Storm Along Bay Closing January

[ncligs]

Originally posted by PKS44
So Luna Park can handle BWI, BWV, any DVC poolhoppers from OKW and VWL and BCV and now add in YC and BC hoppers...but SAB had to close to all poolhopping because they added so many more potential swimmers just with BCV??? Further evidence that the blanket SAB no poolhopping policy was a sales tactic not a traffic control/pool overpopulation issue.
Paul

Excellent point Paul.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by PKS44
So Luna Park can handle BWI, BWV, any DVC poolhoppers from OKW and VWL and BCV and now add in YC and BC hoppers...but SAB had to close to all poolhopping because they added so many more potential swimmers just with BCV??? Further evidence that the blanket SAB no poolhopping policy was a sales tactic not a traffic control/pool overpopulation issue.

Paul

Well, actually this will be during one of the slowest seasons. And the resorts still have nice open pools. As we've seen in postings, SAB was one of the biggest draws for pool hopping, it's probably not anticipated that there will be too much pool hopping to Luna Park. It's also for a short construction period, not an ongoing policy expected for several years.

Personally, I'm glad they limited pool hopping at BCV, the pool had some very crowded times as reported on this board. DVC members are welcome to use thier points at BCV to use SAB. I'd alos hoped that the new DVC resort included a more ellaborate pool/mini waterpark, to help compensate for the no pool hopping at SAB.

 

[PKS44]

Captain Midnight-
You have made my point exactly-this is a slow season, when there is no danger of crowding...so why could they not allow SAB poolhopping when it is similarly a slow season?....you cite reports on this board of busy times at SAB yet you ignore every post about SAB that I have seen since BCV opened that state that SAB has NOT been very crowded...if you are willing to believe these posts about busy SAB why ignore the other reports??? these reports proves that at least so far there is plenty of time when SAB could have allowed poolhopping without any concern for overcrowding....the facts simply do not support the notion that SAB had to be closed year round all the time to poolhopping EXCEPT for the one reason it was closed to poolhopping- to get people to buy at BCV for the privelege to use SAB- it is basically the ONLY feature that distinguishes BCV - unless someone is simply dying for that particular theme---the proof is that is SAB did completely shut down for a time what would that do to bookings there???? It would become a place for BWV run-off.
I don't begrudge Disney for doing it this way- but I don't like being lied to and it insults anyone with any intelligence to ask us to believe it was for crowding concerns when the evidence has shown there are many times during the year when things are so slow that crowding should not be a problem --just as you yourself pointed out in dismissing the Luna Park utilization issue.

Paul

 

[Dean]

The pool hopping issue reminds me of the Xmas party issue with the company I work for. Some complain about the timing, location, alcohol, dress, etc so guess what, no party this year. That's where the PH issue is headed at some point.

 

[Jimmac]

We got the same letter as Firefighter Mickey stating that it would be the slide closed for renovation and that the rest of the pool would be open. It explained the various pool hopping options even that there would be a shuttle from BCV to Luna Park pool.

 

[Desperado]

The pool hopping issue reminds me of the Xmas party issue with the company I work for. Some complain about the timing, location, alcohol, dress, etc so guess what, no party this year. That's where the PH issue is headed at some point.

Good point. I hope that never happens. There are plenty of pools to choose from for pool hopping, but the constant complaining about it will probably bring it's demise. Too bad, a nice break in the day from the MK and a dip in the poly pool will be something to miss out on.

 

[PKS44]

Most of the complaining probably goes on here, not to Disney....I have never once voiced or written to Disney with any complaint about poolhopping...I don't think they really care that their bogus spin is insulting...they do it all the time. From the baloney about SAB closing to the "rehaB' of CBR that had to shut down the whole resort to the infamous Character Caravan that people said they wanted rather than EE...the pattern is pretty clear. Does anybody have any real evidence that Disney-not the DIS but Disney-gets a lot of complaints about the DVC poolhopping policy?

Paul

 

[RobDoc]

I don't begrudge Disney for doing it this way- but I don't like being lied to and it insults anyone with any intelligence to ask us to believe it was for crowding concerns when the evidence has shown there are many times during the year when things are so slow that crowding should not be a problem

From the baloney about SAB closing to the "rehaB' of CBR that had to shut down the whole resort ...

Just curious what "evidence" you have access to about crowds at SAB versus the other pools? I'm also not clear what "baloney" you're referring to about SAB. The slide is being refurbished, but the pool will be open. CBR is closed because the food court is being completely redone- I assume there is also some building rehab also- but just having no food service available is enough to close the resort, IMHO.

It's pretty easy to make assumptions based on the reports made by a few on an internet website, but unless you have access to the actual numbers for pool usage and some other solid information about why a pool is being refurbished or a resort closed, comments like the ones above are simply personal speculative opinion.

My personal opinion is that SAB is unavailable for pool-hopping due to potential overcrowding- since it already serves 3 resorts. While there may, in fact, be times when the pool is not at capacity, I'll trust the decision to make it off-limits as a move responsive to the guests at the 3 resorts it already serves and to minimize confusion about when it "might" be open to others. I have seen no evidence to suggest that the SAB policy is anything but an honest move to protect the ambiance desired by guests paying to stay at the affected resorts.

 

[Dumbo]

Originally posted by Jimmac
We got the same letter as Firefighter Mickey stating that it would be the slide closed for renovation and that the rest of the pool would be open. It explained the various pool hopping options even that there would be a shuttle from BCV to Luna Park pool.

So why are they gonna spend dues money to shuttle people from BCV to Luna Park pool when SAB is not closing?


Dumbo

 

[Dumbo]

Doesn't Beach Club Villas have it's own pool called Dunes Cove? What is wrong with that pool?


Dumbo

 

[RobDoc]

Originally posted by Dumbo
So why are they gonna spend dues money to shuttle people from BCV to Luna Park pool when SAB is not closing?Dumbo

They may not have to use any dues money, since every bus from BCV goes to BWV anyway.

Since a component of the pool facility will be closed, they are offering to allow BC/YC/BCV guests to use another themed pool, if desired.

I'll assume there will be minimal takers during that time just because of the weather, and because the quiet pools and BCV pool will still be available the entire time- in addition to much of the SAB facility.

Enjoy!

 

[Dumbo]

Doc,

I find it quite embarassing for Beach Club Villas managemant to even suggest the pool hopping option when they have there own pool, Dunes Cove, that was specifically built for their own guests.

My understanding is that there is nothing wrong with Dunes Cove and that it is assumed that it will not be crowded during the cold winter renovation of the SAB slide.


Dumbo

 

[PamOKW]

When the BWV slide was down for maintenance, guests of the Boardwalk were allowed to use the BC pool. While it is ironic that the resort that was closed off to pool hopping is now the one to use the BWV pool, it's not something that is earth shattering. The offer is being extended to non-DVC guests who are staying at the Y&B hotels. Why should DVC members be excluded? It is not unusual for work to be performed on the slide at this time of year. Half the time, it's too cold to be using the slide anyway....that air temp can send shivers down your spine.

 

[SamR]

when they have there own pool, Dunes Cove, that was specifically built for their own guests.

Dunes Cove is the BCV's quiet pool, and while a reasonable substitute for simple relaxation, does not offer any type of slide or other themed diversion. Since SAB will continue to remain open, there is no benefit to Y&BC guests (including BCV guests) to divert them to Dunes Cove. Y&BC management is simply trying to provide an alternative to those guests greatly disappointed in the loss of the use of the SAB slide during their stay. As such, I commend the Y&BC management for at least making an effort to proactively address the concerns of those staying at the Y&BC during that period.

My family will be staying at BCV in January, and I suspect my eldest son (9 year-old) might be a bit disappointed at the slide closure, but then again, I am not holding out much hope that the air temperatures will be suitable for sliding anyway!

 

[RobDoc]

I find it quite embarassing for Beach Club Villas managemant to even suggest the pool hopping option when they have there own pool

This has nothing to do with BCV management. SAB is the feature pool for Beach Club and Yacht Club (and BCV also). The decision to allow these resort guests to use Luna Park pool is not a DVC issue. In this case a DVC resort is included, since SAB is also the feature pool.

When Luna Park was being rehabbed, guests staying at BWV and BWI were allowed to use SAB- even though the quiet pool at their resort was still open.

 

[Desperado]

My personal opinion is that SAB is unavailable for pool-hopping due to potential overcrowding- since it already serves 3 resorts. While there may, in fact, be times when the pool is not at capacity, I'll trust the decision to make it off-limits as a move responsive to the guests at the 3 resorts it already serves and to minimize confusion about when it "might" be open to others. I have seen no evidence to suggest that the SAB policy is anything but an honest move to protect the ambiance desired by guests paying to stay at the affected resorts.

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Here, here!! Very well said!!


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Of course, any DVC member can always use their points to stay at BCV is they wish to use SAB pool facilities after the rehab. It's a complicated pool facility, I would expect more rehab there than any place. At least there are alternatives, at Vero the main activity is swimming, and when they rehabed that pool, you were out of luck for a fresh water alternative.

Isn't there a great shuttle service directly back and forth between BC and BW through the Friendship boats?

 

[PKS44]

Doc-

First I note you did not defend the whole EE/CC lie...so unless you forgot even a Disney apoligist has to concede they have a record of less than honest statements.

The baloney about SAB closing referred to it being closed to poolhopping 365 days a year because of concerns of overcrowding not to the rehab...the evidence is my own eyewitness of the lack of any significant crowding on visits to the resort in Oct and Feb and May-all busy but not peak times (actually Feb was Pres Day weekend) before BCV opened and the many trip reports I have read here and elsewhere since BCV opened - to claim that SAB is in danger of overcrowding I would say that there should be at least one trip report that cites crowds at SAB---I have not seen one report nor have I ever witnessed these supposed crowds...maybe they exist...I am sure during peak times SAB is crowded..but they always have closed pools to poolhopping at crowded times without making it a blanket rule...it is baloney (as in untrue) to state that the addition of BCV has so increased use of SAB that it could not continue to accomodate poolhopping at certain times of the year...it is not supported by any eyewitness account of the pool...again -if there were any reports that poolhopping was causing a threat to the ambience of the resort I would not only accept the end of SAB poolhoppping without question, I would applaud...to believe that the sales of BCV had nothing to do with the policy change and it was all about ambience is not believable given the lack of crowding I have ever witnessed at SAB at multiple different times of year. It is also supported by all the statements so many have made about using points at BCV if you want to use the pool...that is precisely why the place was closed to hopping--to increase use of the BCV not to protect the SAB. (iI am going to post a poll about why people choose BCV just to get a sense)

As for CBR- I don't doubt the food court needed a rehab- but if they had any kind of bookings they would have found a temporary solution to the food court...when they closed PO/FQ they were honest and said it was from lack of bookings and they used it as an opportunity to rehab...the CBR closing is the same...they just are not honest when they say it is just for the rehab. does anyone believe that if resort bookings were anything like they were even 2 years ago that they would shut down an entire resort to rehab the food court...? No way.

Paul

 

[RobDoc]

First I note you did not defend the whole EE/CC lie...so unless you forgot even a Disney apoligist has to concede they have a record of less than honest statements.

I did "forget" to address that (it's NOT a DVC issue and doesn't belong on this board). Disney has extensive data from exit surveys done in all parks at WDW. I'll suggest that those surveys will show that from the questions asked, few guests used EE and answered that they would enjoy CC at resorts. If someone has factual information to refute the explanation given by Disney, please feel free to quote. Again, without facts to suggest otherwise, I'll choose to believe Disney and not an assertion that something was a lie.

 

[Dean]

Disney is a business and to a certain extent it will always be about money. That doesn't mean there are not other factors and that those other factors as stated aren't correct. It doesn't mean that money is the first issue in every case either. To be honest, I'm usually one of the more skeptical ones when it comes to Disney but this conspiracy theory is over the top. Personally if I were DVC and BC/YC, I would have stopped the pool hopping myself at the time they did. I still think it's a prelude to no more pool hopping but we will see. Paul, I do hate it for the members that enjoy PH to SAB but feel it was the best decision. I personally doubt that sales at the BC had anything to do with the decision, especially since WLV had just sold out (or basically so) in around a year and there were many more members waiting in line for BC than for WL. What are you going to say when they totally stop PH in the next couple of years. The explanation will be somewhat the same citing the number of DVC members and preserving the experience for those staying at each resort.

The fact that the guides remind potential members of this issue has nothing to do with the decision itself and lends no credibility to the claim, IMO.

 

[PKS44]

Originally posted by WebmasterDoc
I did "forget" to address that (it's NOT a DVC issue and doesn't belong on this board). Disney has extensive data from exit surveys done in all parks at WDW. I'll suggest that those surveys will show that from the questions asked, few guests used EE and answered that they would enjoy CC at resorts. If someone has factual information to refute the explanation given by Disney, please feel free to quote. Again, without facts to suggest otherwise, I'll choose to believe Disney and not an assertion that something was a lie.

Well- Disney is either dishonest or they are incompetant at assessing what their guests wanted because CC was dropped and early entry was reinstated faster than a guest on the Tower of Terror.

I don't think they are incompetant.

Again I would agree the end of poolhopping to prevent crowding was not only the best decision but the only decision --IF it were truly threatened by crowding of DVC poolhoppers...but that is not plausible given the levels of crowds observed by me or any trip report I have seen. Disney is a business and there is no doubt that limiting poolhopoping enhanced the value of BCV ownership...from that standpoint it is a good business move...but to say that Disney was only doing it for the guests is not believable at current crowd levels. if it was not a big deal, why did the DVC sales people make a point in their sales pitch that the only way one could use SAB would be to stay at BCV and the best way to insure that was to buy there for the 11 month window?
Paul