Stop Honking at Me! and other Driving Woes

My peeve isn't necessarily with drivers, but with people who berate other drivers online when the complainer is the one who is wrong. Two recent examples from our town facebook page.

1) There have been a lot of traffic circles/roundabouts installed around here in the last couple of years. These are relatively new to our area. Some people still don't know how to use them. Someone came on and ranted about how you're supposed to treat them like a zipper merge (you're not) and basically if you're too stupid to understand a zipper merge then you shouldn't be driving. You're actually supposed to yield to traffic that's already in the circle. They do not need to yield to traffic entering the circle. There are even yield signs posted at the entrances with further explanation that says "Yield to traffic in circle." The police, fire department, etc have all posted "instructions" on their websites, etc. The complainer is the one who doesn't know how to use the traffic circle. When this was pointed out to him (not by me), he still ranted that it's "polite" to let people in and still thought that anybody who didn't allow him to zipper merge into the traffic circle was acting like a jerk.

2) We recently had a storm that knocked out normal traffic signal function at a pretty big intersection in town. However, the emergency function kicked in which had the light flashing yellow along the main (4 lane) road, and flashing red at the secondary (2 lane) road. Apparently someone wanted to turn left from the secondary road and found it difficult to do so with 4 lanes of cross traffic that wasn't stopping. She came on the town web page and ranted that when the traffic lights are down you're supposed to treat the intersection like a four-way stop -- and ranting about the lack of civility and general traffic knowledge of the general public. She even posted a photo where you could clearly see the lights were yellow in cross traffic direction and red in hers. While she would have been right if there had been NO LIGHTS working at the intersection, she was incorrect about the particular situation. If the lights are flashing yellow, the cross traffic did NOT need to treat it like a stop. When someone (not me) pointed this out, the person still claimed that people were "rude" for not letting the secondary street traffic out/turn. She complained that she waited over 10 minutes before she could make her left turn (which means she was blocking everyone behind her for that entire time.) In reality, the complainer should have just realized that turning left wasn't going to be feasible, and she should have turned right, then found a safe place to turn around. *That* would have been the safe *and* polite thing to do.

I really do try to be polite to people and do the "nice thing" in most situations -- but driving is one of those cases where things would go SO much better if everyone just followed the rules (and knew the rules). Even if you're trying to be "nice," bad things happen when people do unexpected things, so just do what you're supposed to do. And, for goodness sake, if you DON'T know the rules look it up. And if you think you're the ONLY one who knows the rules, go ahead and look it up before you go on social media to blast everyone else. (At worst, you'll have a source to cite to educate everyone else... and at best, you might find out that you were actually the one who's wrong before you look like a fool.)
 
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I get annoyed with people who are overly nice while driving.

Driving works because there are rules and most people know and follow them.

When people yield when they are not supposed to to be nice or stop to let someone turn to be nice in my mind they are a driving nightmare because I don't know what other driving rules they are going to selectively follow and endanger all the drivers around them as a result.
 
FWIW, a compilation of "keep right" laws by state:

http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
I have so, so many driving pet peeves, but I've tried to let them go. I'm a work in progress. :D

There's a YouTube channel called "Fury Road" where you see people doing some incredibly stupid/road ragey stuff. 5 minutes of watching that channel is enough to make me want to cool my jets and be more relaxed on the roads.
Lol I knew NJ was a keep right state, had no idea passing on the right was wrong, anyone who has ever driven on NJ highways knows it’s a complete free for all filled with a bunch of road rage and an unbelievable amount of speeding and lane changes. As for driving on the shoulder to exit, aren’t there exit lanes?
 
How is it unsafe to drive in the left lane? I can only imagine the traffic if we could only use ONE lane of the highway.

Because in most states the left lane is used for passing. If you cruise there you cause people to pass you on the right which is a hazzard when the rule/law is pass on the left.

Here's a chart that explains each states rules for highway.

https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/... 1122 Drivers must,left lane for passing only.

My state has always been passing on the left only, and in some cases our highways are only 2 lanes so yes we are supposed to cruise using only one of those lanes. The other is for passing so if you are clogging up that lane- you are the problem.
I'm assuming what I read recently just means they are really going to start enforcing it, which is good because it is an issue on the highways here.
 

How is it unsafe to drive in the left lane? I can only imagine the traffic if we could only use ONE lane of the highway.
its not unsafe to drive in the left lane, unless you are one of those jerks that just likes to sit in the left lane going under the speed limit. That is my biggest pet peeve. The left lane is not for slow drivers to hang out in. It's for passing.
 
Honestly, I think being caught by a cop with a cell pone in your hand while driving should be equal to a DUI. Somewhere around a 10K fine and loss of license for 6 months minimum.
Would it surprise you that DUI fines here are less than $3,000?
 
1) There have been a lot of traffic circles/roundabouts installed around here in the last couple of years.
Why???????? Why did your area not first talk to MA Traffic Planners????? We've gotten rid of most of our rotaries - at least wherever possible. They don't work so great.

Anyway my big peeve is drivers who do not stop drivers who do not come to a complete and full stop - especially at stop signs, and where you can turn right on red after stop. Not instead of.
 
I get annoyed with people who are overly nice while driving.

Driving works because there are rules and most people know and follow them.

When people yield when they are not supposed to to be nice or stop to let someone turn to be nice in my mind they are a driving nightmare because I don't know what other driving rules they are going to selectively follow and endanger all the drivers around them as a result.

This is my husband's pet peeve. People that want to be "nice" and try to wave you on to make a turn when you cannot see around them are super dangerous. And in the process they actually slow down the traffic flow.

If everyone just followed the general rules it would be much better.
 
I get annoyed with people who are overly nice while driving.

Driving works because there are rules and most people know and follow them.

When people yield when they are not supposed to to be nice or stop to let someone turn to be nice in my mind they are a driving nightmare because I don't know what other driving rules they are going to selectively follow and endanger all the drivers around them as a result.

This is a HUGE problem for pedestrians. We always have people abruptly stop on the street and try to motion us to cross, but that driver has no idea if the oncoming car is also going to stop, if the car behind them is going to go around, or on 4 lane streets if the other lane next to them is going to stop. I k ow they think they are being helpful, but we are perfectly fine waiting until the street is clear and safe to cross and hate playing the “no really go” game with a driver who is holding up traffic.
 
I get annoyed with people who are overly nice while driving.

Driving works because there are rules and most people know and follow them.

When people yield when they are not supposed to to be nice or stop to let someone turn to be nice in my mind they are a driving nightmare because I don't know what other driving rules they are going to selectively follow and endanger all the drivers around them as a result.

Drives me nuts. I hate when someone stops on a main road to let someone back out of their driveway or something. You do not stop the flow of traffic if there is no light or stop sign. The driveway person must wait. Grrrrrrrr.

I also hate, like a pp said when someone stops to let pedestrians cross the street when there is no crosswalk. It causes chaos. Then you have to wait and see if drivers coming the other way will stop. Or if someone behind the stopped driver is going to swing out around to pass. Makes me so anxious. I just wish people would not stop like that to let people cross.
 
Why???????? Why did your area not first talk to MA Traffic Planners????? We've gotten rid of most of our rotaries - at least wherever possible. They don't work so great.

Anyway my big peeve is drivers who do not stop drivers who do not come to a complete and full stop - especially at stop signs, and where you can turn right on red after stop. Not instead of.

We've got a bunch of roundabouts now, too. Same problem, most people have NO idea how they are supposed to work. The other problem is, most of them are too small to be effective. They've basically just replaced a standard intersection. The ones I've seen in other countries work better because they are bigger and do allow for merging/traffic flow.

Of course, the same people had NO idea how the previous 4 way stops were supposed to work, either. Or the difference between a green arrow and a green circle, or how to navigate multiple turn lanes, or what a turning lane is for, or that not all intersections with stop signs are 4 way stops, or that you are actually supposed to stop when the light turns red.

I've posted my biggest pet peeve on here before and gotten roasted for it but I'm going to do it again: If you (or your car) are incapable of doing the speed limit on the interstate, please take the back roads. It is dangerous to be putting along at 45mph on a 70mph interstate.

Yesterday morning got really interesting driving to work - car in the right lane of the interstate going around 45mph wouldn't get over for merging traffic, most of which was going a lot faster than he was. Almost caused a multiple vehicle crash, cars swerving to avoid rear ending him and each other. Thankfully, the left lane was clear and I was far enough back that I could see what was happening and slow down.
 
There are so many people who don't realize the left lane is supposed to be the passing lane! They happily chug along at a crawl and either don't get the hint when everyone's going around them, or deliberately try to stop people from passing.

And yes, being "nice" can be dangerous when a driver comes to a complete stop out of the blue to let someone pull out. Those drivers pulling out should only go out when it's safe to do so, i.e. they might have to wait an extra 30 seconds or so, which is fine.
 
This is my husband's pet peeve. People that want to be "nice" and try to wave you on to make a turn when you cannot see around them are super dangerous. And in the process they actually slow down the traffic flow.

If everyone just followed the general rules it would be much better.
Way back when I used to do insurance litigation, I defended a guy who was in a situation like the one you described. He was going to turn left out of a shopping center parking lot. Traffic was stopped and a driver made an empty spot and motioned him out across his path. Little did either that driver or my guy know a driver farther back got impatient and decided to try to bypass the backup by driving in the middle turn lane. That driver and my client hit in that middle turn lane. Oh, and to add to it, the other driver's wife was a passenger and injured but not wearing her seat belt. Lots of claims, counterclaims and cross-claims--ended up going to a jury which split liability between the 3 of them.

So yeah, the people who think they're being Good Samaritans by stopping the flow of traffic and doing their own waving in and out of drivers, they can cause more trouble than they solve.
 
Not for the 2 seconds it takes to turn. I'm not saying drive 1/2 a mile on the shoulder.
Who do you think is at fault if my light turns green or I make a right turn on red and you come up and take me out from the shoulder? I have it happen often when at the light turning into the gas station in the morning with a car in front of me at the red. Light turns green, we start going and I start turning just as a car rushes up on the shoulder. The shoulder is not a driving lane no matter how you put it.

Also, this happens in rural areas all the time, someone ahead of you on a state road is turning left and they pull over and drive in the oncoming lane as if it's a left turn lane.

Worst for me out on the roads though is people can't make a correct hard left turn in intersections any more. Everyone turns from the lane before they enter the intersection and the head through the cross traffic lane or lanes. People today can't turn their steering wheels more than 10°.

Leaving work I turn right onto a 4 lane highway at a light. I no longer use my turn signal because people across from me turning left turn into the right lane. I've had to semi panic stop many many times because of these idiots.

And all you automatic people, sorry but I am not going to rip through 1st and 2nd gear up to 6000 rpm from stop light to stop light and slam the brakes on. I'm not drag racing, I'm accelerating from a stop on the road. All the auto trans people just slam the throttle and take off like a bat outta.... from stops. Drives me crazy. For me in my manual driving normal, I have to redline to keep up with the throttle slammers. Not doing it.
 
Who do you think is at fault if my light turns green or I make a right turn on red and you come up and take me out from the shoulder?

And all you automatic people, sorry but I am not going to rip through 1st and 2nd gear up to 6000 rpm from stop light to stop light and slam the brakes on. I'm not drag racing, I'm accelerating from a stop on the road. All the auto trans people just slam the throttle and take off like a bat outta.... from stops. Drives me crazy. For me in my manual driving normal, I have to redline to keep up with the throttle slammers. Not doing it.

In your first paragraph, while there can be (and are) variables, the answer would be you....at least majority.

The transmission has very little to do with how fast you accelerate.
 
:confused: Do you not have distracted-driving laws where you live? Here it is a violation to use a cell phone in any way except 100% hands-free, while you are operating a vehicle (this includes at stop lights and in parking lots while the engine is running). The penalties aren’t as steep as a DUI but they are significant and if the act is found to be an aggravating factor in an accident that gets prosecuted, the sentence is increased.
Laws are worthless if not enforced. Not allowed to be on your phone in PA, but 90% are.

Sunday I was in Amish country. Oncoming it was Amish buggy after Amish buggy going home from their church activities. A buggy goes by and a young male is the only one and he's on a cell phone! 😱
 
I get annoyed with people who are overly nice while driving.

Driving works because there are rules and most people know and follow them.

When people yield when they are not supposed to to be nice or stop to let someone turn to be nice in my mind they are a driving nightmare because I don't know what other driving rules they are going to selectively follow and endanger all the drivers around them as a result.

Yes the nice people. They usually do more harm then good.
 


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