Steve Irwin (crocodile hunter) dies..........

Nutsy said:
Let me say this and don't flame me for it.


I DID NOT attack Terri. What I was trying to do, that you didn't want to hear was to explain things that are happening and how with the venue being changed from one that was central and easy to access to the Zoo.

I really think if you've never been to the zoo in peak periods then you really have no idea what it's like, so how can you comment on it. Yeah I can see you are going to flame me again.. go ahead.


Nutsy, NO ONE is flaming you here. Just because some of us didn't agree with your position on this doesn't mean that we "didn't want to hear" what you had to say. The only one who seems to be getting upset on this thread is you. :confused3
 
We don't have Dish / Cable / Satelite (saving for Disney) so I'm guessing that I'm out of luck when it comes to watching the memorial? Anybody know for sure?
 
CheshireVal said:
Nutsy, NO ONE is flaming you here. Just because some of us didn't agree with your position on this doesn't mean that we "didn't want to hear" what you had to say. The only one who seems to be getting upset on this thread is you. :confused3

So, how would you feel in my position then? You probably can't answer that as you're probably never likely to be.

Everyone was only too willing to take all the good bits, but the minute I said something that was not all roses (telling it like it is), the minute I mentioned how the Crocoseum is not a large enough venue, there was no hesitation from a lot on here to flame me for that.

How about the inconvenience to the locals being asked to keep off Glasshouse Mtns Rd and find an alternate route to work tomorrow... how about the fact that the car park is not big enough for all the cars... there is going to be at least 3 tv stations there with their crews, plus the 3,000 public who are allowed to attend and have be inside and seated by 8.30am or they miss out. So, if they are held up in traffic getting there and have been on the road for an hour or more.. it's just too bad for them.. they have to turn around and go home.

Had the original venue been kept or even one of the other two they were considereing.. all this could have been avoided. Yes, the Zoo and Crocoseum meant a lot to Steve, but so did the public and no I'm not talking about me here.. I'm talking about the public everywhere. He was a very public figure, more so than Peter Brock whose State Funeral is today. Steve had a following that I doubt anyone else has ever had and will have to come.

As for whoever posted the roving memorial idea.. how absurd. That is just taking it all way too far. There are numerous family and freinds flying up for this service.

Anyway, I've said enough.
 
Nutsy, thank you! I appreciate all the time you've taken to keep me (us) filled in on your local news that we don't get here on the East Coast of the USA. I hope you continue with your reports and ignore those that aren't appreciative. I have checked this thread since Steve's passing; its a great thread BECAUSE OF YOU and an easy way to keep up on the news. So, thanks again :thumbsup2
 

Just because she is taking posts PERSONALLY when we say that Terri should not be flamed for doing what is best for her family......does NOT mean she was flamed. :rolleyes:


This is about Steve Irwin's family and THEIR wishes....not about anyone else. No matter how badly you are "grieving" for him right now, it can't begin to touch the family's pain.

I personally think this thread has turned out to be an utter disgrace. :sad2: God Bless Terri and her family.
 
Nutsy said:
So, how would you feel in my position then? You probably can't answer that as you're probably never likely to be.


What position are you in that I am not likely to be in? Unless you personally knew Steve Irwin, then all of us on this thread are really in the same position.

Again, I really don't think anyone was flaming anyone on this thread. It's sad that it's turned into something ugly. That's not what Steve Irwin was all about.
 
CheshireVal said:
Again, I really don't think anyone was flaming anyone on this thread. It's sad that it's turned into something ugly. That's not what Steve Irwin was all about.

I so agree. Sending out a special thanks to Roger Ramjet for the links he gave.
 
I think everyone should do the one thing I think people would all agree Steve would want...and that is to respect the wishes of his wife and children, during this very, very difficult time.

You may not agree with her, you may think you have a better idea, you may think the publics love for him deserves something...let's remember she is making these decisions within weeks of finding out her soul-mate, her beloved, the father of her young children will NEVER come home. Let's trust that she is doing the very best that she can, under the circumstances.

Let's cut her a break and give her the respect Steve would expect from his fans. The wishes of his wife, kids and family are the number #1 priority and always trump the needs of the public. Period.
 
poohandwendy said:
I think everyone should do the one thing I think people would all agree Steve would want...and that is to respect the wishes of his wife and children, during this very, very difficult time.

You may not agree with her, you may think you have a better idea, you may think the publics love for him deserves something...let's remember she is making these decisions within weeks of finding out her soul-mate, her beloved, the father of her young children will NEVER come home. Let's trust that she is doing the very best that she can, under the circumstances.

Let's cut her a break and give her the respect Steve would expect from his fans. The wishes of his wife, kids and family are the number #1 priority and always trump the needs of the public. Period.


I totally agree! :thumbsup2

Regardless of how put out people are by it I can't imagine it being at any other venue but the zoo that he loved. Terri is doing what her husband would have wanted and I can't believe anyone would fault her for that. :sad2:
 
BelleBoo&AmisMum said:
I totally agree! :thumbsup2

Regardless of how put out people are by it I can't imagine it being at any other venue but the zoo that he loved. Terri is doing what her husband would have wanted and I can't believe anyone would fault her for that. :sad2:
That is true, there is no one on earth who would know what he would have wanted more than Terri.
 
You don't honor Steve Irwins life by attending/watching a memorial service .

Our only contact with him was through his mission in life...
to educate people about the wonderful , mysterious world around us!

Honor him by paying attention to the nature you pass by each day....think about what lives under the rocks and in the crevices we step over...
learn about, and work to protect all of the wonderous creatures we share our earth with!!

Send a note to his family and let them know what his life meant to you and what you will do to continue his mission.............that is the best way to honor a life well lived......
 
Thought this was touching:

THEY say the best partnership in the world is with two opposites, and you couldn't get two people more opposite than Steve and me.

I was and still am a city slicker. Steve was born to the bush, but somehow together, we worked.
I first met Steve in the Eighties and I remember this bloke in the full khakis, with his name embroidered across his shirt. We met a few times after that and then I went up to the zoo and spent a couple of days with him planning for a commercial he was helping me with, and that was probably when things just clicked between us.

In those couple of days I knew that here was a man who was so much bigger than that four-hectare park his mum and dad had built.

It was in the way he spoke about crocs and snakes, and stuff I've got to admit I had absolutely no interest in. But somehow he pulled you in, pulled you in by his sheer energy and enthusiasm and you just couldn't help but get on the rollercoaster ride. I got on even though everything he loved, I hated. I absolutely hated camping out. There we'd be in these bloody mosquito-infested swamps, and Steve would be jumping around saying 'Isn't this great', and there I'd be Aeroguarded up to the eyeballs. We'd be in exactly the same place, but he'd be in heaven and I'd be in hell.

But you wouldn't swap it for the world and I guess I want to tell the world how great he was. I dont know if I can do it, if I can find the words ... but all those years, all those stories, he never missed a beat. We'd work all night, and then my phone would ring at five oclock in the morning and it would be Steve saying: 'Come on mate, what are we doing, we've got to do this, we've got to do that' and I'd be like: 'Steve, it's five o'clock in the morning and he'd say: 'I know mate, lets go!' And if you went, you'd have the time of your life because even though the work you were doing was serious, there was always time for laughter.

Steve loved a practical joke. He'd try to set me up and I'd set him up.

Once, I got him an absolute beauty. I set up this elaborate hoax where I told him there was this Arabian sheik who wanted to visit the zoo, and who wanted to meet Steve. I said that it was very important it went smoothly because this sheik was a passionate conservationist who might want to donate a great deal of money to conservation in Australia. I hired all these actors to play the roles – the sheik, the translator and various hangers-on – and Steve agreed to meet him. On the day, you should have seen him. He had no idea how to meet this so-called sheik, so there he was bowing and calling him Your Majesty he was completely like a fish out of water.

Then I had the sheik say he wanted to see the camels. Now the two camels at Australia Zoo were Steve's pride and joy. He loved them, really, really loved them.

So I had the sheik say through the translator that he wanted those camels.

Steve was devastated, completely taken aback and he was trying to say that no, unfortunately the sheik couldn't have them and the translator was saying: 'No, the sheik wants those camels, he must have those camels.'

When we finally let him off the hook and let him in on the joke, Steve never forgave me and he never stopped trying to get me back.

We had so many good times like that, but we had tough times too. I guess what made the rougher times easier was that we had each other.

He watched my back, and I watched his. I don't know which was the tougher job, he could be pretty exhausting. We had to look out for each other in different ways. Sometimes the way he had to look out for me was physical, and he literally saved my life a couple of times.

Once I got into a bit of trouble filming komodo dragons in Indonesia. One of them ran at me, really, really ran at me, and Steve just jumped straight in its path, covering me.

He threw my camera to the ground and this dragon just tore into it. That camera could have been me, and it easily could have been Steve because he threw himself in front of it so it couldn't get to me.

I guess the simplest way to describe how we were was that he looked after me in the bush, and I'd look after him in the city.

In the bush sometimes he'd have to shield me against animals that wanted a piece of me, and in the city I tried to shield him against all the people who wanted a piece of him. He didn't mind, he was proud of what he was doing and he believed 100 per cent in what he was doing, but sometimes it came at a price. I guess it was hardest for him in America, where he literally couldn't leave his hotel room.

The rest of us could go out – the crew, the media, whoever was with us – but it was just not possible for Steve.

So he'd stay in the hotel room. It was tough on him because he missed his family, just ached for them. He loved Bindi and Bob and Terri like you wouldn't believe, and I don't believe I've ever seen a better father. I'd be on the phone to him talking about these very important deals and he'd say: 'Sorry mate, I've gotta go, its Bob-Bob time.' I don't know how many times I heard him say: 'Gotta go, Bindi needs me, gotta go, its Bob-Bob's bath time', and if those kids needed him right there, right then, well he'd go, right there, right then.

Steve was utterly in love with his children, utterly in awe of his children, and his children are so much their father's son and daughter.

I don't know about Bob, he's too young, but I know without question that Bindi will carry on her dad's legacy not because there's an expectation on her to but because she wants to. Steve will live on through Terri, through his kids and through his work, and even though reality tells us he's not here himself to do it, I still think that in a way he is. Because, and I know this will sound strange to some people, I think he's still with me. Nothing has really changed. I'm still looking out for him and he's still looking out for me. In the past few days when I've struggled, really struggled to find the right words or make the right decisions, I have felt very strongly that he is with me.

When I have sat and cried, I have felt his hand on my shoulder.

He's still beside me, still giving me a kick up the bum when I need it, just like he always did.

For 15 years we pretty much spent every day together and if we weren't together, we were talking on the phone.

Yet in all those years, there was never a cross word between us.

It was the most amazing friendship I will ever have the privilege to know, a friendship based on complete mutual respect and trust.

When you spend so much time with someone you get to know them pretty well and one thing I would like people to know about Steve, that maybe they don't, is that he was a man of intellect.

His image – that larrikin, happy-go-lucky, rough-and-tumble bloke we all saw on the television – was real, completely fair dinkum, but he was also a deep thinker, a man of great intelligence and a consummate professional.

He taught me a lot but the most important thing he taught me was the power of believing in what you could do.

He gave me the gift of his inner strength and the knowledge that if you believed in what you were doing, you could get through anything.

He made me strong enough to keep doing it now, without him.

In the past few days I've had to do things, say things, plan things I never imagined I would, and bringing my mate home in the helicopter and then the aeroplane was one of them.

People say to me that bringing Steve home to his family must have been the hardest thing I've ever had to do, but it was an absolute privilege.

People say that only I could have made that trip beside him, but that's not true, anyone would have done it in those awful circumstances.

I'm just so honoured that in the rollercoaster we took together over all these years, it was me who rode beside him in the end.



Mates: John Stainton and Steve Irwin at work.
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tiggersmom2 said:
I so agree. Sending out a special thanks to Roger Ramjet for the links he gave.

No worries. The site can be a little hard to navigate sometimes but maybe it's a little adventure for you lot to read about some of our crazy news.
 
Nutsy said:
All this could have been avoided had they not declined the offer of a State Funeral. The public would have been out lining the streets to say their farewell as the hearse went by. The public were promised a memorial service in Brisbane, due to the massive outpouring of grief by the public and the constant vigil of mourners up at the zoo.. people have travelled from far and wide to the zoo since Steve passed away leaving all sorts of tributes.

Wait a minute... This is not an attack Nutsy. But weren't you one of the ones at the start of this thread who agreed that Steve should not have had a state funeral because "he was an ordinary bloke". Didn't you completely disagree with a state funeral?

If I am wrong, I am sorry. But I could have sworn back at the begining of this thread you were totall against the state funeral.
 
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poohandwendy said:
I think everyone should do the one thing I think people would all agree Steve would want...and that is to respect the wishes of his wife and children, during this very, very difficult time.

You may not agree with her, you may think you have a better idea, you may think the publics love for him deserves something...let's remember she is making these decisions within weeks of finding out her soul-mate, her beloved, the father of her young children will NEVER come home. Let's trust that she is doing the very best that she can, under the circumstances.

Let's cut her a break and give her the respect Steve would expect from his fans. The wishes of his wife, kids and family are the number #1 priority and always trump the needs of the public. Period.

Very well said!!!
 
lclark0621 said:
Wait a minute... This is not an attack Nutsy. But weren't you one of the ones at the start of this thread who agreed that Steve should not have had a state funeral because "he was an ordinary bloke". Didn't you completely disagree with a state funeral?

If I am wrong, I am sorry. But I could have sworn back at the begining of this thread you were totall against the state funeral.

What I would most likely have said was something along the lines of Steve deserved a State Funeral, and yes I agreed that Steve was a fair dinkum, down to earth Aussie bloke who would not have wanted that. His fathers words were something to the effect of he was a very humble guy and being so he wouldn't want all the fuss and bother of a state funeral.

Yes, he definately deserved it, but it was the decision of the family and they declined and I never once said I never respected them for that decision. It would have been a mighty hard to one to make. Whereas some familes would jump at the chance to send their loved one off that way. But it took a heck of a lot of courage to decline the offer and keep it all hush hush.

I have never once said that I disrepect anyone. Whatever I posted here is what was in the news over here and the general feelings of the public.

Why some of you have chosen to take what is said as flaming Terri is beyond me.. we all have our opinions and maybe if an open mind was kept and what was said was accepted for what it is.. comments from the media and general public.

Yes, there are a lot of disappointed people who won't be albe to attend the memorial and yes the carpark is too small and yes there is going to be an awful lot of traffic on the road tomorrow morining.. but... this is not just about Terri it's about the effect what is happening tomorow morning is going to have on those who live in the area. Being asked to stay off the road, find an alternate route... well that's not always an easy thing to do.... not if you know where some of these folk live. But anyway.... go ahead and flame me again.... I'm past caring anymore...you can think what you want and say what you want.. you can curse and swear and call me all sorts of colourful names.. I really dont' care anymore.

That's what you get for being honest these days.


ETA.... I wish now I'd not posted any news on here at all and I think next time something big happens over here I'll keep right out of ita and let you find your own source of info. cos it sure won't be coming from me.
 
Spare seat for Steve at memorial
September 19, 2006 01:39pm

A SPARE seat will be left beside Steve Irwin's widow and children tomorrow, as a special way to remember the Crocodile Hunter during his memorial service.

Irwin's manager and long-time friend John Stainton has refused to reveal too many details about the service, but he has confirmed there will be a spare seat for Irwin beside his wife Terri and their children, Bindi and Bob.

"There will be one seat alongside of the family for Steve because he loved the Crocoseum, he built it," Mr Stainton said.

"His Australia Zoo cap that he always wore watching all the shows with his daughter will be on the seat."

An estimated 5000 people are expected to attend tomnorrow's service at his beloved Australia Zoo on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.

Millions more are expected to watch the service as it is telecast live around the world.

Mr Stainton said there would be a visual tribute to Mr Irwin, with footage of his exploits shown throughout the service.

"It is sad and I think anybody that sees it is going to find it (hard).

"I've tried to lift it and have highlights and funny moments in it, but it's really sad when you see him."

Mr Stainton has said it is still uncertain whether Mrs Irwin, Bindi or Irwin's father Bob will speak at the memorial.

"There's no pressure," he said.

"Everyone has said they could do something, but I think on the day when it sort of starts and rolls out the family may have a problem with it because there are emotions there that they haven't seen for a while."

Guests at the zoo's Crocoseum will include Prime Minister John Howard, Queensland Premier Peter Beattie and several celebrities.

Irwin died after being fatally pierced in the heart by a stingray barb on September 4 while diving on the Great Barrier Reef.

'Stay at home'

Children should be in the company of their parents at home, not at school, when watching the memorial, a media researcher said today.

Queensland University of Technology associate lecturer in journalism Susan Hetherington urged parents to be involved in helping their children deal with the death of the Crocodile Hunter.

"The lesson that death is a part of life, which children need to learn, but how they learn that is something that I think is a parental responsibility,'' she said.

Potentially hundreds of thousands of children around Australia could watch the memorial.

Education Queensland said individual schools, in consultation with the school community, would decide whether students should watch the memorial service live.

The NSW Education Department said permission notes would be required before schools allowed primary school children to watch the service.

Ms Hetherington, who researches children's relationships with the media, said children could view the service at home later rather than watch it at school.

"It's not something like the Melbourne Cup that if you miss the moment it's gone forever - it's being replayed later that day or you can tape it, she said.

"So if you want your children to see it I think it would be quite appropriate for parents to sit down and watch it with them.''

Ms Hetherington said for small children the emotion surrounding the event and footage of Irwin would be confusing.

"The whole idea of Steve Irwin being dead ... and then they keep seeing him and then this terrible outpouring of grief is something that can be hard to understand,'' she said.

"It's not that they shouldn't see it but it's how they are exposed to it which is the important thing.''

In the past two weeks, children in schools around Australia have paid their respects to Irwin, designing and making cards, signs and floral tributes and having their own memorial services.

Education Queensland has also established a dedicated area on its departmental website where students can remember Irwin.
 
For anyone who doesn't get Animal Planet, here are links to some of the clips they are airing in memory of Steve:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmdrs0yaJfU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aihs0pM9Rgg

And I found this one that someone put together from clips of yesterday's marathon- made me cry like a baby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45uQLtFaPyU

I really wish we could drop the subject of if what Steve's family has chosen to do is right or wrong, and instead put our efforts towards something more positive. Maybe share what you learned from him, or what you're doing to see that his work continues?
 
Irwin charity braces for donations
September 19, 2006 01:09pm


A CALL centre will be set up tomorrow to enable supporters to donate to Steve Irwin's conservation charity Wildlife Warriors.

A memorial service will be held for him tomorrow at Australia Zoo's Crocoseum on the Sunshine Coast and will be broadcast live across Australia and overseas.

Irwin, 44, died on September 4 when a stingray's barb pierced his chest while he was diving on the Great Barrier Reef.

Wildlife Warriors executive manager Michael Hornby said since the Crocodile Hunter's death more than 35,000 people around the world have offered to support the conservation group.

But thousands of people have found it difficult to get through to the charity due to the high demand.

"It has always been Steve's dream to engage more people in the protection and conservation of wildlife, it is now becoming a reality, but sadly he will never see that," Mr Hornby said today.

"We wanted now to provide an easier way for people who are moved by his memorial to become involved and be a Wildlife Warrior like Steve."

The Wildlife Warrior call centre will operate from 6am (AEST) tomorrow and also on Thursday. The phone number is 1800 33 43 50.
 















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