Steps in relationships, when to move to another level?

Yes, I have gone out of my way to make both of them like me. It would be really bad if I didn't. I do not have children of my own, so I have really felt like they will be the closest thing I will have. I know I am not a replacement for their mother, however I DO want them to love me, and at least think of me as mother figure. I love it when come to me for things, I want to be somebody that they trust and love back. So yes, it is easy to get wrapped around somebody's finger when you have tried as hard as I have.

oh please, just STOP. You've been dating their father for six months. They are NOT going to think of you as a mother figure and love you and trust you, and at this point, they should barely know you. You barely know their dad.
 
I feel as if everything I say only makes me look worse. I am just trying to explain what I feel.

I guess my thought process was "things will get better". It has been "as soon as..." it will all be OK. As soon as we get this stuff settled... it will all be good, as soon as this kid straightens up... it will all be good. Which, if this stuff has been going on for that many years, it is unlikely that will happen. It is like I didn't want to bail out of this so close to things getting better, but I am beginning to think it is like dangling a carrot in front of a horse or something. That wonderful endpoint where everybody lives happily ever after with him is some hopeless thing I seem to be chasing and will not catch.

I also feel that I have a lot invested in this relationship. The thought of scrapping all of that just devastates me. I feel as if I have learned a lot, made new friends and improved as a person because of him. The thought of trying to rebuild with somebody else overwhelms me. I just don't know if I have the strength to do it.

Yes I DO love him. I really hate the thought of hurting him, I really and truly do not want to hurt him.


I am not saying those thoughts are rational or anything, but that's how I feel. On an intellectual level, I can see why anybody with any sense at all would already be gone. I suppose that therapy is about the only thing that will unlock the reasons why I am SOOOOO emotionally attached. I do not know why I am like this, I just know that I am.
 
Ok really....we need to all step away from this thread. Where is the "lock" emoji??? ;)
 

I am not saying I am right about things. I am not saying others are wrong. I definitely realize that I have some huge issues that need to be resolved. I am not trying to be argumentative at all.
 
I am not saying I am right about things. I am not saying others are wrong. I definitely realize that I have some huge issues that need to be resolved. I am not trying to be argumentative at all.

Kathryn, if you are waiting for things to get better in your relationship you will be waiting forever. The only sure thing is what is going on right now. People rarely change. Their family dynamics have been going on for years, so they are not likely to ever change. The most realistic thing you can do is accept that things are the way they are in this relationship. If it makes you happy, great. If not, then better to get out now while you are free and still young. Sometimes letting go is not losing, it's winning and moving on to better things.
 
Many posters are satisfying their Ann Landers/Dear Abby inner child and are enjoying this as much as the OP.
They're wasting their time then.

OP just wants some attention and has 16 pages of it, so far. It also hasn't escaped my notice that there was an attempt to seek more attention on two other threads, unrelated to the OPs woes.

To the OP, if all this is true then back off from the children right now. As a sole parent nothing infuriates me more than random women coming into my kids life and throwing their weight around. You get that privilege MUCH later. You will end up damaging the kids for your own self gratification.
 
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They're wasting their time then.

OP just wants some attention and has 16 pages of it, so far. It also hasn't escaped my notice that there was an attempt to seek more attention on two other threads, unrelated to the OPs woes.

To the OP, if all this is true then back off from the children right now. As a sole parent nothing infuriates me more than random women coming into my kids life and throwing their weight around. You get that privilege MUCH later. You will end up damaging the kids for your own self gratification.

Well of course they're wasting their time. Still, they come back for more, again and again and again.

I can't imagine taking any of this personally, otherwise the joke would be on me.
 
I feel as if everything I say only makes me look worse. I am just trying to explain what I feel.

I guess my thought process was "things will get better". It has been "as soon as..." it will all be OK. As soon as we get this stuff settled... it will all be good, as soon as this kid straightens up... it will all be good. Which, if this stuff has been going on for that many years, it is unlikely that will happen. It is like I didn't want to bail out of this so close to things getting better, but I am beginning to think it is like dangling a carrot in front of a horse or something. That wonderful endpoint where everybody lives happily ever after with him is some hopeless thing I seem to be chasing and will not catch.

I also feel that I have a lot invested in this relationship. The thought of scrapping all of that just devastates me. I feel as if I have learned a lot, made new friends and improved as a person because of him. The thought of trying to rebuild with somebody else overwhelms me. I just don't know if I have the strength to do it.

Yes I DO love him. I really hate the thought of hurting him, I really and truly do not want to hurt him.


I am not saying those thoughts are rational or anything, but that's how I feel. On an intellectual level, I can see why anybody with any sense at all would already be gone. I suppose that therapy is about the only thing that will unlock the reasons why I am SOOOOO emotionally attached. I do not know why I am like this, I just know that I am.

The fact of the matter is that you have invested a lot of time in a FAKE relationship. You aren't being honest with him. You don't want to give him your opinions, tell him when you are upset/angry, or come forth when any negative side. You are not being honest about who you are.

Furthermore, you're too afraid to get to know the real man. You make excuses and apology for this guy but you don't want to know why he divorced. You want to blame everything on his ex. It takes two people to argue fight and carry on. He is tangled deep in it.

You've invested lots of time in a facebook relationship and pictures in your office. You need to take all that time and invest in yourself. Take some time to learn about yourself and your wants and needs and thoughts that has nothing to do with men. Don't be propped up by someone because you only fall harder every time that person moves. Stand on your own. You're already flipping out at doing another relationship. That speaks volumes about everything you find worthy in life and it's not yourself.
 
I also feel that I have a lot invested in this relationship. The thought of scrapping all of that just devastates me. I feel as if I have learned a lot, made new friends and improved as a person because of him. The thought of trying to rebuild with somebody else overwhelms me. I just don't know if I have the strength to do it.

"Don't continue making a mistake just because you've already spent a lot of time making it."
 
I also feel that I have a lot invested in this relationship. The thought of scrapping all of that just devastates me. I feel as if I have learned a lot, made new friends and improved as a person because of him. The thought of trying to rebuild with somebody else overwhelms me. I just don't know if I have the strength to do it.

You sound like you've been married to him for twenty years: "have a lot invested," "trying to rebuild with somebody else," "don't know if I have the strength to do it."

This is a relationship that's only a few months old. To use an old cliche, I have stuff in my fridge that's older than this relationship. You barely know each other - you've actively resisted letting him get to know the real you, and you don't want to know the real him (for example, why he got divorced). What is invested? What is there to rebuild? You've intentionally kept things very superficial between you. You want the trappings of a relationship - a Facebook status, photos you can hang in your office. You want to be able to tell people you have a boyfriend/husband, that you have stepchildren who love you. And you want all of that right this minute. But you haven't invested the time or emotional work it takes to have a real relationship.

I don't think you're really attached to him, personally. I think you're attached to the fantasy that he represents: the man who'll sweep you off your feet and give you a perfect life.
 
You sound like you've been married to him for twenty years: "have a lot invested," "trying to rebuild with somebody else," "don't know if I have the strength to do it."

This is a relationship that's only a few months old. To use an old cliche, I have stuff in my fridge that's older than this relationship. You barely know each other - you've actively resisted letting him get to know the real you, and you don't want to know the real him (for example, why he got divorced). What is invested? What is there to rebuild? You've intentionally kept things very superficial between you. You want the trappings of a relationship - a Facebook status, photos you can hang in your office. You want to be able to tell people you have a boyfriend/husband, that you have stepchildren who love you. And you want all of that right this minute. But you haven't invested the time or emotional work it takes to have a real relationship.

I don't think you're really attached to him, personally. I think you're attached to the fantasy that he represents: the man who'll sweep you off your feet and give you a perfect life.

I think you gave a very accurate summary.

When I say I don't know if I have the strength to do it again and I have a lot invested... it might not be a lot of actual time invested but the emotional investment is staggering. In the beginning I went absolutely nuts. I couldn't control myself, I went all stalker-ish.I was having panic attacks if he took too long to respond to a text. Honestly I made a complete idiot of myself. It scares me to even think of going through that turmoil again. I am still emotionally exhausted from this relationship, at least the early part when I was SOOOOO insecure. I did so much Facebook stalking... yes I dug through several years worth of postings. I know of 4 others that I found through Facebook digging.I found posts and pictures he either didn't care enough to delete or didn't know still existed. It seemed that those relationships lasted 3-4 months. I thought in my mind if we can pass the 4 month mark, it will all be this "happily ever after" thing. I dug my heels in and was determined to make this thing last longer than anybody before me. I suspect there's at least one more besides the 4 I know about because he accidentally called me "Karen" once... it's like I don't know anybody named Karen, but I did hear one of the kids say something about a Karen before. I just know there has to be something to it. So long story short... I feel as if I have used up my emotions already. I barely participate on Facebook anymore because I want all posts to be about "us".

Yes I am definitely attached to the fantasy he represents, but I also DO love him. It is plain to see that yes, this is a very unstable relationship.

You are right... he does not know very much about the real me. I have withheld some tidbits that might be pertinent. He doesn't know I have been married twice before, just the once. I really feel as if he would not like that about me if he knew. He knows very little about my interests because I don't talk much about that around him because I fear talking too much about myself would make me seem annoying. I know very little about him, or his past. I don't even know his favorite color or band, I know nothing. I would LIKE to know this kind of stuff about him, but he is not that interested in talking about that, he is more interested in other stuff.

Yes I suppose what I wanted when this all began was somebody to be very public with me. I was dying to have that Facebook status of "in a relationship with". I wanted to hang up the pictures of us and the family. I wanted it all, and I wanted it quickly. I love the attention I get on Facebook, people are like so glad to see me happy, cause I can put on a smile now. I wanted to be able to talk with people and be able to start sentences with "My boyfriend blah blah..."
 
If his old relationships are still visible on Facebook, yours can be too. Leave the Facebook stand and don't deal with the actual relationship issues and walk away. That leaves you with what you wanted out of the relationship without the fuss.
 
I think you gave a very accurate summary.

When I say I don't know if I have the strength to do it again and I have a lot invested... it might not be a lot of actual time invested but the emotional investment is staggering. In the beginning I went absolutely nuts. I couldn't control myself, I went all stalker-ish.I was having panic attacks if he took too long to respond to a text. Honestly I made a complete idiot of myself. It scares me to even think of going through that turmoil again. I am still emotionally exhausted from this relationship, at least the early part when I was SOOOOO insecure. I did so much Facebook stalking... yes I dug through several years worth of postings. I know of 4 others that I found through Facebook digging.I found posts and pictures he either didn't care enough to delete or didn't know still existed. It seemed that those relationships lasted 3-4 months. I thought in my mind if we can pass the 4 month mark, it will all be this "happily ever after" thing. I dug my heels in and was determined to make this thing last longer than anybody before me. I suspect there's at least one more besides the 4 I know about because he accidentally called me "Karen" once... it's like I don't know anybody named Karen, but I did hear one of the kids say something about a Karen before. I just know there has to be something to it. So long story short... I feel as if I have used up my emotions already. I barely participate on Facebook anymore because I want all posts to be about "us".

Yes I am definitely attached to the fantasy he represents, but I also DO love him. It is plain to see that yes, this is a very unstable relationship.

You are right... he does not know very much about the real me. I have withheld some tidbits that might be pertinent. He doesn't know I have been married twice before, just the once. I really feel as if he would not like that about me if he knew. He knows very little about my interests because I don't talk much about that around him because I fear talking too much about myself would make me seem annoying. I know very little about him, or his past. I don't even know his favorite color or band, I know nothing. I would LIKE to know this kind of stuff about him, but he is not that interested in talking about that, he is more interested in other stuff.

Yes I suppose what I wanted when this all began was somebody to be very public with me. I was dying to have that Facebook status of "in a relationship with". I wanted to hang up the pictures of us and the family. I wanted it all, and I wanted it quickly. I love the attention I get on Facebook, people are like so glad to see me happy, cause I can put on a smile now. I wanted to be able to talk with people and be able to start sentences with "My boyfriend blah blah..."

Oh please, FB friends are just going along with you. YOu are both lying to each other about very important areas of your lives. What makes you think those FB friends are honest with you in regards to their posts or responses. They are not. I told you, I work with one like you.....and I have neither the time nor the energy to indulge her daily rants about her husband when he is a jerk, or her ecstatic giddiness if he pays her the least amount of attentions. I almost gagged yesterday when he came to lunch in the office and she almost sang "I love youuuuuuuu" as he was leaving. She is more invested in pacifying him than she is in caring for her kids or keeping her job....our employer just hired another full time accountant......get the picture? I did nto even waste my time telling her to shape up, although my coworker did. In very clear terms she told her to think long and hard everytime she puts her DH ridiculous ultimatums over her responsibilities in our office because by April 15 the workload will be drastically reduced if we have a full time accountant picking up all the slack. IF someone needs to go, it will not be the one who is pulling weight.

The reason your BF is not interested in discussing important aspects of his life is the same reason you refuse to be honest. Neither one of you has a past that speaks well of your decisions or your personalities. To double your fun, you have brought children into this cluster you call a relationship. I am having trouble expressing how I feel about that because I would get points, but suffice it to say that the fact you and your BF have introduced kids into this mess is more telling about you and him than anything else, and I find it shameful.

Children have no voice in the decisions their parents make, but they always pay the price if those decisions are horrific. The two of you have decided that your narcissistic needs trumps those of innocent children and you both then blame those children for any issues that occur. My God, at first I was going to suggest you get a dog or a cat, but I would not even trust your judgement to care for an innocent animal long term. YOu are not even strong enough to put those children first, a poor animal would not survive.

I am going to be blunt. All the people here who have tried so hard to be kind, be objective and to help you figure out what to do are just props in your dream world. You say your friends are supportive? Really? If they really were happy for you, supported this nonsense, and provided the outlet you want for your conversations, you would not be here, adding more and more little morsels to the story. They are done. Your FB friends are done. Your relationship with your new BF is a farce, and one you perpetuate with every lie you tell and evey lie you accept. If you want to continue on this path go for it, but own that you do so by not only dragging yourself through this nightmare you call love, but by destroying all the innocent people who have no choice but to be dragged along with you.
If you want or need proof that your coworkers and acquaintances are just mouthing platitudes, ask them to join the two of you for dinner, a movie, an evening out anywhere. IF any of these people agree, I will eat my shoe.

If you really want ot make a change in your life go to a therapist. If all you want is to create drama in your life, then do that, but for the love of all that is Holy, at least be honest about the havoc you wreak. Be honest that you not only crave and thrive on being miserable, you create the circumstances that allow for that.
 
I'll say this and then I'm checking out:

I think you need individual therapy DESPERATELY. Kathryn, you seem to be very emotionally stunted, to that of a young teen. You really sound like a very young girl who has incredibly little self-esteem. It's really really hard for me to believe you are the age you say you are. It's also hard to believe that you made it through at least two relationships without growth.

If you don't want to break up with your boyfriend, don't break up with him, but you absolutely need to tell him about your second marriage ASAP AND if there is any kind of hope for this relationship to succeed, you need individual AND couple's therapy.

That's all. I'm done.
 
I think you gave a very accurate summary.

When I say I don't know if I have the strength to do it again and I have a lot invested... it might not be a lot of actual time invested but the emotional investment is staggering. In the beginning I went absolutely nuts. I couldn't control myself, I went all stalker-ish.I was having panic attacks if he took too long to respond to a text. Honestly I made a complete idiot of myself. It scares me to even think of going through that turmoil again. I am still emotionally exhausted from this relationship, at least the early part when I was SOOOOO insecure. I did so much Facebook stalking... yes I dug through several years worth of postings. I know of 4 others that I found through Facebook digging.I found posts and pictures he either didn't care enough to delete or didn't know still existed. It seemed that those relationships lasted 3-4 months. I thought in my mind if we can pass the 4 month mark, it will all be this "happily ever after" thing. I dug my heels in and was determined to make this thing last longer than anybody before me. I suspect there's at least one more besides the 4 I know about because he accidentally called me "Karen" once... it's like I don't know anybody named Karen, but I did hear one of the kids say something about a Karen before. I just know there has to be something to it. So long story short... I feel as if I have used up my emotions already. I barely participate on Facebook anymore because I want all posts to be about "us".

Yes I am definitely attached to the fantasy he represents, but I also DO love him. It is plain to see that yes, this is a very unstable relationship.

You are right... he does not know very much about the real me. I have withheld some tidbits that might be pertinent. He doesn't know I have been married twice before, just the once. I really feel as if he would not like that about me if he knew. He knows very little about my interests because I don't talk much about that around him because I fear talking too much about myself would make me seem annoying. I know very little about him, or his past. I don't even know his favorite color or band, I know nothing. I would LIKE to know this kind of stuff about him, but he is not that interested in talking about that, he is more interested in other stuff.

Yes I suppose what I wanted when this all began was somebody to be very public with me. I was dying to have that Facebook status of "in a relationship with". I wanted to hang up the pictures of us and the family. I wanted it all, and I wanted it quickly. I love the attention I get on Facebook, people are like so glad to see me happy, cause I can put on a smile now. I wanted to be able to talk with people and be able to start sentences with "My boyfriend blah blah..."

OP, get some help, you really need it.
 
This relationship is doomed.

Every relationship you have is doomed until you seek the therapy you so desperately need.
 
OP, get some help, you really need it.

This relationship is doomed.

Every relationship you have is doomed until you seek the therapy you so desperately need.

Every single response in this thread should be replaced with these two posts. Every single one. Never mind anything else, just these two, on repeat.
 













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