, lifestyle, or even because they want the teacher to cheat on tests, so their school looks better than it is). They also help some of the teachers do their jobs longer than they should be helped. But, how many people do you think are out there willing to take that teacher's place? Those kids would have to be "absorbed" into existing classrooms, making it even harder for the "good" ones to do their jobs. In some cases that may be warranted, in others not.

For what it's worth, that's my two cents. I'll teach as long as I can..........when the stress affects my health too much, or my salary is threatened by my choice to work with the kids who need me most, I may have to hang up my ruler. Until then, I'll continue to do the very best that I can, so that when my students judge me (and I think they're the only ones that truly can), I won't be found lacking.

And as far as comparing us to Belgium, well, I'd need to look at Belgium to decide if I think we can accurately compare. Is it as diverse as we are? If not, their tests may not be as slanted as ours are, so they would do better as a whole. Unless of course, we are taking the exact same tests........but I know no one has brought an international test to my second grade class. How is it culturally? Are the children as varied as ours in lifestyle, which in turn varies them in "readiness" to learn upon arrival at school? Is there, as in China and Japan, a lot of follow-up practice at home? Our country has a love/hate relationship with homework, and it's not often done by low-performing students.

Also, there was just a report done (can't remember the source now, but I'm sure it can be googled), that while our students underperform many countries in tests, they also outperform many of the same countries in real world problem-solving, inventiveness and imaginative solutions, and leadership. Some countries are doing a strict formulaic and rote curriculum which helps them learn the base, but they students are never taught nor allowed to question or try it out in different ways.

Sorry for the book, as I said, I don't get into discussion of this much, so there's a river waiting to get out.
 
ItsonlyExperiment626 said:
Not to bash teachers, but don't you find it appalling that they have these rubber rooms as they call it where teachers who should not be near any child are stored 6 hours a day with pay because to fire them would take years. Did you not see that graph of procedures the school administration must follow to fire a teacher? The one teacher which emailed the student with sexual language that they reported, you would to not think this teacher really needs to be fired and away from the kids put into your care on school hours. True the unions are here to protect the rights of teachers, but something is wrong when it's obvious a dangerous person can't be outright fired because of unions rules. The unions needs to amend those procedures for this kind of thing and as a teacher you should and as a union member you have the power to demand a change for the protection of the children.

I don't know where these rubber rooms are but we've had some teacher fired here in the last couple of years. We've had administrators fired too. Our school board is not playing. We're in our second round of layoffs in three years and they are also allowing principals to apply for re-employment based on excellence if a teacher is in line for layoff. It's true that no school system in Ohio is successful across the board. There ARE some successes though; our school is one. Our school board is extending our program from ES to MS and looking into more alternative schools within the system. People/parents who select the school their children attends rather than complacently sending them to their "home" school seem to have more interest in how their children perform.

Schools need to get communities involved.
Someone said 20/20 mentioned $10,000 per student. A friend and I looked into that very issue two years ago. In Ohio, failing schools are having more money spent per pupil due to declining enrollments and NCLB mandates. It's just not working. At our school, because we have such success, our enrollment per classroom is almost 30 and our student teacher ratio is higher too because we have fewer tutoring teachers. The school board has sent all the help to the failing schools and still our school continues to perform with just below $5,000 per pupil spent by public education. There are parents in the hall all over the place. This winter, we have replaced 5 tutoring teacher positions with parents. We lost those teachers to poorly performing schools. We hate it but we've stepped up so our students get the help they need and boy do we have students who need help.....NCLB keeps moving kids in with less services here. :faint: Great little program, NCLB! :confused:
 

DH is from CA and we've been living in the UK for several years now our DD's are 11 and 8. Christmas '04 we spent several weeks with DMIL. While we were there we discussed with DH's family the possibility of re-locating back to the States. DMIL advised us to stay in the UK for the sake of our DD's education. She said that as much as they would dearly love to have her family close by, she knew that her DGG's education would suffer if we moved back there. DMIL showed our DD's school report to a co-worker of hers who has two DS's around the same ages as our DD's, apparently the co-worker was blown away by the level of education that our DD's were getting and the co-worker thought that her DS's were doing really well in school!
 
I saw only a portion of the program. I know that the child that couldn't read and the mother that asked for help and couldn't get it is true. I went through that myself in SC. I live in Fl. now and my dd got help. I will say though that parents not teachers are our major problem. We opened a Charter School here last year and it was supposed to save the world. Well lo and behold it did very poorly compared to our public schools. The problem well I will try to explain in a short post. Ok I have one child J. my bf has one child E.. My bf's mom wants E. in Catholic School but bf doesn't so they compromise on Charter. E. fails or barely passes all of her classes. J. is an A and B student. My child is no better than E. and I consider E. to be my adopted daughter. Why is E. nearly failing well mom never goes to the school. She says mom I have no homework and never does. Mom fusses to me but never goes to school to ask for more work. She never goes to school to ask for study aides to bring E.'s grades up. J. comes home has homework in Math and I have no clue I do the internet thing and can't find this type of Math anywhere. I head out to the school lucky me teacher is still there. She shows us how to do the work and then gives me a website that the math textbook is on. The whole textbook so if J. forgets her book she can still do her homework and I can look at the book to help her. We didn't have textbooks for every student we mostly have class sets. I tell E.'s mom about said website since E. is really struggling in math. Does she ever go on the web and pull extra work for E. NO WAY. I can't force her to care about E.'s education. I can't go to the school and get extra help for E. from our teachers. Her mom has to do that. I know that teachers can be the problem also. J. had a teacher last year that admitted to allowing her class to get out of control and J. started to fail. I was up there immediately and involved the principal and suddenly the class settled down and J. got back on track. When E. went to Charter mom was absent there as well. E. didn't do so well. They said Charter would make better students and I know they tried but I also know that mostly the lazy parents sent their kids and got mad when their kids didn't do well. When teachers see that parents care they tend to do better. If your teacher stinks even in SC you could change teachers at the beginning of the year. I know when the names come home if J. got good teachers. E.'s mom calls and ask me and sometimes when I say I would change that she does nothing. Sorry this post is long but as a parent with a child in our public system I think the problem is in parents and teachers not just one. Also most reporting that they have kids in good schools should be aware that you are the caring parents. Like myself you bought or rented a house in a better school system, you volunteer, your there for your kids. Not one post has been made by non caring parents. Therefore we have to think could that be why our kids excel. HMMM.
 
Paigevz had some excellent comments. I used to be a guidance counselor for an elementary school in rural NC and can remember the barriers that some of the kids had due to their parents. It certainly was a struggle for some of them because they were not given the basic tools to have a productive day(good food, enough sleep, clean clothes, proper medicine). Here if Florida teachers are under amazing amounts of pressure to raise the FCAT test results and noone really knows for sure if this is a proper measure. Can we quantify and compare fairly?

As for educations in other countries...we lived in Japan for three years. The kids over there are much more advanced then our kids in certain academic subjects. But they also lack the creativity and individualism that we enjoy. Japanese teens envy American teens because in Japan it is expected that you will conform and submit to the group. Part of a good education is self discovery and expression, imho. We may lag behind in our educational systems but our country has many more challenges to contend with. We value personal freedom, we are much more diverse, we have varying customs, religions and traditions, etc. All things that might make us have lower math scores but still the very same thing that makes us great.

One more comment... our colleges define the American ideal. Our students may not outshine other areas of the world as children but we sure do promote a college education more than other nations. Any young adult can pursue a higher education system here....not just the ones that jump on the college track early or are identified as such as is the norm in other nations. Here you can graduate a poor school with a D average and still prove yourself by going to community college and then transferring to a four year. In this country its not over till it's over! And thousands of students from other places clamor to attend college here.
 
shortbun said:
As a member of a union, I can tell you that my union is still needed. There is good and bad in almost everything. Interesting how people who pooh pooh media information will embrace it when it supports their already formed belief system.

As far as public education goes. You get what you give. We are in a large urban district and because we are proactive, our child gets an excellent education. I volunteer in my son's school so he knows I am interested in his education and excels. While I am there, I help other children too. My husband and I tutor for reading and math as volunteers. We escort field trips. We help with and organize money makers so our library has funds for books as the school district has no money for this. We clean, paint and update the playground yearly with other parents and community volunteers. Other parents and family members are right there with us. Wwithout this kind of community support, children and schools fail. If you think you can sit back and expect America's teachers to do it all themselves, you are very, sadly wrong. Hold your school boards to high standards and then support the schools however and whenever you can.


Well said - thank you. :teacher:
 
lookingforward said:
One more comment... our colleges define the American ideal. Our students may not outshine other areas of the world as children but we sure do promote a college education more than other nations. Any young adult can pursue a higher education system here....not just the ones that jump on the college track early or are identified as such as is the norm in other nations. Here you can graduate a poor school with a D average and still prove yourself by going to community college and then transferring to a four year. In this country its not over till it's over! And thousands of students from other places clamor to attend college here.

I can't speak for other countries because I do not know what their edcuation systems are like. However I can tell that any young adult here in the Uk can pursue higher education, if they are so inclined. In fact, it is probably easier here, as there are no fees involved until a individual attends a university and then the fees are a fraction of what they are in the States.
 
Charade said:
I do. Of course not all but a lot of people go into certain unionized jobs (including teaching and public service) because of the benefits and they know that it's near impossible to get fired.

I'd sure love to know where these people are! I'm in classes with hundreds of education students a week and I don't hear one of them eagerly anticipating the "benefits," and having a job where they won't get fired. Instead, what I see are a bunch of students excited about their subject area, who love kids, who believe in education, and who want to make a difference in the world.

Oh yeah, I'm really in it for the money. :rolleyes: Starting out at $20,000 a year (oh, pardon me, add $200 to that for my master's degree) at the age of 40 sounds just peachy to me. And you're saying I'll never get fired??? Score! :banana:
 
Just wondering if anyone has considered these factors that are present in many American schools:

1. Lack of discipline in the classroom (kids throwing stuff, calling out without raising their hands, getting out of their desks, goofing off, disrepect for the teacher, disrespect for the other students - basically a class out of control)- would you find this in an Asian country?

2. Do other countries "teach to the tests" like Americans schools do so much of today? The 5th graders in my county have to take a writing test before they can enter the 6th grade , which is fine and dandy but the school kids tell me that they have done little else but writing for the past two months. What about the other subjects?

3. The general fact that Americans love their recreation time - television watching, computer games, Nintindo, sports, etc.... - maybe Americans spend too much time on leisure. Perhaps that's what our culture has encouraged more than other cultures.

4. The habit of labeling children at a young age - these "gifted programs" that have money and good teachers pumped into them but are only meant for the top 2-3 percent and exclude all the other students who are certainly capable but didn't quite make that "score" on the standardized tests.
 
This has been an interesting read. As it has been before whenever this subject is discussed.

We have folks saying don't put blame on any one part of the education equation. Ok, fine but those that say their school does well (compared to who???) doesn't mean that other schools are producing dunces. But don't be surprised when people who help foot the bill get upset when they feel their money is being squandered away. I don't really have a vested interest because I don't have kids but the only recourse I have is to see that my money is being well spent is to pay attention to what the school board does and how well the kids perform.

We have people saying charter schools are being trounced by public schools and charter schools trouncing public schools. That only means that some public schools AND charter schools are doing great things while others aren't.
This may mean that "one size" doesn't fit all.

If I had kids, I feel that my child deserves the best education possible. If I could afford private school, that's where they'd go. But if I couldn't, I'd want the option (via a voucher system) to send them to the best public school in my area. I feel sorry for the parents that do care about their kids education that live in an area (like DC) with lousy schools who are stuck because they can't afford to move out of the area. Why should these kids and parents suffer?

It seemed pretty clear in the show that a voucher system works well in Belgium. It seems to work well in the areas of the US that allow it. Can't it work in places where the status quo is failing? I don't understand the resistance to change to something that clearly works.
 
Here in Lebanon NH we have an AWESOME school system. 15-20 kids in each class and teachers that care. My kids look forward to going to school every day. And that is half the battle.


My hats off to all the GREAT teachers out there. :cool1: and
 
mickeyfan2 said:
Nobody is talking about the senior who could not read a simple book. They spent over 100,000 on his education and it failed him. DH and I loved the meeting around the table where the principle said he was making great gains. What gains??? They send him to Sylvan learning centers for two weeks and he raised his reading level by over two years. So he CAN learn to read. But why teach him to is you get paid the same and cannot get fired for his not being able to read.

The number one complaint of students were their teachers were boring. Just droning on and on.


Haven't read the whole thread, so this may be mentioned later, but...

Did MOM not notice until he was a SENIOR that he couldn't read??
 
1) I would like to second Bayshore Bandit and say that, as a HS teacher, I have never given this mystical "international test".
2) In Ohio at least, administrators CANNOT spend money designated for school operating expenses for buildings and grounds. Those are two separate types of school levies. Building and improvement money cannot be spent for running the systems, either. So when a district builds a new school and then runs low on operating money, they CAN'T use leftover money from the building fund. It is illegal.
3) I do not teach in Toledo schools. I teach in one suburb and live in another. The district I live in AND the school I teach in are both rated "excellent".
4) We do not have a "rubber room". Sometimes I wish I could sit in one for a few minutes for the quiet!
5) Here is an example of what our union is doing right now: The state of Ohio in their infinite wisdom has decided to try and pool all of the insurance benefits for all teachers in the state. If this happens a state commission would decide who our providers would be, what coverage we would get, and what cost we would pay, instead of each local negotiating their own benefits. In reality our coverage would go down, our costs would go up while another state commission enjoyed a nice office and fat perks. We have a big letter writing campaign going on for all of our representativves to encourage them to kill this measure before it gets passed (I already sent mine out--if you are an Ohio teacher you need to do this!!). Sure they also want me to vote for some candidates who are way too left-wing for me, but I have the right to say no and vote my own conscience.
Robin M.
 
Charade said:
This has been an interesting read. As it has been before whenever this subject is discussed.

I don't really have a vested interest because I don't have kids but the only recourse I have is to see that my money is being well spent is to pay attention to what the school board does and how well the kids perform.


You have a vested right as tax payer. Have you ran for the school board? Served on any committees? Asked to look at the budget and who is getting paid what? Asked to observe in a classroom? Attended a board meeting?

Anything besides watching 20/20 combined with an anti-teacher/anti-union mantra?

The cities that have vouchers have not been successful in the US if success is measure in how many poor kids went to private schools and if they performed any better. Most of the couchers in Milwaulki(sp?) went to people who already had their kids in private schools.
 
Bayshore Bandit said:
"Did anybody catch what "international test" was used to make the comparison?"

Something I'd like to know also, as well as what the actual results were (instead
of just "they cleaned our clocks".

About that test... Ohhh jeez, just because a couple of teachers in this huge country have not given this test, I am supposed to discredit it and to even doubt its existance?????

Yes, it did give the actual results. This test was highlights, (just the basics) from a common international standardized test.

The school in the USA was considered one of the highest ranking schools. The best school in NJ.

Our kids scored an average of 47 (if I am remembering correctly) and the kids in Belgium scored 76. :earseek:

Yep, I think that qualifies and 'cleaning our clocks'.
And, as mentioned, there are ten other countries ahead of Belgium, and many other countries between the US and Belgium. We are way down on the list.

Everyone can point fingers here.
Teachers can deny the problems.
The NEA and the Dept. of Education, can spout how wonderful they are.

the facts speak for themselves.

Nothing changes.
Our educational system is out of control.
The kids in many schools are suffering.

When kids aren't learning to read and do basic mathmatics, but they are trying to teach little six year olds what "congruent parallelograms" are. Something is WRONG.

When kids aren't learning to read and do basic mathmatics up to grade level, but fully half of the classroom curriculum and tests involve educational psycho-babble like 'critical thinking', something is WRONG.

When I have to personally fight the school system for two solid years to get help for my son. Something is WRONG. He has a rare learning disability that affects math skills. His reading was great. After spending the entire year up at the school begging for help (which was flatly refused), the Principal had the nerve to actually argue with me and tell me that my son was not reading and he needed help. :scared: I said, Okay, you say my son isn't reading, then WHERE IS READING RESOURCE!!!' Just unbelievable....

That woman in that special who was begging for help for her son in that meeting.... I know JUST how she feels. It is outrageous and sad.
 
Wishing on a star said:
Yes, it did give the actual results. This test was highlights, (just the basics) from a common international standardized test.

The school in the USA was considered one of the highest ranking schools. The best school in NJ.

Our kids scored an average of 47 (if I am remembering correctly) and the kids in Belgium scored 76. :earseek:

Yep, I think that qualifies and 'cleaning our clocks'.
And, as mentioned, there are ten other countries ahead of Belgium, and many other countries between the US and Belgium. We are way down on the list.

Everyone can point fingers here.
Teachers can deny the problems.
The NEA and the Dept. of Education, can spout how wonderful they are.

the facts speak for themselves.

Nothing changes.
Our educational system is out of control.
The kids in many schools are suffering.

When kids aren't learning to read and do basic mathmatics, but they are trying to teach little six year olds what "congruent parallelograms" are. Something is WRONG.

When kids aren't learning to read and do basic mathmatics up to grade level, but fully half of the classroom curriculum and tests involve educational psycho-babble like 'critical thinking', something is WRONG.

When I have to personally fight the school system for two solid years to get help for my son. Something is WRONG. He has a rare learning disability that affects math skills. His reading was great. After spending the entire year up at the school begging for help (which was flatly refused), the Principal had the nerve to actually argue with me and tell me that my son was not reading and he needed help. :scared: I said, Okay, you say my son isn't reading, then WHERE IS READING RESOURCE!!!' Just unbelievable....

That woman in that special who was begging for help for her son in that meeting.... I know JUST how she feels. It is outrageous and sad.

Testing to find rare learning disabilities is very costly which is why you probablly did not take matters into you own hands. Why should resources that should go to my kid who does not have a learning disability go to yours?

If you are going to demand special resources for your child, you should be the last to be scapegoating the teachers and their union. The teacher can only do the best the can for the class as a whole. Why should they devote more time to your kid than mine?

These are rhetorical questions. Of course I think the schools should take care of all the kids but the federal government does not provide the resources for special needs. IDEA is only funded 15%.

The teachers can only recommend that your kid gets tested then it goes to the school distirct. This was not the union's fault.

Also as to the curriculum, the school board decides on it. Not the union.

I understand your frustration but you anger is mispalced.
 
More sickening and ridiculous parent-bashing and false accusations....
Keep piling it on....

YES, I did take my son the the best child-development clinic in the state. But, hey, keep blaming me as the parent. I am getting used to it.

Sad, that this is to be expected for teachers to do this. Even to parents of special needs kids.

And, as far as the 'Professionals' at the school who refused to give my DS a basic evaluation... or to help him in any way... Most of them have never even heard of his learning disability. And, they are the professionals... this is nothing less than Gross Negligence.

And, no an evaluation is not that costly. And, I don't give a darn if it cost a fortune. They are required to do this. But, apparantly, they don't care.
 
Wishing on a star said:
More sickening and ridiculous parent-bashing and false accusations....
Keep piling it on....

YES, I did take my son the the best child-development clinic in the state. But, hey, keep blaming me as the parent. I am getting used to it.

Sad, that this is to be expected for teachers to do this. Even parents of special needs kids.

And, as far as the 'Professionals' at the school who refused to give my DS a basic evaluation... or to help him in any way... Most of them have never even heard of his learning disability. And, they are the professionals...

And, no an evaluation is not that costly. And, I don't give a darn if it cost a fortune. They are required to do this. But, apparantly, they don't care.

I got a quote for my son it was about $1500 that my insurance will not pay.

Please explain to me how the school district not doing the tests on your kids is the teacher's or union's fault.

You are responsible for your own child. If you want to heap it all on the school fine, but don't blame the teacher or the union. Your kid is not the only student.
 


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